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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
The artifact main stats are biased, but there doesn't seem to be any collected data that the substats are not. The 4 star banner characters are pretty good for me. Getting to C6 Xiangling or C6 Noelle would be nice since i am currently using both. Or perhaps I should build up my C1 Xingqui I've had all along. That is if Ganyu is worth getting for me. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34502 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Albedo is pretty strange as a character. He pops out of nowhere without being part of any storyline, before the Dragonspine region was added that is, and he is the most normally dressed person out of all the characters. Nobody else would look normal like he does. I think he was some wierd attempt to appeal to a western audience. | ||
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Latham
9572 Posts
I also got Alfredo on my 74th roll and it reset my pity, when I was trying to get 6th constellation of sucrose... I got punished for my greed  , anyway that video above pretty much shows how to use him. He's a very nice burst support and can fit into any team, really. Elevator is a little gimmicky but his E & Q damage and utility are the real deal.Anyway, from the same guy explaining how to Sucrose + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34502 Posts
That forced me to actually look into what he does and from what I see he actually is pretty strong lol. I think I'm gonna go for Noblesse 4 set on him since I have zero Petra and need to focus my resin elsewhere. | ||
Spazer
Canada8033 Posts
On January 10 2021 23:24 Dangermousecatdog wrote: The artifact main stats are biased, but there doesn't seem to be any collected data that the substats are not. There's been a couple serious data gathering efforts for artifact substats, and they've all shown that weighting exists. What I'm not sure about is how substat upgrades are distributed once all 4 substats have been rolled. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34502 Posts
I even predicted it: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/F6reN4P.png) | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7139 Posts
As I understand it: Mona AA -> apply Hydro status Sucrose E (with 4-piece Venerer) -> decreasing Hydro Res Bennett Q -> apply Pyro, increase ATT Mona Q -> Vaporize ??????? Somehow Mona Q again? Bennett E For max damage 4-piece Noblesse on Mona and Bennett right? Or is Hydro better on Mona? | ||
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Latham
9572 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/LVe8Pmd.jpg) I'm sure you can pop the bubble with Klee or Diluc as well, you don't have to go back to Bennett for that. TT would be, I assume, Thrilling dragon Tales, aka the best F2P support catalyst in the game... And yeah, if you swap her in only for the Q nuke, full noblesse. Not sure if you want hydro DMG% goblet tho... probably Elemental Mastery or Energy Recharge on Goblet. Bennett wants Healing bonus and ele recharge on Full Noblesse. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7139 Posts
Circlet with Crit rate, Goblet with Atk and watch only with HP and def Still looking for EM/ Recharge or AtkStep 3 I don't understand. Neither with TT nor with Widsith Step 6: Multiple sources say you have to wait around with Mona to keep Benny buff and wait till inherent elemental CD refreshes or sth | ||
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Boltwork
18 Posts
On January 11 2021 21:27 Harris1st wrote: Step 3 I don't understand. Neither with TT nor with Widsith Step 3 is assuming you put Thrilling Tales on Sucrose, so you quickly swap back to Mona to put the TT buff on her instead of on Bennett. That's only if you're trying to get really really big damage numbers. For normal gameplay I just skip all the Venerer stuff and go Bennett ult -> Mona ult -> wait 2 seconds -> pop the bubble using any pyro attack. This won't get gigantic crits, but you can get 150K+ (arbitrary estimate for good gear/levels, not a max crit dmg build) and it's really easy to do. Everything else in that list is just applying more buffs/debuffs on top of this basic reaction. (Venerer debuff is necessary for really big numbers, but it's kind of overkill when it works, and can also mess up your vaporize reaction by swirling in other elements that are already present on the field. But along with it you also get all the EM that Sucrose generates from her talents.) The waiting 2 seconds part is AFAIK because Mona's ult needs to apply hydro twice, once when you put it on and once when you pop the bubble, so you need to wait out the internal hydro application cooldown if you want it to proc Vaporize. You are also apparently supposed to stay as Mona while you're waiting, because her ult damage is calculated when it pops, not when she applies it. So you want to switch to pyro & pop it immediately while the Bennett buff is still affecting Mona (it lingers for a couple seconds after you switch out). I am not 100% certain on how all this works, though. edit: you don't need full Noblesse on Mona if Bennett already has it, because the buff doesn't stack. You can give her 2-pc Noblesse and then 2-pc of anything else (Wanderer's or the new hydro set). Mine has 2-pc Gladiator's just because I happened to get a nice hydro damage Gladiator cup. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
If I remember right, the Hydro status is only applied at the first and at the last instance of the Q attack. The first time phro status removes both, the second time, you re-apply Pyro so vaporise can happen. What is missing is the build. Other than obviously giving Mona as much damage and crit damage as possible, Sucrose's build is important. You want to stack EM where you have space to do so due to Sucrose's Ascension 4 talent. You also want C6 Sucrose. On January 11 2021 06:10 Firebolt145 wrote: I have no idea how it is weighed but even if it's 50% def and 50% shared between critrate/critdmg/attack the chances of that happening to me was extremely slim. I even predicted it: + Show Spoiler + 1/8 chance assuming equal chances. Do you have at least 7 other artifacts with crit rate and crit damage for comparison? | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7139 Posts
@Firebolt Do you think there is any corelation because you did 0 -> 14 in one go? @all Thanks for all the help and input with Mona nuke! I have Widsith on Mona. Not sure right now what Sucroses has. Might just skip step 3 then  I currently have 4 x Noblesse on both Mona and Benett. Might switch it up for Mona if it's useless. Have a Noblesse goblet with hydro damage, so that one stays First bombs yesterday were a bit underwhelming. Need to improve my timing and upgrade talents / weapon and artifacts on Mona some more to get some decent stats going EDIT: My Sucrose has Sacrificial Fragments giving her ~ 330 EM total right now EDIT2: What do you guys think is better for Mona: 2 Noblesse + 2 Hydro or 2 Noblesse + 2 Wanderer artifacts? I have decent choices for both options | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
Definitely will require an adjustment in play style. Awkward but damn she does a lot of dmg. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7139 Posts
Her C1 seems nice, though know you really want that C2 I guess ^^ If I pulled her I would finally have a use for my bow prototypes and build her a Compound bow R5 or sth Mona bomb: So far my non crit number is around 30k and crit hit is around 80k. Got me an achievement yesterday (crit over 50k) | ||
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Boltwork
18 Posts
My plan is to put Diona in a team with her since she has a Sacrificial Bow for generating a ton of orbs for Ganyu, plus the cryo resonance for melt crits. I think it will be really good. | ||
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Latham
9572 Posts
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Spazer
Canada8033 Posts
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