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ToT)BrAiN(
Austria899 Posts
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
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paper
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i stop by op tl-west but no ones ever on~ coLor @lordaeron :} | ||
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BlueRoyaL
United States2493 Posts
whenever i come to tl-west there's none or few people on wc3 and they're always afk | ||
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LastWish
2013 Posts
It really is a stupid way to go, even if you want to go meka later. Commonly first items are tangos and mana potions. How many? It depends.. usually 2x tango, and potions up to your active spell. For example I usually get 4 potions with bounty hunter. Vengeful spirit can go for many manas too and spam bolts. Now next item can be a empty bottle for some heroes, for example : vengeful spirit, chaos knight, spectre, sven could too... heroes that require mana for spells early and they aren't int + arcane would be a waste for them. Nerubian assasin, Tiny go for arcane. I'm never sure what to buy for omni knight in the beginning, and his skill choices always differ such a omni hero. Tormented soul build : - 2x Tango, 3x mana - boots or energy booster - arcane ring - 2x bracer if needed(usually is) - ring of regeneration into meka - void stone in the meantime, if you're doing well BoT instead(can be even before meka) - HoT and Assault - ?Skadi Skill choice for me : lightning(for great range abuse, damage and 5 second cooldown), explosions(towers, killing creeps/heroes) Spectre build : - tangos, potions(aren't that necessary) - empty bottle - power threads - bracers if needed or stout shield - mask of madness if you are doing fine - +10 armor to be tough or more hp - damage item ... Skill choice : Dagger and Desolate | ||
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paper
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rpf
United States2705 Posts
 I've been looking at damage items a bit, lately, as I know that HoT/Bfly/Guin are "safe" items for each stat. But they aren't always the best for each hero. For example, I think that going Mjoll or Radiance on Razor over a Bfly is better, as it stacks well with his abilities. Bfly isn't bad, but not ideal. Same with Magna. Heart isn't ideal, as going Bfury stacks with his cleave ability, and when you dagger/ulti, you're doing massive AoE damage. Again, HoT is good, but not ideal. So, I looked at the items list, and noticed there are a bunch of items that are pretty much just +dmg, and don't really have stats. Can someone explain why and when each item is needed/good to buy? Desolator Bfury Crys/Buriza Mkb And then there are three items that have a small amount of stats and some use ability. Should these be bought depending on your main stat, or should they be taken based on their ability? I'm talking about: Bkb Lothar's Dagon And what really confuses me are the two items that give two different stats, and has some other ability to it. Again, are these taken based on your main stat, the stat that you gain more from, or are they taken based on their ability? I'm talking about: Diffusal/Manta Necro S&Y And what about skadi? It's obviously not a main stat item, so would I be wrong to assume it's good for int heroes since it would fill in their weaknesses? (Lack of health, survivability [running from slowed enemies], etc.) | ||
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paper
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Battlefury : generally accepted as overpriced for what it gives you, but imo pretty useful with SK, altho i'd rather get a dagger first Crys/Buriza : i havent bought a buriza in so long~ i think there are much better items like the MKB, and i believe stygian does more damage. (source: http://forums.dota-allstars.com/index.php?showtopic=140913) MKB : i didn't discover this sexy item until a while after i started playing dota. one of the best damage/gold items. imo, if you can farm it very early, it rapes~ plus the mini-stun is nice BKB : pretty standard on sven & cm; bought for its active ability obviously ;] Lothar's : only get it if youre getting ganked/raped, but if you get that lothar's, is it really going to turn the game around? 1) it's pretty shitty damage, 2) easily countered, 3) delays your core items Dagon : ehhh xD generally a waste of money~ Diffusal/Manta : good for manaburn (not the stats)! the purge is very nice too. make sure you use all/most of the charges if you turn it into a manta, it's worth it to delay the manta to use up charges sometimes. btw, images mana burn also Necro : i'd only get this as a str/int hero as it gives hp for int heroes and mana for str heroes. if you can micro it, get it~! i usually get this as BM. the mana burn is good, +move spd is nifty, and level three true sight is nice against invis. S&Y : pretty shitty item imo. viable maybe for BH and SB? 99% of the time, there is a better item for the hero | ||
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
RPF just ask me what to make for each hero okay? | ||
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paper
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
LastWish's post was just terribad, sorry =( I got work in the morning but if your questions aren't answered by then I'll try and answer them. | ||
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Heen
Korea (South)2178 Posts
/f add them and whisper us, maybe you're getting on at the wrong timezone  or msn messenger: m0c_liamtoh at hotmail com | ||
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rpf
United States2705 Posts
What does Bkb's active do? And why do so many people say to get mkb on sniper? They're two different effects, so they don't stack. You're basically wasting a ton of gold to get +10% chance to headshot. I think any other item would be better. Strafe, what do you think about these builds? Magna: start: 4 tangos, bracer mats boots/finish bracers perseverance dagger/bfury This way you can blink to people, pull them in with your ult, while doing shitloads of cleave damage. Razor: start: 4 tangos, bracer mats (should I go RoB instead so I can spam CL?) boots/finish bracers mael or radiance BoT/mjoll (if I went Mael) Sniper: start: 4 tangos, bracer mats boots/finish bracers bfly desolator or manta? Gorgon: start: 4 tangos, bracer mats boots/finish bracers mael BoT/mjoll I just played gorgon in a game, and everyone told me I should have gone basilius and turned off armor aura. Should I have? I figure, I don't need shield until later, so having the mana to sustain it doesn't seem necessary anyhow. Besides, I tend to not blow all of my mana on CL at the beginning anyhow. I use it to "punish" a player who gets too close to me when there are creeps to be killed still. I know you posted your own build, so I was hoping to hear more of your thoughts on gorgon. She's incredibly mana dependent, so I was thinking, what about an arcane ring later to help keep shield up? Lich: start: RoB/consumables (tangos, clarities, pots, etc.) boots, headdress, buckler mek BoT/guin or scepter I bet you'll flame me for doing mek on Lich, but try it and you'll see why I did it. You're fucking hard to kill, especially between dropping chain frost, nova (with dark ritual keeping you full) and if someone tries to gank you, you mek and run. :D | ||
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Heen
Korea (South)2178 Posts
On July 15 2007 22:15 rpf wrote: Magna: start: 4 tangos, bracer mats boots/finish bracers perseverance dagger/bfury This way you can blink to people, pull them in with your ult, while doing shitloads of cleave damage. I would get dagger before perseverance, I don't play magna much nor do I like him but I'm pretty sure blink dagger is much higher priority than regen Razor: start: 4 tangos, bracer mats (should I go RoB instead so I can spam CL?) boots/finish bracers mael or radiance BoT/mjoll (if I went Mael) RoB won't let you spam CL -_- I'd go CL/stats if I wanted to farm radiance, and I hate maelstrom so fuck that. Sniper: start: 4 tangos, bracer mats boots/finish bracers bfly desolator or manta? Going straight to butterfly is a pretty bad idea on sniper. I prefer starting out with SnY and going for a more 'steady' build. Manta sucks on sniper, what the hell, man. Don't like deso on him that much either. MKB is a popular choice on sniper since his base damage sucks and the extra ministuns do make a difference. Also, blink dagger is surprising good on sniper, a cheaper alternative to lothar's you could say, but it can be used better in the right hands. Gorgon: start: 4 tangos, bracer mats boots/finish bracers mael BoT/mjoll I just played gorgon in a game, and everyone told me I should have gone basilius and turned off armor aura. Should I have? I figure, I don't need shield until later, so having the mana to sustain it doesn't seem necessary anyhow. Besides, I tend to not blow all of my mana on CL at the beginning anyhow. I use it to "punish" a player who gets too close to me when there are creeps to be killed still. I don't get people who get mael on Gorgon. Is it just because it's cool to have dual lightning then? Her attack speed isn't very impressive either. I know you posted your own build, so I was hoping to hear more of your thoughts on gorgon. She's incredibly mana dependent, so I was thinking, what about an arcane ring later to help keep shield up? That's as bad as getting arcane ring on skeleton king to make sure you have enough mana to reincarnate. Lich: start: RoB/consumables (tangos, clarities, pots, etc.) boots, headdress, buckler mek BoT/guin or scepter Why early BoT? Early blink dagger is much better. Besides it's not like meka on lich is an uncommon build. | ||
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rpf
United States2705 Posts
I'm honestly not a big fan of regen, to be perfectly fucking honest. I just don't like it unless I'm going hood/mek/perseverance in which case it's not so bad. I really don't like RoR/RoB too much. The regen isn't that impressive. But, I can't deny it, one RoR is often enough to make up for my CL harass. I go BoT on Lich because I'm too systematic about my builds. I look at a hero build in different phases. Phase 1: starting items (i.e. bracer mats/consumables) Phase 2: boots, finish starting items (i.e. bracer recipes) Phase 3: core item (i.e. heart/bfly/guin) Phase 4: BoT (to farm, defend, etc.) Phase 5: other stuff at the end of the game Oh, and the reason for mael/mjoll on gorgon is because she's an amazing farmer between split shot and CL procs. Granted when CL procs, you don't get the triple shot, but then again a 150/200 CL dropping into a creep wave is a hell of a lot better than split shot hitting three guys. | ||
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rpf
United States2705 Posts
How do you play: Magna Razor Gorgon Drow Sniper Lich Maiden Some other various questions: Is it best to go straight for L3/4 item, or should I work my way up, getting stuff from each consecutive shop? I was just in a game, where every agi hero went S&Y --> bfly, whereas I went straight to quartstaff after my beginning items and boots were done. I dislike having such an expensive item to save for, especially when I'm using to slowly working my way up. Like, on Razor, I go from starting items/boots to mael, which isn't a huge leap. Each component is fairly cheap, and so I get a decent item earlier on, whereas if I go straight to bfly, I've got nothing for a looooooong time. Like how before I asked for a basic idea of what to go for, and I was told hot/bfly/guin for their respective main stats, but what do I get before that item and after I get boots? Should I go straight for that item (or a high level item that better fits my hero) after my beginning items are done or what? | ||
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Heen
Korea (South)2178 Posts
It's much better to have a logical build than a systematical one  I used to have a friend who used to go 2 bracers and BoT and perserverance on just about any hero and it pissed me off since he didn't have a clear purpose and he never listened to my suggestions. Think of it like BO in BW. If you scout Z going 12 hatch, why would you build a cannon instead of nexus.Split shot has sucked for a while now, especially since they made divine medusa less viable. The reason I don't like mael is because it's not even THAT good of a farming item, and in pvp it sucks even more. BoT, HoM, and radiance are far better than mael for farming. | ||
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ToT)BrAiN(
Austria899 Posts
On July 16 2007 01:13 rpf wrote: Strafe, I'll take you up on your offer: How do you play: Magna Razor Gorgon Drow Sniper Lich Maiden magna: dagger, dagger, dagger its the only item you really need to win huge 5on5 fights, as long as ur team knows what to do you should also get som,e kind of mana regen so u can spam wave all the time, the dmg output is insane compared to its low mana cost perseverance, dagger, from there on get bot and hp items imo i dont really play razor,gorgon,drow or sniper lich: meka, dagger, bot, after that its up to you maiden: dagger, bkb, after that up to you, i would get aghanims for the extra hp+ better ulti | ||
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rpf
United States2705 Posts
Let me guess, dagger to get a perfect ult, bkb to avoid disables? | ||
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paper
13196 Posts
you do whatever it takes to make the most out of your abilities ;D btw strafe mind telling me what parts were blatantly incorrect  ? | ||
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