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letsye made a form to share info - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/games/523467-destiny-2-pc-xbox-ps4?page=9#165 eieio also made a PC clan, PM him here or add him in-game: eieio#11967 Clan: https://www.bungie.net/en/ClanV2/Index?groupId=2871144 | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
On November 26 2017 11:10 deth2munkies wrote: tl;dr Who the fuck actually cares? all the people who bought pop tarts care. https://wccftech.com/destiny-2-players-feel-scammed-xp-gains/ On November 26 2017 13:17 Fleetfeet wrote: I mean if you actually give a fuck you're crazy. ad hominem. has nothing to do with Destiny2 or what i'm talking about. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
And they shown that they are ready for steam launch before it came to the battlenet, so they can go where they belong :D. | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2710 Posts
On November 26 2017 23:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote: it'll be interesting to see if this spooks any ATVI investors after EA stock tanked due to their loot box debacle. we're smack in the middle of XMas buying season. the last thing ATVI wants is the poking of any bears... or waking of any giants. all the people who bought pop tarts care. https://wccftech.com/destiny-2-players-feel-scammed-xp-gains/ ad hominem. has nothing to do with Destiny2 or what i'm talking about. I'll stick with it. Gentle observations of you before have shown me you're not the kind of person I care to interact with on any meaningful level anyhow. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
On November 27 2017 03:33 Fleetfeet wrote: I'll stick with it. Gentle observations of you before have shown me you're not the kind of person I care to interact with on any meaningful level anyhow. i employ too many facts and and too much logic. move along. | ||
digmouse
China6331 Posts
On November 26 2017 13:17 Fleetfeet wrote: I mean if you actually give a fuck you're crazy. Its numbers in a video game, "Power level" isn't really directly indicative of your power level either, and all it gives you is further pointless cosmetic stuff anyways. If you're really stuck on being the victim of corporate injustice, then I suppose this is a trumpet you can blow. The XP throttling absolutely matters, a lot even. They are deliberately hiding actual XP gains by giving you a false number. And they are not even admitting it, all they said was "it is not working as intended". When it comes to things that actually can be bought with real money, lying to your customers is NOT going to paint you a good image. Just think about how the Overwatch community will react if Blizzard displayed a false number on the post game exp bar. | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On November 27 2017 02:08 FeyFey wrote: kinda want destiny 2 removed from battlenet. I don't mind downscaling xp. But manipulating the ingame grind for lootboxes and hiding it is pretty evil. How is this related to bnet exactly? | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2710 Posts
On November 27 2017 03:52 digmouse wrote: The XP throttling absolutely matters, a lot even. They are deliberately hiding actual XP gains by giving you a false number. And they are not even admitting it, all they said was "it is not working as intended". When it comes to things that actually can be bought with real money, lying to your customers is NOT going to paint you a good image. Just think about how the Overwatch community will react if Blizzard displayed a false number on the post game exp bar. Iunno. Having played the game to some lengths, I don't feel like I was lied to. At no point did I get the understanding that I was supposed to get X number of of experience per level, and my only real indication of bright engram progress was an experience bar accompanied by numbers with no frame of reference. If it said I got 2,000 experience and the bar went up some portion, I felt safe to assume it went up the appropriate amount, given that it was 2,000 units of currency into a pool of undefined depth. After hitting level 20 and progressing through some bright engrams, I was equally left with the feeling that the gaining of bright engrams was not linear; The first few bright engrams seemed to come in a bit of play over a single session, whereas now they seem to come one in a couple of sessions, even with the weekly exp multiplier. Given that feeling, I assumed there was some sort of gradiated system to bright engrams or exp, even though I never bothered to do the math and figure it out. Lastly, what makes this relevant -at all- is the fact that you can pay real money for bright engrams. They're not valuable to the actual strength of your character (Which, aside from milestones that let you access new events or features is mostly irrelevant anyways) and only provide cosmetic benefits, or gentle increases to efficiency in what is almost immediately irrelevant farming. If you could not buy bright engrams for money, no-one would be crying that a company lied to them about the amount of fictitious currency (in this case exp) one portion of the game was claiming to give to them. It would be like if there was a cap on the amount of glimmer you could get in a set period of time. If you couldn't get more than 5k glimmer an hour, yet opening a box or killing an enemy still had a UI display that showed you accumulating currency, people wouldn't be fired up about being lied to. Tl;dr Is a company lying to you about something related to real money bad? Yes. Is Bungie outright lying about how much exp you earn? There's debate here. Is anyone justified in playing the victim of corporate injustice? I think most sane people will recognize how inconsequential this actually is, rather than grabbing their pitchforks. On November 27 2017 03:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i employ too many facts and and too much logic. move along. Nah, I don't think that's it. I think it's that you inject your ego into any debate you participate in, which leaves very little room for actual conversation. That said, I don't really pay attention to wtf you post because we don't cross paths often. I just remember reading some of the shit you wrote somewhere and thinking you weren't worth interacting with. There's something in here about internet warrior and/or internet bully, too, but I don't care enough to source that thought. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
ok. There are shades of gray here, it took me like 2-3 days of on and off playtime to get to lvl 20/205 and thats without trying, just doing the campaing/events And isn't lvl20+ just stuff like cosmetics ? like almost worthless ? If you are going to compare that to asking money to get more powerful then i dont want to live in this world anymore | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077PNBLQ8 | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
https://www.destinythegame.com/free-trial The Trial includes: Campaign Mission on EDZ & Titan Adventure and Explore two full worlds PvP Multiplayer: Crucible Quickplay Playlist Character Progression: to Level 7 Gameplay carries over to full game with purchase Clan Functionality it is a 40 GB download so it might scare a few people away ; i think its worth the download On November 27 2017 11:07 Fleetfeet wrote: Is anyone justified in playing the victim of corporate injustice? I think most sane people will recognize how inconsequential this actually is, rather than grabbing their pitchforks. the victim//perpetrator//injustice paradigm is off base. this is a customer//vendor relationship between players and bungie. some customers/players aint happy. Bungie/Vendor chose to deal with it. it appears some customers continue to be dissatisfied with how Bungie responded to XP throttling. Now, Bungie can choose to ignore it because its too small an issue or Bungie can choose to deal with it further. I think there is some kind of Wednesday fireside chat planned.. let's see if it comes up. On November 27 2017 11:07 Fleetfeet wrote: That said, I don't really pay attention to wtf you post because we don't cross paths often. I just remember reading some of the shit you wrote somewhere and thinking you weren't worth interacting with. There's something in here about internet warrior and/or internet bully, too, but I don't care enough to source that thought. i have no idea what this vague, meandering, off-topic yammering is all about so i'll stick to discussing destiny 2. | ||
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lestye
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22308 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
I think ATVI got spooked by the worry of "another Loot Box Debacle" and now ATVI is leaning on Bungie hard. ATVI doesn't want this thing interfering with XMAs sales. This thing is clearly fixable however If Bungie fucks this up and this idiocy leads to a 2 week consumer revolt against the Activision brand then heads at Bungie will roll. Activision is extremely protective of its brand. + Show Spoiler + Samuel Jackson is Activision. Chris Tucker is Bungie. | ||
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lestye
United States4208 Posts
I dont see how Activision is protective of their brand, people shit on Activision all the time when they do greedy shit, like what they did with Guitar Hero and all the shenanigans they did with the CoD4 remaster. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
On November 29 2017 09:25 lestye wrote: I dont see how Activision is protective of their brand, people shit on Activision all the time when they do greedy shit, like what they did with Guitar Hero and all the shenanigans they did with the CoD4 remaster. they don't always succeed in protecting their brand strength. However, ATVI/Kotick values brand strength very much. Kotick is a huge believer in brand strength. That is why he bought the Activision name and then merged with Blizzard. in 1991 the Activision brand was extremely strong when Kotick bought it. Activision had legendary status in that era. At the time of teh Blizzard merger Blizzard's brand was very very strong. Notice, Activision insta-fired the studio that made the last Guitar Hero. I'm confident Kotick can fire 5,000 employees in 1 day and get a full 8 hours sleep that same night. On November 29 2017 09:25 lestye wrote: As deceptive as I think it is, Its NOT that bad as reddit lead to believe, but the other problems and shortcomings of the game have people on complete edge. Its absolutely nothing compared to the awful bad press EA has gotten nonstop the last month or so. i think its possible for Bungie to dig itself out of the hole they put themselves in. its not going to be super easy, but i think they can do it. You know more about the Destiny franchise and fanbase than i do. what do you think? | ||
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lestye
United States4208 Posts
I think their brand has gotten better over the years, I think 10 years ago Bobby Kotick cared more about the bottom line, the internet HATED him 10 years ago, now he values happy communities and player engagement more than anything, which I think is good. I disagree with your assessment, I think Activision and Kotick know how important talent is to their company. Granted, that doesnt mean no one ever gets laid off or fired. i think its possible for Bungie to dig itself out of the hole they put themselves in. its not going to be super easy, but i think they can do it. Its for sure possible, Bungie still has a tremendous legacy and fanbase. They need to stop keeping everything so close to their chest. Like I think DTG had a great point yesterday, the game has been out for like 3 months and theres been close to no quality of life changes or even talking about it. I think thats a dangerous thing to have when they're constantly also having to sell DLC and expansions. Theres been kind of this meme in the Destiny community where like, because everything is 2 steps forward, 1 step back, there's always, this addon/sequel is "Destiny 1.0/Destiny 1.5" because theres always a big chunk missing. Obviously a focus of D2 was the story, but then there are other areas where its a complete regression from D1. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17486 Posts
On November 29 2017 10:02 lestye wrote: I don't see how it's "strong", in regards to brand, people don't go "oooo Activision" like other publishers/developers. How do you think they "protect their brand"? true they don't today. but they did in 1991 when Kotick forked over $90 million for the name. the company had little else but its reputation left when he bought it. When Blizzard merged with Activision ... Activision was basically buying the legendary status of Blizzard's brand strength in 2008. i'm not saying they have an extremely strong brand right now. i am saying Kotick dearly values that legendary brand strength his properties have sometimes had throughout their respective histories. in 1991 Kotick paid $90 million for all those fond memories that 27 year olds in their prime earning years had of Pitfall (1982), Ice Hockey(1981), River Raid(1982) and Chopper Command(1982). no one knows better than Kotick who has money to spend... and it ain't the 16 year olds. Kotick is more than willing to spend money to "buy" reputation. | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On November 29 2017 10:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote: true they don't today. but they did in 1991 when Kotick forked over $90 million for the name. the company had little else but its reputation left when he bought it. When Blizzard merged with Activision ... Activision was basically buying the legendary status of Blizzard's brand strength in 2008 as they did in 1991. i'm not saying they have an extremely strong brand right now. i am saying Kotick dearly values that legendary brand strength his properties have sometimes had throughout their respective histories. in 1991 Kotick paid $90 million for all those fond memories that 27 year olds in their prime earning years had of Pitfall, Ice Hockey, River Raid and Chopper Command. no one knows better than Kotick who has money to spend... and it ain't the 16 year olds. On November 29 2017 05:53 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i have no idea what this vague, meandering, off-topic yammering is all about so i'll stick to discussing destiny 2. ----- On November 29 2017 10:02 lestye wrote: Obviously a focus of D2 was the story, but then there are other areas where its a complete regression from D1. Wasn't the story pretty lacking too though? Unless you're strictly talking budget lol. I also agree that it's strange there's been little in the way of small changes or QoL stuff, just discussion/trailers for the DLC and that's it. I guess there was pvp stuff but | ||
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