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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17438 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-05-03 16:44:59
May 03 2024 15:55 GMT
#101
On May 04 2024 00:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Do it now....

https://id.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/id/create_account_ca/#/create_account/wizard/entrance?entry=create_account

Sony is blocked on the network i'm on.
Furthermore, I won't be online in the last week of May and first week of June.
Current Steam players will receive mandatory login prompts starting on May 30, and they must link their Steam account to their PSN account before June 4.

its not that big of a deal. if i lose my account... meh. its just a video game. it was fun though.
On May 03 2024 23:57 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: The agreement has also been in writing on Steam but the server issues pushed it back. Xbox, EA etc. all have the same agreements when it comes to their games.

I do not have to have a PSN account to play the Sony published game "Fire Pro Wrestling World" on Steam. And as we all know.. that is an awesome multiplayer game.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1923 Posts
May 04 2024 07:20 GMT
#102
On May 04 2024 00:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Do it now....

https://id.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/id/create_account_ca/#/create_account/wizard/entrance?entry=create_account


No. Refund request it is.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 04 2024 15:01 GMT
#103
Update from Arrowhead.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17438 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-05-04 16:05:25
May 04 2024 16:03 GMT
#104
So Sony and Arrowhead took money from people in countries without PSN. They knew those people could not continue playing HD2 due to the upcoming change of the network conditions. Yet, they had nothing in place for them when tehy dropped the hammer.

Ironically, Sony claims they are protecting humanity by monitoring their PS Network.

If I were stuck in a retro arcade with a bunch of really cool old school arcade games with someone else....I'd rather be stuck in the arcade with a Bear than a SOny Exec.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9572 Posts
May 04 2024 17:32 GMT
#105
On May 04 2024 16:20 Creager wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2024 00:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Do it now....

https://id.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/id/create_account_ca/#/create_account/wizard/entrance?entry=create_account


No. Refund request it is.


Mine got denied because the purchase was over 14 days ago...
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/user/LathamTK/builds/#view=CrqmP6
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17438 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-05-05 00:33:02
May 04 2024 22:07 GMT
#106
If you live in the Ukraine you must buy a PS4 or PS5 in order to register for a PSN account. So although the Ukraine is technically a country that has PSN access you have to buy the Sony hardware to play Helldivers2 on Steam. LOLOL

blah blah blah blah...
"It's because the decision is not ours. Nothing to with bad customer support. We don't know," said Thomas "Twinbeard" Petersson, one of Arrowhead's community managers, in reply to someone in the official Helldivers Discord server criticizing the developer's lack of a clear answer for region-locking concerns. "You can always ask Sony, but until the[y] offer us a more detailed response, we'll reply to the best of our ability with the limited info we have. Should there have been a FAQ? Yes." The original announcement post was also written entirely by the publisher.

https://www.gamesradar.com/games/third-person-shooter/helldivers-2-devs-remind-players-its-sonys-decision-not-ours-amid-psn-backlash-we-always-knew-this-day-would-get-here-and-its-going-about-how-i-expected/

Get ready for some more "We miscommunicated on this one ... sry guys".

They're fucking with people's money. Standard scummy anti-consumer practices the video game industry has been doing since 1979.
On May 05 2024 02:32 Latham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2024 16:20 Creager wrote:
On May 04 2024 00:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Do it now....

https://id.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/id/create_account_ca/#/create_account/wizard/entrance?entry=create_account


No. Refund request it is.


Mine got denied because the purchase was over 14 days ago...

perhaps try something like this...
[image loading]


It prolly also helps if you've never refunded a game in the past. I've refunded 1 game and then I repurchased the game once the issue was resolved. So my refund history won't hinder my attempt if I do so.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1923 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-05-05 08:14:19
May 05 2024 08:03 GMT
#107
On May 05 2024 02:32 Latham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2024 16:20 Creager wrote:
On May 04 2024 00:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Do it now....

https://id.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/id/create_account_ca/#/create_account/wizard/entrance?entry=create_account


No. Refund request it is.


Mine got denied because the purchase was over 14 days ago...


Also have gotten denied 4 times since the news transpired on Friday due to 90h playtime, but gotta keep trying, as apparently for some people that also wouldn't normally qualify it was refunded.

To some extent I feel bad because the game itself is awesome and I had so much fun with it, but that alone doesn't suffice in today's market and I'm just fed up with being treated like a moron as customer, so I also like seeing some pushback from players to dumb-af exec decisions like this which could've been avoided SO. GOD DAMN. EASILY. by either just sitting back and being hands-off or offering some incentive for people to play along (hand out some (cosmetic) reward for creating/linking PSN).

Only thing Sony ensured is that I will try to avoid buying any of their product like the plague from now on.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17438 Posts
May 05 2024 14:59 GMT
#108
This is the quote of the thread right here. I called this shit a month ago.
On April 06 2024 03:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
This game continues to be silly, stupid, idiotic, great fun!
At this point... I've gotten my money's worth.

Its on a proprietary server... so i look at it like i just handed Sony $60X4 = 240 Quarters and I'm playing on an Arcade Cabinet at the local BIlliard/Snooker Hall. One day, the big company will come along and remove the arcade cabinet.


The Arcade Cabinet is being removed. I'll move on to other games.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9572 Posts
May 05 2024 16:51 GMT
#109
I find it ironic how Sony tried to argue at the FTC that Microsoft buying Acti-Blizz would somehow threaten their entire existence because they would lose access to Call of Duty after 5? or 10? years because they don't have their own successful multiplayer shooter, THEN they pull this shit.
You literally had a goose laying golden eggs. You had a successful multiplayer game and then you decided to smother it with a pillow in its sleep for no goddamn good reason. You pissed away any good will you had on PC.
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/user/LathamTK/builds/#view=CrqmP6
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1923 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-05-05 19:48:18
May 05 2024 19:45 GMT
#110
Everybody sucks here unfortunately, first and foremost I hope that there will be an acceptable solution for people from countries without direct PSN access, as those guys legitimately got screwed big time by this, for the rest of us this might end up with us paying for another lesson in 'how to get f***ed', but on a positive note at least a portion of people are slowly starting to grow weary of this 3rd party account and game launcher idiocy and push back a little.

Best outcome of this would be Steam just disallowing this 3rd party account practice altogether, although this is quite unrealistic, of course.

Still regrettable that it had to be this game, but Sony just lost this game of hot potato and it's really important that companies get a little reality check from time to time, even if it's short lived to at least tone down the probing for weaknesses in their attempts to erode consumer rights and gain more control for some time.

They will try again, they always do.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17438 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-05-05 22:03:26
May 05 2024 22:01 GMT
#111
Sony changed their web site and the EULA after the fact. LOL. So amongst teh FAQ, EULA/ToS, Sony Web site, and Steam page only a small note on the Steam page indicated a 3rd party sign up in mandatory. All other sources stated a 3rd party sign up is not required.

Sony has had 6 consumer data breaches in a little over 10 years. Sony states they are trying to "protect us".

Regarding Arrowhead and their CMs and their CMs idiotic messaging recently and years ago...

Do not fall for this "we are creative visionaries who make fun games .... Sony calls the shots..we're the good guys". Its a bunch of BS. Arrowhead Games took Sony's money when they handed over the Helldivers IP. Arrowhead Games CASHED OUT. When they cashed out they surrendered their creative autonomy for money. Arrowhead Games by definition is all about the money.

Spitz trying to play the "good cop" doesn't fly. His first instinct is to take dumb uninformed cheap shots at the player base. He explained it away with some emo BS. If he can not handle the pressure of bad situations that all CMs absorb then he needs to find another line of work. CMs are target dummies the corpos throw in front of the player base to deflect incoming fire from angry players. Always have been... always will be.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
May 06 2024 00:58 GMT
#112
Arrowhead are also the ones who chose to put a rootkit with security issues into a single player / co-op game.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17438 Posts
May 06 2024 05:21 GMT
#113
Sony has backed off of adding the PSN account linking requirement on May 6. They are weighing their options.


I wonder if the decision to remove the buy option in countries without PSN access will be reversed?
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7142 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-05-06 09:24:55
May 06 2024 09:23 GMT
#114
Ghost of Tsushima will release in a week on steam and had the same requirement (PSN acc) They scratched that as well apparently. Maybe Sony learned something after all.

Edit: Curious to see if the PC playerbase learned something, too and doesn't touch it with a 10ft pole
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-05-06 11:32:27
May 06 2024 11:19 GMT
#115
On May 06 2024 18:23 Harris1st wrote:
Edit: Curious to see if the PC playerbase learned something, too and doesn't touch it with a 10ft pole


Unlikely
The player count barely dipped even with the massive number of negative reviews and social media outcry
Now that Sony turned back on that, the whole thing will be forgotten in days for Helldivers 2, let alone any other game, especially a well-known/acclaimed one

And the game itself is still amazing, with more incoming content, so more people will be brought it

As a funny outro to this whole drama, though, Arrowhead's CEO tweeted about turning the negative reviews graph into an in-game cosmetic
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17438 Posts
May 06 2024 13:06 GMT
#116
The people who have learned something won't be vocal about it. Their actions will speak louder than their words.

The MODs got into their feels during this thing. LOL. Its just a silly, stupid, for idiotic-fun video game and these weirdos somehow think it and they are important.



Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1923 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-05-06 14:57:19
May 06 2024 14:56 GMT
#117
On May 06 2024 18:23 Harris1st wrote:
Ghost of Tsushima will release in a week on steam and had the same requirement (PSN acc) They scratched that as well apparently. Maybe Sony learned something after all.

Edit: Curious to see if the PC playerbase learned something, too and doesn't touch it with a 10ft pole


I've checked the store page on Steam just now and like with Helldivers 2 they apparently did not update anything, yet or it's just in the process of being propagated, do you have any other source of information for this? Last thing I've heard was that they've planned on having the requirement solely for the multiplayer portion of the game, while leaving the singleplayer optional.

Anyway, as insignificant this pushback might be in the grand scheme of things when it comes to how corporations are literally flipping the finger to customers, this at least has an immediate positive effect on people's ability to play and enjoy the game they purchased without any additional strings attached (at least for now, that is).


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Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7142 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-05-07 09:55:07
May 07 2024 09:54 GMT
#118
Here is the post from Sucker Punch Production

https://x.com/SuckerPunchProd/status/1786462939748384943

Just so you are aware, A PSN account is required for Legends online multiplayer mode and to use PlayStation overlay. It is not required to play the singleplayer game.

Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-05-12 21:48:45
May 11 2024 01:28 GMT
#119
On May 07 2024 18:54 Harris1st wrote:
Here is the post from Sucker Punch Production

https://x.com/SuckerPunchProd/status/1786462939748384943

Show nested quote +
Just so you are aware, A PSN account is required for Legends online multiplayer mode and to use PlayStation overlay. It is not required to play the singleplayer game.



Helldivers 2 just banned some more countries from buying the game, they're up to 170 now. Ghosts has followed.

The only reason that i can really imagine for that is Sony planning on enforcing PSN again later, because that blacklist was added due to PSN not being legal in those specific countries.

edit: Confirmed that Sony added and updated it https://www.eurogamer.net/helldivers-2-was-delisted-by-sony-not-steam-valve-rep-says
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7142 Posts
May 13 2024 11:25 GMT
#120
Sony gotta lose shittons of money becaus of this. I love it
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
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