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Grettin
42417 Posts
On January 13 2017 22:15 Ayaz2810 wrote: I ask this in all honesty: am I the only one who isn't the least bit excited?. You aren't. It is important to get Nintendo back in the console market, but definitely not like this. They didn't seem to learn anything from Wii/WiiU or from Sony/Xbox. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4558 Posts
On January 13 2017 22:15 Ayaz2810 wrote: I ask this in all honesty: am I the only one who isn't the least bit excited? I bought a Wii (sadly the biggest highlights that i recall are Wii sports bowling and paper mario), I bought a WiiU (mario 3d world and mario kart are the only games that stick out to me here), and both my kids have 3DSs (hate handhelds. no public transportation or any good time to use one. otherwise you look like a real creep sitting in a university class playing pokemon on a ds). I have been with Nintendo since the NES, but this Switch business doesn't do anything for me. I'm tired of the gimmicky controls and the whole conse/tablet thing. I guess most people would call it important progress in console development, but to me it feels forced like the 3D TV bullshit that never caught on. Well no, you won't be the only one. My main reason for buying new Nintendo systems is to keep up with my favourite franchises. I bought the DS specifically to play Golden Sun 3 (what a disappointment), Wii U for Smash 4, and 2DS to play Zelda: Link between worlds. So I'll buy the switch eventually, not because I'm excited about the new developments in console land, but because I want to play my favourite games. What I'm most excited about is the fact that I will only have to buy 1 new system in the near future xD. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3437 Posts
The Wii, DS, and 3DS were astonishing successes. The Wii U was a failure only because it had terrible launch titles (no Zelda game, no Mario Party, no Mario Kart, no Metroid, etc.). That is really the only reason. The Switch is going to have great launch titles, so in all likelihood it's going to be a smashing success. | ||
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Brett
Australia3823 Posts
The WiiU I own is a complete doorstop and this seems exactly the same; no real support for upcoming releases of other companies... Just the usual suspects. The portability is a total non-factor for me. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3437 Posts
On January 13 2017 22:53 Brett wrote: The WiiU I own is a complete doorstop and this seems exactly the same; no real support for upcoming releases of other companies... Just the usual suspects. So what exactly are Bethesda, Ubisoft, EA, Square Enix...? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On January 13 2017 23:01 LightSpectra wrote: So what exactly are Bethesda, Ubisoft, EA, Square Enix...? I can understand if tentative customers would shy away from only seeing Skyrim, FIFA, and octopuss somethingorother from those developers. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9070 Posts
On January 13 2017 22:44 LightSpectra wrote: I swear, Internet commentators are so out of touch it's laughable. Only a very tiny portion of people care about specs, because you don't play specs, you play games. And Nintendo's games are far and away superior to anything exclusive to Sony and Microsoft. The Wii, DS, and 3DS were astonishing successes. The Wii U was a failure only because it had terrible launch titles (no Zelda game, no Mario Party, no Mario Kart, no Metroid, etc.). That is really the only reason. The Switch is going to have great launch titles, so in all likelihood it's going to be a smashing success. Um, no they are not. They expect progress and actual evidence that the developer/maker of their favorite systems/games are moving along with society. If expecting, in 2017, that you're console is at least on par with the other as to create a good diversity of competition is out of touch, then I don't know what to tell you. Nintendo has the nostalgia factor going for it. That's it. Sony and Microsoft (to a lesser degree, possibly) are listening to the hardcore gamers, the ones that will spend the money to buy the systems and games they release. The stories are there. The specs are there. The attention to what gamers ask for is there. I haven't played a Nintendo religiously since the SNES. Edit: You bring up games. I'm pretty sure you're trolling at this point, but would you please provide evidence that Nintendo has better games than Microsoft? We know they don't beat Sony. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
On January 13 2017 23:41 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Um, no they are not. They expect progress and actual evidence that the developer/maker of their favorite systems/games are moving along with society. If expecting, in 2017, that you're console is at least on par with the other as to create a good diversity of competition is out of touch, then I don't know what to tell you. Nintendo has the nostalgia factor going for it. That's it. Sony and Microsoft (to a lesser degree, possibly) are listening to the hardcore gamers, the ones that will spend the money to buy the systems and games they release. The stories are there. The specs are there. The attention to what gamers ask for is there. I haven't played a Nintendo religiously since the SNES. Edit: You bring up games. I'm pretty sure you're trolling at this point, but would you please provide evidence that Nintendo has better games than Microsoft? We know they don't beat Sony. sorry the console market is completely made up of the casual low investment demographic. the platform for hardcore gamers will always be PC. people are never going to buy a nintendo console because of hardware or 3rd party support. it's always gonna be for nintendo titles and gameplay which this seems to be coming out strong with | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3437 Posts
On January 13 2017 23:41 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Um, no they are not. They expect progress and actual evidence that the developer/maker of their favorite systems/games are moving along with society. If expecting, in 2017, that you're console is at least on par with the other as to create a good diversity of competition is out of touch, then I don't know what to tell you. Nintendo has the nostalgia factor going for it. That's it. Sony and Microsoft (to a lesser degree, possibly) are listening to the hardcore gamers, the ones that will spend the money to buy the systems and games they release. The stories are there. The specs are there. The attention to what gamers ask for is there. I haven't played a Nintendo religiously since the SNES. Edit: You bring up games. I'm pretty sure you're trolling at this point, but would you please provide evidence that Nintendo has better games than Microsoft? We know they don't beat Sony. You're really out of touch -- just as out of touch as every person who swears the next Mac or iPhone are going to crash and burn because of their specs and price. Here's the reality of the matter: the vast majority of the human race does not give a tinker's curse about specs. They want to play fun games like Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Animal Crossing, Star Fox, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Smash Bros, and Donkey Kong. Roll your eyes and cry "nostalgia blindness" all you want, but those people collectively have a lot more money to spend than hardcore gamers. That's why the Wii and the DS were explosive successes, and the equivalent Sony/MSFT generations were duds in comparison. That's also why the Wii U, which had no traditional Zelda game and most of the others came out years after launch, was a failure. I predict the Switch is going to be an explosive success. | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
that alone makes it a better console than the super (under)powered ps4 and ps4pro | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3437 Posts
Can your criticism also be applied to the Wii or the DS? If so, why were those two consoles explosive successes but you think the Switch won't be? | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
Right from the start the switch got the idea to the masses in a much better way, right from the get go people knew what they might be buying into. As long as nintendo can keep a decent stream of games and generate demand for the switch (based on good marketing), people will buy and 3rd party games will be on it. In fact, the whole nosense of 3rd party games not selling on nintendo consoles is pretty bullshit, the DS, 3DS and Wii all had games with great sales from 3rd party publishers, the WiiU was a disaster all around, even nintendo games felt the blow. Im a believer that most products are as succesful as the company made them out to be, generate a demand, generate the need for the product and people will come to it... Dual screens, motion controllers, 3d without glasses (after a decent price cut because that shit was expensive as fuck lol), all gimmicks that nintendo made them interesting. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
Surprised Nintendo is making BoI:Afterbirth a thing on their console, let alone a launch title. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On January 13 2017 22:44 LightSpectra wrote: The Wii, DS, and 3DS were astonishing successes. The Wii U was a failure only because it had terrible launch titles (no Zelda game, no Mario Party, no Mario Kart, no Metroid, etc.). That is really the only reason. The Switch is going to have great launch titles, so in all likelihood it's going to be a smashing success. Wii U's failure can't just be pinned on lack of launch titles, as the 3DS had a similarly poor launch library. Lack of marketing and stronger internal focus on pushing the 3DS are better explanations, IMO. The Switch was likely conceived in order to try and carry Nintendo's success with the 3DS to the home console space. Having one hybrid console to promote rather than two separate systems also makes life easier for Nintendo's marketing department. Regardless, the idea that Nintendo is out of touch or behind the times seems to disregard the fact that the 3DS outsold any of the current-generation home consoles by a fair margin. Nintendo is pretty clearly doing something right--just not the Wii U. On January 14 2017 01:18 Cricketer12 wrote: I just hope FE: Warriors doesn't cause a giant delay in FE15's release. As horribly dull as dynasty warriors is though, fe content is still fe content. IS isn't developing FEW so its unlikely to affect FE15's dev timeline. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
9070 Posts
On January 13 2017 23:54 LightSpectra wrote: You're really out of touch -- just as out of touch as every person who swears the next Mac or iPhone are going to crash and burn because of their specs and price. Here's the reality of the matter: the vast majority of the human race does not give a tinker's curse about specs. They want to play fun games like Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Animal Crossing, Star Fox, Mario Kart, Mario Party, Smash Bros, and Donkey Kong. Roll your eyes and cry "nostalgia blindness" all you want, but those people collectively have a lot more money to spend than hardcore gamers. That's why the Wii and the DS were explosive successes, and the equivalent Sony/MSFT generations were duds in comparison. That's also why the Wii U, which had no traditional Zelda game and most of the others came out years after launch, was a failure. I predict the Switch is going to be an explosive success. You're problem is that you and others are stuck at the Wii. You can't get past that. While Sony and Microsoft make money hand over fist with AMAZING game that deliver on everything Nintendo does and then some. You get maybe 5 core games from Nintendo every 2-3 years. Exclusives and new, game-changing content continues to pass you by. If all you want is a casual game every once in a while, use your cell phone. It's arguably just as good as everything Nintendo has put out since the Wii. If you think that the VAST majority of gamers are kids and casuals, you don't know the industry at all. GTA:V and Uncharted don't make the money they do and have the fan base they do because of casuals. They have that because of the hardcore gamer market. Nintendo lives and dies by Pokemon, Mario, and Zelda. Read this thread. Switch will be a success in Nintendo terms. But industry wide, I don't see if making the money it needs to, in order to justify Nintendo staying in the console/hybrid market. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
I was expecting either a good hardware surprise, or at least one game that we didn't know of to keep me hyped. First isn't going to happen evidently, and I guess Splatoon 2 is nice? Would have been an instant buy with a Monster Hunter announced, but with most of the interesting games (for me) not even coming out right at release, I might wait on the Switch a bit. Zelda isn't enough to make me buy it Day 1. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3437 Posts
On January 14 2017 02:16 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: You're problem is that you and others are stuck at the Wii. You can't get past that. While Sony and Microsoft make money hand over fist with AMAZING game that deliver on everything Nintendo does and then some. You get maybe 5 core games from Nintendo every 2-3 years. Exclusives and new, game-changing content continues to pass you by. If all you want is a casual game every once in a while, use your cell phone. It's arguably just as good as everything Nintendo has put out since the Wii. If you think that the VAST majority of gamers are kids and casuals, you don't know the industry at all. GTA:V and Uncharted don't make the money they do and have the fan base they do because of casuals. They have that because of the hardcore gamer market. Nintendo lives and dies by Pokemon, Mario, and Zelda. Read this thread. Switch will be a success in Nintendo terms. But industry wide, I don't see if making the money it needs to, in order to justify Nintendo staying in the console/hybrid market. "While Sony and Microsoft make money hand over fist with AMAZING game that deliver on everything Nintendo does and then some." rofl. Wii sales: 100 million (at a profit), 900 million games Xbox 360 sales: 80 million (at a loss), 350 million games PS3 sales: 80 million (at a loss), 600 million games DS sales: 150 million (at a profit), 940 million games PSP sales: 80 million (at a loss), 330 million games Vita sales: 4 million (at a loss), 40 million games 3DS sales: 61 million (at a profit), 240 million games With the exception of the Wii U, for the last two generations, Nintendo has absolutely kicked the ass of Sony and Microsoft. You'd have to be blind to ignore that. So all I'm asking now is: Any criticism you have of the Switch, does it also apply to the DS or Wii? If so, what's so different now than ten years ago? | ||
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