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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
On July 28 2016 10:19 Duka08 wrote: Here's some AiAi Juri as well, to add to the pile. He was a great Juri player in SF4, was in top 8 at evo 2015 I believe? Aye, he was. 5th place. | ||
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SwARmZzz
Canada193 Posts
Lmao? Really? I guess he is really butthurt that Infiltration hasn't travelled to Canada cup in ages... Anyone else hear about this story? | ||
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Toolshed
337 Posts
In training mode I do the following setup: P1 Juri P2 Ken Ken = guard all Kens guard recovery action = mp DP (= 4 frames startup) Now as Juri I perform two actions: 1. lp DP (-3 on block) -> Distance doesn't matter because Juri is -3 on block so she won't get hit by Ken's mp DP 2. cr.mk -> lp DP -> in this case Juri gets hit by Ken's DP every time, although it should be -3 on block (?!) Why do I get hit by Ken's DP with cr.mk but not if I do Juri's lp DP on its own (without starting with cr.mk). Do properties change or something if I do a combo? I end my action with the same move. Why does it behave differently on block? | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
1) Juri's lp DP is two hits, IIRC, and it's only -3 when the second one hits. cr.Mk might space her so only the first hit connects. 2) cr.mk -> lp DP isn't a true blockstring, and the DP is coming out after the cr.mk. Juri's pinwheel is only upper body invincible so you get hit. | ||
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Toolshed
337 Posts
 1) I tried different spacings. Even if I do it in the corner directly next to Ken I get DPed with cr.mk but not without. If I remove Guard ALL I get all 3 hits on Attack Data. I also see and hear 3 block animations. I think all 3 hits connect. 2) Ken's DP definately comes out after the pinwheel. I also don't get a "counter" hit indacator, just a normal reversal. So I guess it's a true blockstring. I might just be missing something (since I'm kinda new to this whole FG stuff) but right now I'm totaly confused :D | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12281 Posts
On August 05 2016 23:43 Toolshed wrote: can someone please explain this to me: In training mode I do the following setup: P1 Juri P2 Ken Ken = guard all Kens guard recovery action = mp DP (= 4 frames startup) Now as Juri I perform two actions: 1. lp DP (-3 on block) -> Distance doesn't matter because Juri is -3 on block so she won't get hit by Ken's mp DP 2. cr.mk -> lp DP -> in this case Juri gets hit by Ken's DP every time, although it should be -3 on block (?!) Why do I get hit by Ken's DP with cr.mk but not if I do Juri's lp DP on its own (without starting with cr.mk). Do properties change or something if I do a combo? I end my action with the same move. Why does it behave differently on block? When you do cr.mk lp DP, is Ken crouchblocking the DP too? Crouching hurtboxes are wider and shorter than standing, so the spacing and height will be a little bit different. Does Ken's DP always hit when you do raw lp DP if he is set to crouch block? | ||
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Toolshed
337 Posts
On August 06 2016 01:25 Excalibur_Z wrote: When you do cr.mk lp DP, is Ken crouchblocking the DP too? Crouching hurtboxes are wider and shorter than standing, so the spacing and height will be a little bit different. Does Ken's DP always hit when you do raw lp DP if he is set to crouch block? This is it! If I set Ken to always crouch I get hit even if I do raw lp DP. Why would they do that, though?! I don't understand who's frame data is changed if Ken crouchblocks. Is Juri's lp DP changed to (let's say) -10 on block or is Ken's DP changed so it has faster startup? Also why is there no frame data available in general for crouching opponents then? Doesn't that also mean that I would be better off crouchblocking all the time instead of standblocking? Now I'm even more confused Thanks, though! | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
So the fact that Ken actually can punish when he DOES crouch block and NOT with stand block leads me to believe it's probably hitbox fuckery. I might try it out myself later. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12281 Posts
What happens in fighting games is that each hit of each move has a certain amount of blockstun and hitstun when it interacts with the opponent. Each move has an animation that takes a certain amount of time in frames, and the length of time that the opponent cannot interact with the game differs when hitting or being blocked. Let's say I use a move similar to Ryu's Solar Plexus Strike (f+hp). If hit #1 has blockstun of 20 frames and hitstun of 23 frames and has 21 frames of recovery and 3 active frames, then if it connects on the first active frame it would be +2 on hit, -1 on block. If it connects on the second active frame it would be +3 on hit, 0 on block. If it connects on the third active frame, it would be +4 on hit, +1 on block. If hit #2 has blockstun of 15, hitstun of 20, recovery of 20 and 2 active frames, then connecting on the first active frame would make it -5 on block, 0 on hit. Connecting on the second active frame would make it -4 on block, +1 on hit. What happens with multi-hit moves is that only the last hit's frame data applies. They don't stack. If you had a multi-hit move that's +100 on block for the first hit and -100 on block for the second, then the end result is that it's -100 on block. The frame data for the move doesn't change, it remains constant throughout. I can only guess what's happening in this specific case though. It sounds like the wider crouching hurtbox makes the last hit connect slightly earlier (if it's actually connecting at all and not whiffing?), which makes it less safe. | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
Man I'm sure sucking. I can do things well when facing left but facing right it's a totally different story. I can do fireballs and DPs ok but 2XQCF motions I'm literally finding impossible to do. Really odd that the two different sides with stick use basically totally difffernt motions and muscles, unlike pad. As frustrating as it is though I'm having fun with it. That was the main point of getting a stick. I sure as shit knew it wouldn't make me better, quite the opposite, and I think it will be fun slowly improving. On pad I kind of plateaued in the mid gold area and I really don't have the time or ambition to make the next step. Now I've kind of reset my goals. I think for a while ill struggle beating bronzes when facing right... | ||
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DannyJ
United States5110 Posts
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aseq
Netherlands4025 Posts
You're wrong  . Facing right is fine, facing left is what's the problem, haha. | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On August 08 2016 22:00 aseq wrote: You're wrong . Facing right is fine, facing left is what's the problem, haha.Actually I'm the opposite as well. I have more consistency and speed doing some motions, especially QCFQCF, facing left than I do facing right. It's so interesting how everyone picks it up differently! Lots of times I might get stuck or frustrated on a weird set of specials in trial mode or something (in several games, not really SFV..) and switch to the 2P side and have better luck. FADC in SF4 was tricky though because dashing right is easier, so 1P side easier to FADC but 2P side easier to do motions for me D: so many dropped ultras.... | ||
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rebdomine
6040 Posts
I felt like selling the stick after an hour of so of frustration lol. Just stuck with it cause I really wanted to be able to play at the local arcade. Took me a while to get a comfortable grip even. My wrists used to hurt after a couple of hours using the stick because I was doing it all wrong. | ||
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Duka08
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
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Dizmaul
United States831 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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