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Weavel
Finland9224 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada18030 Posts
On January 13 2024 05:12 bgftgcfhhfga wrote: Trying to hire content creater from other games just to advertise your own game reeks of desperation. And it doesnt help. Especially when your product is in an completely unfinished state. In which no knows what the fuck is happening ingame. Desperation? meh, i'm not so sure this action proves desperation. Gearbox showed up at a Destiny2 giant community event to show off Borderlands3. Gearbox was not desperate at all. Borderlands3 was a great game and it sold great. Its still fun to this day. Gearbox was acting from a position of strength. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9649 Posts
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CicadaSC
United States2040 Posts
On January 13 2024 09:16 iamperfection wrote: who would be the favorite to win a tournament right now? Probably the people who've been playing and winning in last betas. Based on what we've seen so far at least Mana is playing and strong. So is Parting and Kiwian too. I think Scarlett won the first ever alpha tournament and she's also the best at zerospace so can't count her out. I don't think the game would take super long for someone like Serral or Clem to pick up too if they wanted to start training but whether they are even interested in that remains unseen. SC2 seems faster so it might make sense to continue as a pro there where the skills they've built up hold the most impact. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
On January 14 2024 03:17 CicadaSC wrote: Probably the people who've been playing and winning in last betas. Based on what we've seen so far at least Mana is playing and strong. So is Parting and Kiwian too. I think Scarlett won the first ever alpha tournament and she's also the best at zerospace so can't count her out. I don't think the game would take super long for someone like Serral or Clem to pick up too if they wanted to start training but whether they are even interested in that remains unseen. SC2 seems faster so it might make sense to continue as a pro there where the skills they've built up hold the most impact. Scarlett is probably an overrated SC2 player (just a little, no pitchforks she’s still bloody good!) but simultaneously her ability to be excellent at any RTS she tries, new or old probably goes under the radar a bit. No slouch at BW either and she’s still placing in SC2 tournies at the same time. I think you’re likely to see SC2 players, probably not the current cream but good, solid pros dominate Stormgate, at least initially. If you’re a Clem or a Reynor, Serral, Maru type SC2 isn’t likely to disappear and you’re earning good money, little reason to migrate. BW the cream of the crop are earning bank, and the many gifted amateurs around the globe are mostly too old, have regular careers to give full-time pro-gaming a shot at that juncture. WC3 you’ve likely a similar issue, albeit more the latter. And AoE(s), which I confess I’m not an expert in seem to be sufficiently different skill set wise that players can move from there to a Blizz title, or the other direction and quickly be bloody decent, but few seem to ever make the transition to being truly elite | ||
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AusProbe
Australia235 Posts
https://liquipedia.net/stormgate/D-Tier_Tournaments https://liquipedia.net/stormgate/Weekly_Tournaments | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3577 Posts
On January 14 2024 04:04 WombaT wrote: Scarlett is probably an overrated SC2 player (just a little, no pitchforks she’s still bloody good!) but simultaneously her ability to be excellent at any RTS she tries, new or old probably goes under the radar a bit. No slouch at BW either and she’s still placing in SC2 tournies at the same time. I think you’re likely to see SC2 players, probably not the current cream but good, solid pros dominate Stormgate, at least initially. If you’re a Clem or a Reynor, Serral, Maru type SC2 isn’t likely to disappear and you’re earning good money, little reason to migrate. BW the cream of the crop are earning bank, and the many gifted amateurs around the globe are mostly too old, have regular careers to give full-time pro-gaming a shot at that juncture. WC3 you’ve likely a similar issue, albeit more the latter. And AoE(s), which I confess I’m not an expert in seem to be sufficiently different skill set wise that players can move from there to a Blizz title, or the other direction and quickly be bloody decent, but few seem to ever make the transition to being truly elite Add to that the fact that from the vids and all the game doesn't look anywhere near complete or attractive enough for people to even attempt a switch from older games. It s not shocking news since we just left alpha for the beta recently and a lot more needs to be added, like a 3rd faction they announced. What i m trying to say is it ll probably take at least another year to have a somewhat finished product and so a bit longer than that for people to possibly switch. At that stage, people left in sc2/bw will be earning well in those games and there might not be a lot of other slightly below the top players left in those | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On January 13 2024 09:16 iamperfection wrote: who would be the favorite to win a tournament right now? Given the timing close to Katowice, none of the top SC2 pros will be grinding it. So I'd pick from the ones who aren't at Katowice. Even if they haven't been playing the previous versions, the game will have changed so much that I doubt any non-pros who have been playing the alpha/betas will have enough advantage against their skill. PartinG was apparently number 1 on the Stormgate ladder during the last beta, and won the most recent alpha tournament. So probably him. Mana looked solid during the showmatch, but that was still just a showmatch and not a tournament, so it's hard to judge. | ||
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CicadaSC
United States2040 Posts
On January 15 2024 10:34 Fango wrote: Given the timing close to Katowice, none of the top SC2 pros will be grinding it. So I'd pick from the ones who aren't at Katowice. Even if they haven't been playing the previous versions, the game will have changed so much that I doubt any non-pros who have been playing the alpha/betas will have enough advantage against their skill. PartinG was apparently number 1 on the Stormgate ladder during the last beta, and won the most recent alpha tournament. So probably him. Mana looked solid during the showmatch, but that was still just a showmatch and not a tournament, so it's hard to judge. my only argument against this would be one: they likely arent adding the third race yet so the balance changes shouldnt be so astronomical. I'm expecitng tier 3 units as well as number tweaks to the already existing ones. Maybe changes to creep camps. Aside from that u have to remember while stormgate and starcraft share some similarities, they do flow quite differently and the skillset the top pros have built up in starcraft might not perfectly carry over to stormgate. Flat out, the game doesnt feel as fast pace from the videos ive seen so I dont know if u necesarily need to be a multitasking god to play at a very high level. You also have players from WC3 and AOE taking it quite seriously. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On January 15 2024 10:45 CicadaSC wrote: my only argument against this would be one: they likely arent adding the third race yet so the balance changes shouldnt be so astronomical. I'm expecitng tier 3 units as well as number tweaks to the already existing ones. Maybe changes to creep camps. Aside from that u have to remember while stormgate and starcraft share some similarities, they do flow quite differently and the skillset the top pros have built up in starcraft might not perfectly carry over to stormgate. Flat out, the game doesnt feel as fast pace from the videos ive seen so I dont know if u necesarily need to be a multitasking god to play at a very high level. You also have players from WC3 and AOE taking it quite seriously. I dunno man, the best Stormgate players so far are already SC2 pros who aren't competing at the top level currently. Hell, PartinG was number 1 while still under military service. If more sc2 pros drop into the upcoming beta I'm not sure lesser players will be able to carry much over from previous playtests. Build orders will all be new, and pros will learn and improve on them faster than anyone else can. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
On January 15 2024 10:45 CicadaSC wrote: my only argument against this would be one: they likely arent adding the third race yet so the balance changes shouldnt be so astronomical. I'm expecitng tier 3 units as well as number tweaks to the already existing ones. Maybe changes to creep camps. Aside from that u have to remember while stormgate and starcraft share some similarities, they do flow quite differently and the skillset the top pros have built up in starcraft might not perfectly carry over to stormgate. Flat out, the game doesnt feel as fast pace from the videos ive seen so I dont know if u necesarily need to be a multitasking god to play at a very high level. You also have players from WC3 and AOE taking it quite seriously. Not that Parting is any kind of slouch in straight up macro slugfests, although there are better, but it kind of makes sense he’s very good given his number one skill is absolutely stellar unit control. With the longer engagement length that Stormgate enables, slightly slower pace and units not melting in seconds you feel players with that skillset will get more mileage out of it comparatively. I’m not knowledgable enough about AoE other than it having a rather different flow, is the micro similar to ye olde Blizz RTS titles? | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7441 Posts
Realisticially, I do expect some larger quantities of players switching games by next X-Mas and hope that independant tournament organizers and streamers like Take and Wardi will continue their important work with the new games as well  | ||
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Comedy
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27477 Posts
On January 15 2024 19:48 Comedy wrote: You think stormgate will be a better game than sc2 by next x-mas? seems kind of optimistic. It doesn’t have to be. If a pro can potentially earn more by being a top dog in that game rather than a mid-level pro, there’s plenty of incentive there. Alternatively some folks may just be incredibly burnt out at this stage, as good as SC2 is something fresh may appeal for that reason. Hell I recall standing observing Mana playing a fine PvT at Dreamhack Winter in 2011, it’s 2023 now. I’ve had a lot of variety in life over that time (some good, some very bad), whereas at least professionally that guys been doing nothing but StarCraft for that entire time. *Edit* - Forgot it is currently 2024 | ||
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_Spartak_
Turkey464 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On January 15 2024 20:01 WombaT wrote: It doesn’t have to be. If a pro can potentially earn more by being a top dog in that game rather than a mid-level pro, there’s plenty of incentive there. It's this with most esports, the top dogs will stick with their current game because they're earning too much to switch. Whether its BW to SC2, or CSGO to Valorant, the first wave of top level pros are always guys who weren't quite at the top of the previous game and had incentive to change. Of course, when SC2 prize money will dwindle is unknown. | ||
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VelRa_G
Canada304 Posts
On January 16 2024 05:46 _Spartak_ wrote: Artosis casts a closed beta tournament match between Parting and Mixu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHuX8iBBL8Y Infernals look so busted rn. Also, Mixu is a great player but Parting is just on another level. These matches not a great showing for Stormgate, IMO. Excited to play soon though! | ||
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End1ess
Canada77 Posts
On January 16 2024 09:44 Fango wrote: It's this with most esports, the top dogs will stick with their current game because they're earning too much to switch. Whether its BW to SC2, or CSGO to Valorant, the first wave of top level pros are always guys who weren't quite at the top of the previous game and had incentive to change. Of course, when SC2 prize money will dwindle is unknown. All the Pro gamer were force to play both game BW and SC2 for the switch over. The top pros were first to return back to BW when they couldn't achieve as much as they did in BW. | ||
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