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rdfztzhfghfg
Profile Joined February 2024
2 Posts
February 26 2024 10:12 GMT
#1761
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25875 Posts
February 26 2024 10:24 GMT
#1762
On February 26 2024 19:12 rdfztzhfghfg wrote:
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On February 26 2024 19:04 WombaT wrote:
On February 26 2024 18:58 rdfztzhfghfg wrote:
On February 26 2024 15:48 _Spartak_ wrote:
On February 26 2024 07:49 teapot_ wrote:
I doubt that a significant fraction of backers did not bother to try the game. The big drop after steam fest might just be because a lot of backers actually stopped playing the game before the steam fest ended (grinding the ladder at this stage of the game is understandably for a particular audience). Or do you have another source for numbers than the ladder stats on SG central?

Slightly unrelated, but do you have a connection to FG, Spartak?

Kickstarter backers had access before Steam Next Fest began. The player numbers weren't anywhere close to the Steam Next Fest numbers. One of the Frost Giant devs also said in a twitch chat comment that most Kickstarter backers haven't played the game yet iirc. A lot of people backed the game but are still waiting until it is more finished to start playing.

Youve been already exposed as a Strawman. You know you are in deep shit when Kickstarter are supposed to be your savior

Ignore this nonsense Spartak, coming from TL’s most-banned person who doesn’t seem to get the memo.

Plenty of people are skeptical at this time, equally some folks genuinely hope and believe in this project.

Both are valid and it’s unfair on you to have your integrity questioned in this manner.

What have i been banned for? What have i said that was so inherently wrong?

Well I mean you said that Spartak was exposed as a strawman, which is a new one on me. Is he a strawman of himself somehow?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
hgjzutdess
Profile Joined February 2024
1 Post
Last Edited: 2024-02-26 12:18:25
February 26 2024 11:49 GMT
#1763
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gingerfluffmuffnr2
Profile Joined February 2024
107 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-26 14:48:22
February 26 2024 14:44 GMT
#1764
On February 26 2024 20:49 hgjzutdess wrote:

who cares.

I read a few comments on that garbage site, and his comments were well received...
not.

Lets just wait for summer and EA SG. Or as long as they have funds, who knows even anymore.
_Spartak_
Profile Joined October 2013
Turkey419 Posts
February 26 2024 15:24 GMT
#1765
On February 26 2024 20:49 hgjzutdess wrote:
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On February 26 2024 19:24 WombaT wrote:
On February 26 2024 19:12 rdfztzhfghfg wrote:
On February 26 2024 19:04 WombaT wrote:
On February 26 2024 18:58 rdfztzhfghfg wrote:
On February 26 2024 15:48 _Spartak_ wrote:
On February 26 2024 07:49 teapot_ wrote:
I doubt that a significant fraction of backers did not bother to try the game. The big drop after steam fest might just be because a lot of backers actually stopped playing the game before the steam fest ended (grinding the ladder at this stage of the game is understandably for a particular audience). Or do you have another source for numbers than the ladder stats on SG central?

Slightly unrelated, but do you have a connection to FG, Spartak?

Kickstarter backers had access before Steam Next Fest began. The player numbers weren't anywhere close to the Steam Next Fest numbers. One of the Frost Giant devs also said in a twitch chat comment that most Kickstarter backers haven't played the game yet iirc. A lot of people backed the game but are still waiting until it is more finished to start playing.

Youve been already exposed as a Strawman. You know you are in deep shit when Kickstarter are supposed to be your savior

Ignore this nonsense Spartak, coming from TL’s most-banned person who doesn’t seem to get the memo.

Plenty of people are skeptical at this time, equally some folks genuinely hope and believe in this project.

Both are valid and it’s unfair on you to have your integrity questioned in this manner.

What have i been banned for? What have i said that was so inherently wrong?

Well I mean you said that Spartak was exposed as a strawman, which is a new one on me. Is he a strawman of himself somehow?

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On February 26 2024 12:53 Nirli wrote:
On February 26 2024 07:49 teapot_ wrote:


Slightly unrelated, but do you have a connection to FG, Spartak?

Not unrelated at all, he's a mod on the SG Reddit.


And i know you are gonna bring it up: That doesnt necessarily mean he is on the payroll of Frost Giants. He is Strawman for his own interest (Being Mod of REDDIT!!!). Even though its hard to believe that he isnt.

He has been "offensive" towards people:
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On February 25 2024 00:12 _Spartak_ wrote:
Stormgate has over 500k wishlists on Steam. It has risen a lot in wishlist ranks after Steam Next Fest. It was 2nd most played demo on Steam Next Fest and showed good player retention (meaning people enjoyed playing the game for the most part). If you think "not many people are interested" in it, you are living in a bubble.


He tries to argue with hypothetical numbers which may affect things at some point.
Because, you know, those Kickstarters (Who already paid) cant change their mind at some point
I don't think you know what either "strawman" or "hypothetical" mean.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16859 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-26 17:48:36
February 26 2024 17:45 GMT
#1766
I'd like to address a question Grubby and others asked about new funding for Frost Giant. The open/unanswered question is something like:

"why aren't the big names with big money investing money? why aren't the current investors giving Frost Giant another round of funding?"

The company evaluated itself as a $150M company. This means they've given 16.67% of the company to Kakao Games in exchange for their $25M investment. No other knowledgeable investors want to invest any amount of money into Frost Giant for such a small piece of the company. So now, Frost Giant is hoping members of the general public will fund them for $5M and as a collective this group of investors will "own" about 3% of the company.

No one thinks Frost Giant is worth $150M so no one wants to invest.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
_Spartak_
Profile Joined October 2013
Turkey419 Posts
February 26 2024 17:48 GMT
#1767
The valuation was probably lower when Kakao Games invested.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21868 Posts
February 26 2024 17:49 GMT
#1768
I imagine any serious investor asks how on earth they value themselves at 150 mil and then walk away laughing when they hear the answer.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16859 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-26 18:24:34
February 26 2024 18:17 GMT
#1769
The "investing drive" stands at $750,000 in "expressions of interest".
What happens if they don't hit the $5 Million?

Every time I tune into a Stormgate twitch.tv stream the player is having difficulty finding games. Welp, in the past 2 days the player count has been above 50 for about an hour. The game needs an influx of players for the match making to work properly.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
_Spartak_
Profile Joined October 2013
Turkey419 Posts
February 26 2024 19:14 GMT
#1770
The player number you are looking at is for the "Stormgate Open Playtest" app, which was the demo app for the Steam Next Fest. It is not supposed to be working anymore. I don't know how 50 players are even online there. Beta testers are playing on a different app. The player and match numbers have been pretty much stable since the Steam Next Fest ended. They even got a small bump since the Indiegogo campaign launched. You can check the activity stats here:

https://stormgateworld.com/stats
teapot_
Profile Joined July 2023
39 Posts
February 26 2024 23:37 GMT
#1771
Are you sure? 1k daily players (from the stats you link) is below 50 concurrent users assuming gaming sessions of roughly 1h on average, which seems about right given the number of games (7 games of ~10m? per user). But I don't think this number is particularly relevant at this point.

I'm in both camps that WombaT mentioned: skeptical about the commercial viability (as an unfortunate prerequisite) and hopeful for the gameplay.

The negativity is a just backlash from the way they engaged with the community. It's now rather predatory. Anyone spending money or time (as you do, Spartak) must realize it might be lights out in a few months, so don't invest too naively. Negative, but realistic, comments are actually helpful to warn potential 'victims' and set grounded expectations.

And don't burn yourself out replying to negative comments (unless you're actually compensated in some way; wait, don't burn out in that case either :p), it's a pointless losing battle.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16859 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-26 23:56:46
February 26 2024 23:46 GMT
#1772
Stormgate world's #s are congruent with the #s on Steamcharts. And, they are both congruent with what i'm seeing on Twitch.tv when streamers need 10 minutes to find a game.

Feb 22 has 3,600 games played. That means 225 games per hour during peak times and 75 games per hour during non-peak times. During non-peak times the 25 or so players playing 3 games each per hour are having problems finding games.

Regarding the money problems at Frost Giant ... September 21 , 2023 is when the alarm bells first started ringing.

Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
teapot_
Profile Joined July 2023
39 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-26 23:54:13
February 26 2024 23:52 GMT
#1773
On February 27 2024 08:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Feb 22 has 3,600 games played. That means 225 games per hour during peak times and 75 games per hour during non-peak times. During non-peak times the 25 or so players playing 3 games each per hour are having problems finding games.


Useless nitpick: 75 games/hour would be 25 players playing 6 games each per hour.

Useless edit: unless they play alone, which would explain why some find the game utterly boring
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16859 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-27 00:21:09
February 26 2024 23:59 GMT
#1774
it depends how they are counting a "game". it appears a game counts as 1 game per each player. watch the streamers between 4 and 7 am EST waiting 10 minues per game. The ladder is devolving into a shark tank... as it always does when an RTS game has very few people playing.

Regarding the September 21 interview... for the conspiracy minded ... this is their "hidden in plain sight" moment. LOL.

For the less cynical, this kinda proves Frost Giant isn't some 4D Chess sophisticated rip off operation. An agent of the company stated they were looking for money. Any one following Frost Giant very carefully saw this coming months ago.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
_Spartak_
Profile Joined October 2013
Turkey419 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-27 07:29:41
February 27 2024 06:05 GMT
#1775
Are you sure?
Yes, I am sure. There are about 4k matches per day right now. At the peak day of Steam Next Fest, there were 55k matches. Since that app had 5.1k peak concurrent players at that day, it should currently have around 350-400 peak concurrent players today based on that ratio.

Stormgate world's #s are congruent with the #s on Steamcharts.
As explained above, it is not. In any case, I was responding to your lie about the number of players dropping in the last 2 days when it clearly hasn't.

And, they are both congruent with what i'm seeing on Twitch.tv when streamers need 10 minutes to find a game.
This is the full VOD of Lowko's stream from yesterday:



People can see for themselves how long it takes him to find a match.
Tal
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
United Kingdom1017 Posts
February 27 2024 07:17 GMT
#1776
On Asia server, it is a long wait for a match, but I don't think this should be held against the game right now when it's not even in an open beta phase. Based on numbers when it was open to everyone, there's clearly a lot of interest in the game.

The other problems like art and funding are more serious.
It is what you read when you don't have to that determines what you will be when you can't help it.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16859 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-27 14:11:30
February 27 2024 14:05 GMT
#1777
@esportsTorch, also known as Trevor Housten, for GSL player no longer works for Frost Giant. He left recently.
On February 27 2024 15:05 _Spartak_ wrote:
People can see for themselves how long it takes him to find a match.

Was this between 4am and 7am EST? That is the time people are having a hard time finding matches. Each time I brought up the issue I mentioned that time. On the 24 hour days when there are ~3600 matches there are HOURS where only 60 or so matches take place. It is DURING THOSE HOURS people take a long time to find games. The # of people online does not remain identical every hour. It goes up and down and is at its lowest between 4AM and 7AM EST.
On February 27 2024 16:17 Tal wrote:
On Asia server, it is a long wait for a match, but I don't think this should be held against the game right now when it's not even in an open beta phase. Based on numbers when it was open to everyone, there's clearly a lot of interest in the game.

It just sucks for any one who paid $40 or $60 to have to sit in a queue for a long time. Frost Giant stated one of the main purposes of the Kickstarter was an opportunity to get into the beta test.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6972 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-27 14:19:06
February 27 2024 14:18 GMT
#1778
On February 27 2024 23:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
@esportsTorch, also known as Trevor Housten, for GSL player no longer works for Frost Giant. He left recently.
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2024 15:05 _Spartak_ wrote:
People can see for themselves how long it takes him to find a match.

Was this between 4am and 7am EST? That is the time people are having a hard time finding matches. Each time I brought up the issue I mentioned that time. On the 24 hour days when there are ~3600 matches there are HOURS where only 60 or so matches take place. It is DURING THOSE HOURS people take a long time to find games. The # of people online does not remain identical every hour. It goes up and down and is at its lowest between 4AM and 7AM EST.
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2024 16:17 Tal wrote:
On Asia server, it is a long wait for a match, but I don't think this should be held against the game right now when it's not even in an open beta phase. Based on numbers when it was open to everyone, there's clearly a lot of interest in the game.

It just sucks for any one who paid $40 or $60 to have to sit in a queue for a long time. Frost Giant stated one of the main purposes of the Kickstarter was an opportunity to get into the beta test.


Not sure what point you are trying to make here... nobody is playing a closed beta game half a year before EA release in the middle of the night? shocker
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16859 Posts
February 27 2024 14:54 GMT
#1779
I play Helldivers2 with a bunch of guys from 4am to 6:45am and we start work at 7am. It is not really "the middle of the night". Also, time depends where you live. Sucks for those who spent $40 and can't play.

Caveat Emptor.

Very interesting interview with Tim Campbell from two weeks ago.


Sounds like we've got a massive, expanding, deep lore behind the game. Dozens of villians and heroes... and morally ambigious "the ends justifies the means" characters.

It is clear Tim Campbell knows how to weave a narrative and tell a story. So the Stormgate story should be really good.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
MegaBuster
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
167 Posts
February 27 2024 20:12 GMT
#1780
On February 27 2024 23:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
@esportsTorch, also known as Trevor Housten, for GSL player no longer works for Frost Giant. He left recently.


REALLY

I am amazed at this quiet quitting hall of famer. Worked 2 years on Esports preparation and gets out before a game is played?

I know they hire from within this sphere to try to establish credibility, but the backswing of that is getting finessed by blockheads like this. Finish what you started MR TORCH!

Destiny had a post long ago about how cronyism would be deadly for StarCraft and well the hot potato might be in the fucking hands of StormGiant here. Seriously in Trevor's three interviews about Esports planning you can actually hear the wind whistling through this sweet prince's head. ZERO IDEAS, ZERO INSIGHT, good grief.

People talking about how Frost Gate's investment got absolute juiced. Well the trail of sweet nectar definitely has a stop at this man's feet. I like to imagine a pile of cheques accumulating beneath his desk chair for 2 years, you look up and my guy is spinning circles talking baby babble to himself, and all this because he snuck into the GSL with some hellion rushes - man that's bleak.

Also to anyone in advance who sees that and thinks - oh well maybe he got all the systems established and the balls rolling and ready to go - really???? before any event happens????

Losing an early stage employee like this gives you a big messy pile of google docs and some ice-cold email chains and that's it. It does not get the ball rolling on anything.

you really have to be left feeling for FrostCraft on this one. Now Trevor Housten is off to lead esports for the pokemon company, the hypergamous buffoon.
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