EPTOn December 06 2023 19:21 Nirli wrote:
So, where's the people saying "100k won't make a difference, they're already fully funded"?
So, where's the people saying "100k won't make a difference, they're already fully funded"?
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread - Page 77
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Nirli
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jaeydee
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Ofc its not a finished product and the decision to develop a game in this extremly transparent way is nothing short of courageous. Hell if youre on the playtester discord you interact and discuss with the developers of the game on a daily basis. I have never experienced a AAA Game being developed in this way and i love the path they chose. Why do some people here try to throw shit at frostgiant for doing a kickstarter when they cleary and transparently communicate why they are doing it and how the money is spent? I really would love it if this megathread doesnt decent into some sort of circlejerk of stormgate. I mean its understandably that alot of you are put off by this way of developing a game since its pretty revolutionary and not for everyone that just want to play a polished product. On the other Hand i would love if some of you give these guys at frostgiant the benefit of the doubt since you rarely see a group of dedicated RTS lovers develop a game in this honest, transparent and exhausting way. Dealing with passionate gamers is though. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7201 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18038 Posts
On February 12 2024 18:17 jaeydee wrote: Ofc its not a finished product and the decision to develop a game in this extremly transparent way is nothing short of courageous. Hell if youre on the playtester discord you interact and discuss with the developers of the game on a daily basis. I have never experienced a AAA Game being developed in this way and i love the path they chose. I'm not sure this is considered a AAA game. If any one has more knowledge on this please chime in. On February 12 2024 18:17 jaeydee wrote: I mean its understandably that alot of you are put off by this way of developing a game since its pretty revolutionary and not for everyone that just want to play a polished product. I don't think the development pathway is revolutionary. StormGate's development and the state of the franchise path is pretty similar to Fire Pro Wrestling World developed from 2017 to 2020. In a previous post, I outlined in detail how FPWW was in a very similar situation in 2017 as Stormgate is in right now. you make a good point. | ||
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Miragee
8716 Posts
On February 12 2024 13:56 TT1 wrote: haha ya i wanted to change my fkeys to shift + cam keys too :D Haha.^^ I have to stay corrected btw. Rebinding esc only helped in so far that the menu won't open anymore. However, it doesn't go back a step in the UI, even though I bound it to that option... | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7450 Posts
On February 12 2024 08:10 JimmyJRaynor wrote: THey're opening up Kickstarter again for more people to join due to overwhelming, unprecedented customer demand! player #s have been falling all week. Any how... https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https://i.redd.it/ebvikq0g21ic1.jpeg These haphazard, out-of-left-field changes are just LOL. This is your last chance to get in guys! Unless they offer another last chance... are they this desperate for cash? At it again Jimmy? On every page of this thread is at least one of those posts from you... It was the 2nd most successful beta/ demo on steam NEXT fest after Dungeonborne and before Homeworld 3. And that one of the most hyped tournaments all year in Starcraft 2 (Stormgates main demographic) was happening at the same weekend might have something to do with it as well, don't you think? | ||
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Detscham
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cha0
Canada518 Posts
On February 12 2024 22:00 Harris1st wrote: At it again Jimmy? On every page of this thread is at least one of those posts from you... It was the 2nd most successful beta/ demo on steam NEXT fest after Dungeonborne and before Homeworld 3. And that one of the most hyped tournaments all year in Starcraft 2 (Stormgates main demographic) was happening at the same weekend might have something to do with it as well, don't you think? I usually disagree with Jimmy on pretty much everything but in this case he's not wrong... It's a pretty lame predatory dark pattern to use to try and push potential consumers into buying by setting a 'last chance at beta' and then afterwards just extending it(but also putting another limit on it so as a second 'last chance') | ||
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Swisslink
2958 Posts
On February 12 2024 23:18 cha0 wrote: I usually disagree with Jimmy on pretty much everything but in this case he's not wrong... It's a pretty lame predatory dark pattern to use to try and push potential consumers into buying by setting a 'last chance at beta' and then afterwards just extending it(but also putting another limit on it so as a second 'last chance') To be fair, they announced that before the beta week. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18038 Posts
Did any one see one? | ||
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gfhztrhgf
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
Watching Mixu, Parting and other pros micro their heart out with these fun units like atlas drops, weaver micro, imp suiciding or a big ass dragon is very pleasing to watch and play for yourself. Can you link me to any micro engagements that required more than 200 APM? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On February 13 2024 08:30 Hider wrote: Can you link me to any micro engagements that required more than 200 APM? Should they? Even god tier blink micro by its nature isn’t crazy high in an APM sense, it’s all precision and targeting the weak stalkers accurately Conversely even mediocre bio stutter-step can be way over that threshold, hell I suck but go at like 220 in marine split maps. Part of BW’s/SC2’s high APM requirement is just swapping over to macro frequently, and in BW’s case the sheer difficulty of moving larger armies. In WC3, which Stormgate feels closer to huge APM is only really generated by spam. And doing well in that game is more dependent on micro than SC2 is | ||
Waxangel
United States33713 Posts
On February 13 2024 08:30 Hider wrote: Can you link me to any micro engagements that required more than 200 APM? Honestly, this is the kind of complaint that reminds me of BW vs War3 or BW vs SC2 discussions on TL from decades ago. People can rightfully think something is off about the game, but I think some people just throw random RTS-isms at it because they can't specifically articulate the problem. Randomly injecting "APM" as a reason for why you think the micro in the game isn't as impactful or impressive as SC2 isn't particularly accurate. Granted, a lot of people saying the game feels off is still useful feedback, at least up to a point. | ||
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nimbim
Germany986 Posts
I've played 6 or 7 games of Stormgate, didn't feel very interesting (yet), but the framework is certainly there to add more units etc | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19399 Posts
On February 13 2024 09:33 nimbim wrote: When people had caveman strategies in early SC2, there was also talk about the low apm requirements and lack of strategic depth. If you watch today's pro SC2 it's just as sophisticated as BW. I think it's very hard to judge something like that this early. I've played 6 or 7 games of Stormgate, didn't feel very interesting (yet), but the framework is certainly there to add more units etc Early Deathball WoL was pretty horrible. Honestly, while I loved the storylines, I really disliked watching WoL for the first 2 years. Hearing anyone involved in WoL design is involved in this honestly concerns me. I really enjoy watching SC2 today and am glad I stuck by it with a positive attitude. I’ll try to do the same with Stormgate. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7450 Posts
https://liquipedia.net/stormgate/EGC_Stormgate_Open/Katowice | ||
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hgzthgffd
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Harris1st
Germany7450 Posts
On February 13 2024 19:55 hgzthgffd wrote: Second highest game played equals 3500 all-time peak. https://steamcharts.com/app/2764900. Thats not groundbreaking for the prodigy of RTS. None of the big Youtuber/Twitch streamer were playing RTS is a niche. The most successful RTS on steam is AoE II: DE with 20-25k daily players. That is what SG needs to top. It will never beat CS2, Palworld or Dota 2 | ||
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hgzthgffd
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