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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
March 15 2016 08:33 GMT
#121
The commentators board doesn't match the live game board... it bugs me out! :o

Also, I have no idea how he is calculating those points... But he just said that alphaGo may have a slight advantage. Very close though it seems.
Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
March 15 2016 09:01 GMT
#122
Gg.
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Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-15 09:06:00
March 15 2016 09:05 GMT
#123
Lee resigns just a few moves away from the end (I think?) so we don't get an official count. Seems like alphaGo was winning by just a few points, but that is how it plays apparently: win small, lose big.

alphaGo beats Lee 4-1: WWWLW.

ggs.

press conference up next.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-15 09:28:10
March 15 2016 09:28 GMT
#124
well Lee might go down in the history of mankind as the only human being to ever beat Alphago ... i guess that's an achievement
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
March 15 2016 09:39 GMT
#125
On March 15 2016 18:28 nayumi wrote:
well Lee might go down in the history of mankind as the only human being to ever beat Alphago ... i guess that's an achievement

Good point. The last human to take a map from the best computer.
Railgan
Profile Joined August 2010
Switzerland1510 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-16 09:26:30
March 16 2016 09:26 GMT
#126
On March 15 2016 18:39 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2016 18:28 nayumi wrote:
well Lee might go down in the history of mankind as the only human being to ever beat Alphago ... i guess that's an achievement

Good point. The last human to take a map from the best computer.

And in 2 years people will say: "But [insert current champion] could beat Alphago no problem. Lee just played bad."
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Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
March 16 2016 13:37 GMT
#127
On March 16 2016 18:26 Railgan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2016 18:39 Cascade wrote:
On March 15 2016 18:28 nayumi wrote:
well Lee might go down in the history of mankind as the only human being to ever beat Alphago ... i guess that's an achievement

Good point. The last human to take a map from the best computer.

And in 2 years people will say: "But [insert current champion] could beat Alphago no problem. Lee just played bad."

Ke Jie in China is already claiming that he can beat it. I really hope Google takes up that challenge. My money is on AlphaGo.
Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
March 19 2016 23:11 GMT
#128
On March 12 2016 21:11 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2016 20:41 rabidch wrote:
On March 12 2016 11:49 PhoenixVoid wrote:
A relevant read for the site.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/google-deepmind-could-play-starcraft-2016-3



"'StarCraft,' I think, is our likely next target," Google Senior Fellow Jeff Dean said at today's Structure Data event in San Francisco.

...

"The thing about Go is obviously you can see everything on the board, so that makes it slightly easier for computers," Google DeepMind founder Demis Hassabis told The Verge recently.

Meanwhile, games like "StarCraft" and its sequel keep your opponents' moves largely secret, at least until you come in to conflict — skilled players watch closely for clues as to their opponents' strategy and try to anticipate their next move.

"You have to keep track of things happening off the screen," Dean says.

It means that Google's DeepMind would have a brand-new challenge of trying to outguess their opponent, and react if and when they come up with something totally crazy. It would test a new set of skills for artificial intelligence.


Though I wouldn't take it as an absolute promise until we get confirmation.

very amazed that jeff dean of all people is talking about starcraft as the next target.

google trying to destroy korean esports???


Give Flash couple of months to get back to form and BO5 against AlphaGo. Yes please.

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Who am i kidding. Even EffOrt or Bisu would be enough

I would love to see Flash playing Go.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 30 2017 05:34 GMT
#129
Bump!!!



Also there is apparently a new version of AlphaGo called AlphaGo Zero.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaGo_Zero
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1717 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-30 10:45:14
November 30 2017 10:44 GMT
#130
On November 30 2017 14:34 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Bump!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tq1C8spV_g

Also there is apparently a new version of AlphaGo called AlphaGo Zero.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaGo_Zero

Amazing. Completely self taught? 100% artificial intelligence?
Had a fascination for Go since reading and watching HnG. Amazing that this is actually happening today when all I could read back then was how it was yet impossible for computers to beat humans in Go.
So computers will be the first to achieve the hand of god...
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 07 2017 18:30 GMT
#131
AlphaZero, the game-playing AI created by Google sibling DeepMind, has beaten the world’s best chess-playing computer program, having taught itself how to play in under four hours.

The repurposed AI, which has repeatedly beaten the world’s best Go players as AlphaGo, has been generalised so that it can now learn other games. It took just four hours to learn the rules to chess before beating the world champion chess program, Stockfish 8, in a 100-game match up.

AlphaZero won or drew all 100 games, according to a non-peer-reviewed research paper published with Cornell University Library’s arXiv.

“Starting from random play, and given no domain knowledge except the game rules, AlphaZero achieved within 24 hours a superhuman level of play in the games of chess and shogi [a similar Japanese board game] as well as Go, and convincingly defeated a world-champion program in each case,” said the paper’s authors that include DeepMind founder Demis Hassabis, who was a child chess prodigy reaching master standard at the age of 13.

“It’s a remarkable achievement, even if we should have expected it after AlphaGo,” former world chess champion Garry Kasparov told Chess.com. “We have always assumed that chess required too much empirical knowledge for a machine to play so well from scratch, with no human knowledge added at all.”

Computer programs have been able to beat the best human chess players ever since IBM’s Deep Blue supercomputer defeated Kasparov on 12 May 1997.

DeepMind said the difference between AlphaZero and its competitors is that its machine-learning approach is given no human input apart from the basic rules of chess. The rest it works out by playing itself over and over with self-reinforced knowledge. The result, according to DeepMind, is that AlphaZero took an “arguably more human-like approach” to the search for moves, processing around 80,000 positions per second in chess compared to Stockfish 8’s 70m.

After winning 25 games of chess versus Stockfish 8 starting as white, with first-mover advantage, a further three starting with black and drawing a further 72 games, AlphaZero also learned shogi in two hours before beating the leading program Elmo in a 100-game matchup. AlphaZero won 90 games, lost eight and drew 2.

The new generalised AlphaZero was also able to beat the “super human” former version of itself AlphaGo at the Chinese game of Go after only eight-hours of self-training, winning 60 games and losing 40 games.

While experts said the results are impressive, and have potential across a wide-range of applications to complement human knowledge, professor Joanna Bryson, a computer scientist and AI researcher at the University of Bath, warned that it was “still a discrete task”.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
December 14 2017 19:54 GMT
#132
After reading up on the research around Alphago and its subsequent iterations, it feels like the framework can be generalized to solve most discrete decision making problems.

It can also be used to evaluate if a game is balanced or not. I'd love to see it applied to other games such as Hearthstone, Poker, etc in future iterations.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
December 14 2017 20:07 GMT
#133
It's going to learn to use 75 seconds on every Hearthstone turn until the other guy quits.
Glacierz
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
December 15 2017 14:51 GMT
#134
Haha, I think having it learn to play the game optimally is far less interesting than making the best deck, both in arena and constructed.
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3579 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-22 01:34:46
December 22 2017 01:34 GMT
#135
On December 15 2017 04:54 Glacierz wrote:
After reading up on the research around Alphago and its subsequent iterations, it feels like the framework can be generalized to solve most discrete decision making problems.

It can also be used to evaluate if a game is balanced or not. I'd love to see it applied to other games such as Hearthstone, Poker, etc in future iterations.


as far as my understanding goes, we might be getting much further ahead than that, and getting to the point of being able to solve *most* simulatable games
check out their atari attack which is where it first got really interesting (inputs = pixels on screen only)

100% certain that they can use the same framework to solve poker and ALOT of similar games within that realm (hearthstone included)
though solving hearthstone will be of course, not quite as interesting haha

also, i use the word "solve" tentatively in the way that alphazero is "solving" chess and go
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10894 Posts
December 22 2017 01:51 GMT
#136
This is amazing wow.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-22 13:47:54
December 22 2017 13:47 GMT
#137
Heads up the AlphaGo documentary will be on Netflix January 1st.

http://www.imdb.com/streaming/netflix-january-2018/ls027295189/mediaviewer/rm4129634048
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
January 02 2018 05:29 GMT
#138
Documentary is now up. Just finished it, was amazing. Loved the footage of the Korean commentators especially during the first game where Lee was blocked by AlphaGo for the first time the woman was outraged "How dare it interrupt him!" was hilarious.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3579 Posts
January 02 2018 15:21 GMT
#139
Watched it, was great!

What's absolutely incredible is how much simpler alpha zero is compared to it's previous iterations, and yet it is many orders of magnitude stronger (To give you an idea, it crushes the lee version 100-0)

This step is just as huge of an achievement as alpha go itself, and is essentially a fair claim that deepmind have an algorithm that "solves" a big portion of all conceivable games within reason
ItsFunToLose
Profile Joined December 2010
United States776 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-02 16:29:42
January 02 2018 16:20 GMT
#140
No (man-made) computer will ever beat me in a game of Rocket League 1v1 hoops taking exclusively pixels as input(ie, not hooked deep into the game logic itself granting it obscene levels of predictive omniscience.)

I submit readily to the idea that I currently exist within the framework of a quantum computer universe, and that it is simulating a fraction of the current population and that I have already lost games of Rocket League to such an advanced intelligence.

"skillshots are inherently out of your control whether they hit or not" -PrinceXizor
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