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ZerOCoolSC2
9057 Posts
On January 13 2017 23:57 Faruko wrote: i mean, most nintendo games runs at 60fps that alone makes it a better console than the super (under)powered ps4 and ps4pro Are you serious? Are you taking into account the complexities of the games Sony and Microsoft developers are releasing? | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On January 14 2017 02:16 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: You're problem is that you and others are stuck at the Wii. You can't get past that. While Sony and Microsoft make money hand over fist with AMAZING game that deliver on everything Nintendo does and then some. You get maybe 5 core games from Nintendo every 2-3 years. Exclusives and new, game-changing content continues to pass you by. If all you want is a casual game every once in a while, use your cell phone. It's arguably just as good as everything Nintendo has put out since the Wii. If you think that the VAST majority of gamers are kids and casuals, you don't know the industry at all. GTA:V and Uncharted don't make the money they do and have the fan base they do because of casuals. They have that because of the hardcore gamer market. Nintendo lives and dies by Pokemon, Mario, and Zelda. Read this thread. Switch will be a success in Nintendo terms. But industry wide, I don't see if making the money it needs to, in order to justify Nintendo staying in the console/hybrid market. Good lord, your head is so far up the "omg hardcore gamers" butt it's hilarious. You talk about exclusives like it's something against Nintendo, when they make the best exclusives hands down. People don't buy a PS4 or XB1 just for the exclusives and feel good about their purchase. They do with Nintendo. The amount of 1st party games they put out is far more than 5/2-3 years, but a lot of them are on handhelds(even moreso with the poor WiiU showing). The Switch is replacing the 3DS so it will have all those exclusive to itself. The "casual gamers" makes up more of the player base than you realize, that's why the Wii sold so well. The handheld market is bigger than you realize, that's why the 3DS outsold the XB1 and PS4. The mobile market is nowhere near close enough to compete quality wise with Nintendo, who is in the mobile market now too. GTA:V is a non-factor, because you can just play that on the best system, PC. Uncharted is a great series, so don't get me wrong that I'm bashing it, but that came out in early May and sold 5.92m copies by December 3rd. Pokemon Sun and Moon came out in the middle of November and sold almost 8.38m copies, dwarfing Uncharted 4 in a little over 2 weeks. I think you need to take another look at the industry. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
The mobile market is a space dominated by F2P/microtransaction games, $5-15 indie games, and rereleases of 5-10 year old games from other systems. The mobile space isn't a space for a gamer that expects a full-length retail title, and is not a space on which such titles could really thrive. The space where the 3DS thrives is that developers can develop games with the content of a AAA console/PC release, but with the budget of a AA title due to the low hardware demands of the system. This is reflected in the $39.99 price point of basically all retail 3DS games. You couldn't make a game like Pokemon, Monster Hunter, or Fire Emblem thrive on a mobile platform because the mobile market isn't interested in paying $39.99 for what's essentially a AAA release for weaker hardware, but that's precisely the segment that the 3DS hits and also a segment that the Switch will be able to capture as well. There's a significant portion of the gaming population (even the "hardcore" gaming population) that simply isn't interested in the hardware/graphics rat race--PC and console hardware got "good enough" years ago, and paying overhead just to support developers making games with better graphics than people care about just isn't what a lot of gamers are interested in doing. This is why indie games have had such a surge of popularity across all systems over the last few years--you just don't need to pay $59.99 for a AAA retail game when all that gets you is better graphics. That said, the indie gaming scene is still a far cry from AAA titles in terms of content and overall polish, and this is where the Nintendo has made a place for itself bridging that gap--more modest hardware and graphics, but still retaining AAA content standards. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
btw, treehouse live | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On January 14 2017 03:24 TheYango wrote: The space where the 3DS thrives is that developers can develop games with the content of a AAA console/PC release, but with the budget of a AA title due to the low hardware demands of the system. This is reflected in the $39.99 price point of basically all retail 3DS games. You couldn't make a game like Pokemon, Monster Hunter, or Fire Emblem thrive on a mobile platform because the mobile market isn't interested in paying $39.99 for what's essentially a AAA release for weaker hardware, but that's precisely the segment that the 3DS hits and also a segment that the Switch will be able to capture as well. It will? Genuinely curious. Are developers going to make games that barely use any of the potential of the system or screen? I agree the 3ds thrived in a perfect environment, and it's the reason the 3ds is maybe my favorite console of the last like 15 years. The simplicity but fun of "simple" games like link between worlds, FE's, Fantasy life, mario 3d land are what is missing from games this day and age. I fear that will get lost when developers have far far more power, and people might have far more expectations. Not to mention games actually came OUT on the 3ds because of the lower budgets and costs. Has nintendo said anything about this? Also, the thing isn't very portable really... not compared to a 3ds. | ||
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yrba1
United States325 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 14 2017 03:44 DannyJ wrote: It will? Genuinely curious. Are developers going to make games that barely use any of the potential of the system or screen? That's up to Nintendo to decide by setting the standard with the it's own releases. One could argue that games that don't take advantage of the 3D features of the 3DS were "barely using any of the potential of the system", but Nintendo made it pretty clear with flagship titles like the FE or Pokemon games that games on the 3DS didn't need to use the 3D gimmick extensively to be successful. It'll be the same deal here--if Nintendo sets the standard, other developers will follow suit. If Nintendo had pushed the 3D gimmick more it's arguable that the 3DS would never have reached it's current level of success, especially given how finicky the 3D is on o3DS versions of the system. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
I cant remember a good launch since the SNES, is pretty much the norm nowadays to have weak launch games infact, best PS4/XB1 game was a port (BF4) launch window >>>>>>>> actual launch and with splatoon, MK8 and mario galaxy among a lot of other games, i think the switch has very good games for the time being | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
On January 14 2017 03:46 TheYango wrote: That's up to Nintendo to decide by setting the standard with the it's own releases. One could argue that games that don't take advantage of the 3D features of the 3DS were "barely using any of the potential of the system", but Nintendo made it pretty clear with flagship titles like the FE or Pokemon games that games on the 3DS didn't need to use the 3D gimmick extensively to be successful. It'll be the same deal here--if Nintendo sets the standard, other developers will follow suit. If Nintendo had pushed the 3D gimmick more it's arguable that the 3DS would never have reached it's current level of success, especially given how finicky the 3D is on o3DS versions of the system. You said it, 3d was a gimmick. There's a big difference between deciding not to use that and trying to find a balance between cost and expectation when developing on a AAA quality system. On January 14 2017 03:47 Faruko wrote: its pretty much a Vita, so why not ? We all know how that went... | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2583 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
yah it went horrible because sony wanted it to be horrible | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On January 14 2017 03:50 Faruko wrote: People say launch line up is weak I cant remember a good launch since the SNES, is pretty much the norm nowadays to have weak launch games infact, best PS4/XB1 game was a port (BF4) While I agree with everything you say that doesnt change the fact that Nintendo still has to give me as a consumer a reason to buy the system at launch. As much as I like that ability to get BotW on WiiU, it gives me no reason to buy the switch at all for months and months. As a consumer who owns a WiiU I see no reason to switch over for the known future. I'll get BotW for WiiU, don't have much of a reason to get MK8D. I can only hope that multiple worthwhile games are out by the time that SMO is out. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 14 2017 03:55 DannyJ wrote: You said it, 3d was a gimmick. There's a big difference between deciding not to use that and trying to find a balance between cost and expectation when developing on a AAA quality system. Expectations are driven entirely by Nintendo's first-party releases. This is a unique product of Nintendo's own ecosystem where they set the standards that other developers follow. Developers these days are quite conservative--they copy what other people have shown to be successful. If Nintendo shows that simple games can be successful on the Switch, others will follow suit. If they stick solely to releasing games that push the limits of the system, that's all we'll get from anyone else too. For my part, I'll be waiting for the first major price cut and the end of the 3DS life cycle before buying a Switch becomes a consideration. I don't think the Switch will have a particularly strong launch, I just don't think that dooms the system either. The Vita and the 3DS had similarly poor showings at launch, the difference is that Nintendo worked harder to make the 3DS succeed in the long run (while Sony basically treated the Vita as an expensive home console peripheral). | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On January 14 2017 01:37 TheYango wrote: Wii U's failure can't just be pinned on lack of launch titles, as the 3DS had a similarly poor launch library. Lack of marketing and stronger internal focus on pushing the 3DS are better explanations, IMO. The Switch was likely conceived in order to try and carry Nintendo's success with the 3DS to the home console space. Having one hybrid console to promote rather than two separate systems also makes life easier for Nintendo's marketing department. Regardless, the idea that Nintendo is out of touch or behind the times seems to disregard the fact that the 3DS outsold any of the current-generation home consoles by a fair margin. Nintendo is pretty clearly doing something right--just not the Wii U. IS isn't developing FEW so its unlikely to affect FE15's dev timeline. I think the WiiU was dead on arrival with the name. Everyone thought it was the control. I think most people still do, given the sales figures. The really, really important thing is going to be how easy it is to port 3DS titles over to the Switch. If it's fairly straight forward, there's going to be a lot of back catalogs that are suddenly going to become valuable. In the Switch'ing demo, it's playing Zelda @ 1080p/60hz. That's all that's important for TV-based gaming. That's the big play from Nintendo. This is a huge bridge between their IPs because they can now put similar games on Handheld & Console at the same time. The Switch sits at the saturation-level of output that's needed to make most stuff work for the normal consumer, which is what matters. By the time we get the Switch 2, it'll handle 4k/60hz just fine. (There's been a huge amount of advancement of performances in the ARM space because of smart phones.) 4K TVs look to only make up about 25% of world-wide sales last year, with what looks like forecasts for around 33% in 2017. So Nintendo managed to wait it out long enough that they can run a Handheld off the TV at acceptable levels. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States2583 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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