Overwatch 2 PvE scrapped - Page 2

ZeroByte13

765 Posts

May 22 2023 18:58 GMT

#21

What do you mean "reversed"?
By Blizzard's own words 80% of SC2 players played campaign first and foremost, then coop when it was released.
Only 20% played MP at all, and I'd guess only fraction of them played it a lot.

I.e. SC2 is the game where 80% of sales came from SP players.

I personally know 7-8 people who played and loved SC2 campaign(s).
None of them ever touched MP or ever thought about it. MP-players are a very vocal minority.

NewSunshine

United States5938 Posts

May 22 2023 19:25 GMT

#22

Look, I'm not here to litigate the exact number of people who primarily play this or that in SC2. This forum is dedicated to StarCraft as an esport, StarCraft's primary reputation is as an esport. The vast majority of Blizzard's post-launch work for SC2 was geared toward multiplayer. If you walk into a group of people who play Blizzard games and mention StarCraft, they're going to think of the multiplayer and how competitive the game is and how it's the first esport. Mention Diablo and people think of a fantastic single-player looting ARPG experience. Maybe you play it in groups but it's still the same thing you were playing by yourself, it still exists off the scaffolding of the single-player.

I'm not spending any extra time on that. That aside, you make my point that StarCraft succeeded the way it did because all kinds of people each found different things they enjoyed about it. Insofar as Diablo has different modes to enjoy, different players will end up gravitating to different things. It's totally legit to be focused on PvP if that's your bliss.

All that now said, fuck Blizzard. That's obligatory. I'm already sworn off them, but I loved Overwatch, and was initially excited like so many others for what OW2 was going to bring. It justified the "2" by promising so far undelivered content as far as story and missions and single-player, by fleshing out the threadbare lore and giving people something to chew on. What makes it Overwatch 2 now? Battlepasses?

I can't say I'm surprised that this is how it turned out, given the backlash they earned and that actions have consequences, but it really drives home that Blizzard's misconduct as a company is serious business when they have to backtrack on the fundamental promise of one of their biggest and only new games in development. They've been riding from one BlizzCon to the next off the back of OW2 and D4 being their 2 huge rallying flags, and they just set fire to one of them.

ZeroByte13

765 Posts

May 22 2023 19:42 GMT

#23

On May 23 2023 04:25 NewSunshine wrote:
If you walk into a group of people who play Blizzard games and mention StarCraft, they're going to think of the multiplayer and how competitive the game is and how it's the first esport.

I'm a member of many SC-related discords and forums with a lot of people.
And there's like 3-5% of people who mention MP at all, and maybe 0.5% who mention e-sports.
They all talk about campaigns, coop, custom content / arcade, etc.

If you go to MP-centric forum like TL, of course you'll think that most people know about the game as MP / e-sport.
Go to any non-MP-centric place and you might never hear about it.

But yeah, there's no sense in arguing about it, so let's not.

Harris1st

Germany6929 Posts

May 23 2023 08:43 GMT

#24

Since we are doing personal experience, I can second what ZeroByte mentioned. Most people who played Starcraft longer (than the campaign) are playing Arcade and Coop. It's less stressful and used to wind down after a long day at work, while laddering is anxiety at it's finest

Laurens

Belgium4542 Posts

May 23 2023 11:28 GMT

#25

I'll just chime in and say that I don't know a single person who played SC2 and didn't play multiplayer.
Different circles I guess.

ZeroByte13

765 Posts

May 23 2023 12:34 GMT

#26

The main thing here is that Blizzard spent so much effort and money on campaigns exactly because they knew how important it is for majority of players.

It wasn't an afterthought, i.e. SC2 isn't a primarily MP game with attached SP.
For (officially) 80% of players it's a SP / coop / arcade game with attached MP.
I'd guess before 2016 Blizzard did spend more time/effort on campaigns/cinematics than on MP part of the game.

So it's not different from Diablo in that regard, in my opinion.

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

May 23 2023 20:27 GMT

#27

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