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On July 18 2016 14:15 Nakajin wrote:
3 time evo champ?
Did he won in another game?
sfxt, sfiv, sfv i think
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Download complete motherfuckers
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DOWNROAD COMPRETE
I'm not sure if I can handle this level of thuggery!
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On July 18 2016 14:03 Artok wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2016 14:01 diehilde wrote:On July 18 2016 13:56 Artok wrote:On July 18 2016 13:55 diehilde wrote:
Is it just me or is this evo top 8 not even remotely close in hype levels to last year? Not gonna lie, I might be biased because I like SF4 a lot more, but I feel some of the reasons this is comparably boring are pretty objective. Character diversity is horrible (tons of mirrors vs. character switching within single matches last year), the crowd is almost not hearable, Seth/Jchen way more hype than Sajam/Jchen, excessive amounts of reverb on the commentators, less non asian crowd favorites... How are people that like SF5 as much as SF4 feeling about this years hype? nobody is gonna pull out crazy counterpicks and shit 5 months after the game came out, check vanilla sf4 first tournaments for comparison, those were goddamn horrible I realize that, but I think its still legitimate to compare the viewing experience of evo 2015 top 8 with 2016 top 8 and see how people feel about it. Last year was so great that chen and seth both friggin cried at the end, even I shed a tear at home. Im willing to bet nobody is gonna cry on stream this year. people cried because it was last evo of a game that revived fgc, if there was no sfv everyone woulda just cried about elena being busted not to mention, no1 cried when infil destroyed sfiv for the whole year either, just ban infiltration!
Well, I also realize that it being the last year for sfIV was a huge factor for the emotions but I feel like you guys are missing my point. I was just wondering if it was me liking 4 over 5 that makes this feel boring in comparison or if other people that actually like 5 are feeling the same way. The fact that nobody is even disputing that last year was way more hype and are just stating more reasons as to why that is the case in a kind of apologetic fashion more than answers my question though.
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Oh man Infil talking up returning to streaming on the world stage
That shit aint esports, there's gonna be A NUMBER OF SHOCKED VIEWERS
I love this guy
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I enjoyed the first two days more. The game is pretty fun to watch, just unfortunate that got the matchups we got today. I really don't like the way Mika plays. The game is going to get better once more new characters get released and people figure out how the new characters play.
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On July 18 2016 14:18 diehilde wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2016 14:03 Artok wrote:On July 18 2016 14:01 diehilde wrote:On July 18 2016 13:56 Artok wrote:On July 18 2016 13:55 diehilde wrote:
Is it just me or is this evo top 8 not even remotely close in hype levels to last year? Not gonna lie, I might be biased because I like SF4 a lot more, but I feel some of the reasons this is comparably boring are pretty objective. Character diversity is horrible (tons of mirrors vs. character switching within single matches last year), the crowd is almost not hearable, Seth/Jchen way more hype than Sajam/Jchen, excessive amounts of reverb on the commentators, less non asian crowd favorites... How are people that like SF5 as much as SF4 feeling about this years hype? nobody is gonna pull out crazy counterpicks and shit 5 months after the game came out, check vanilla sf4 first tournaments for comparison, those were goddamn horrible I realize that, but I think its still legitimate to compare the viewing experience of evo 2015 top 8 with 2016 top 8 and see how people feel about it. Last year was so great that chen and seth both friggin cried at the end, even I shed a tear at home. Im willing to bet nobody is gonna cry on stream this year. people cried because it was last evo of a game that revived fgc, if there was no sfv everyone woulda just cried about elena being busted not to mention, no1 cried when infil destroyed sfiv for the whole year either, just ban infiltration! Well, I also realize that it being the last year for sfIV was a huge factor for the emotions but I feel like you guys are missing my point. I was just wondering if it was me liking 4 over 5 that makes this feel boring in comparison or if other people that actually like 5 are feeling the same way. The fact that nobody is even disputing that last year was way more hype and are just stating more reasons as to why that is the case in a kind of apologetic fashion more than answers my question though.
i like 5 over 4 anyday, hell, after vanilla released i stopped playing sf until ae 2012 because it was such a pile of shit compared to 3s, so im just holding my biased opinion back. And what answer do you expect? most of the hype is because it was a last evo of 8 years old game, theres nothing else and no, if sfiv was released that year everyone would just bitch about elena and call sleep fighter dead series.
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surprised there is no video at the end of evo from capcom
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United States15275 Posts
On July 18 2016 14:18 diehilde wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2016 14:03 Artok wrote:On July 18 2016 14:01 diehilde wrote:On July 18 2016 13:56 Artok wrote:On July 18 2016 13:55 diehilde wrote:
Is it just me or is this evo top 8 not even remotely close in hype levels to last year? Not gonna lie, I might be biased because I like SF4 a lot more, but I feel some of the reasons this is comparably boring are pretty objective. Character diversity is horrible (tons of mirrors vs. character switching within single matches last year), the crowd is almost not hearable, Seth/Jchen way more hype than Sajam/Jchen, excessive amounts of reverb on the commentators, less non asian crowd favorites... How are people that like SF5 as much as SF4 feeling about this years hype? nobody is gonna pull out crazy counterpicks and shit 5 months after the game came out, check vanilla sf4 first tournaments for comparison, those were goddamn horrible I realize that, but I think its still legitimate to compare the viewing experience of evo 2015 top 8 with 2016 top 8 and see how people feel about it. Last year was so great that chen and seth both friggin cried at the end, even I shed a tear at home. Im willing to bet nobody is gonna cry on stream this year. people cried because it was last evo of a game that revived fgc, if there was no sfv everyone woulda just cried about elena being busted not to mention, no1 cried when infil destroyed sfiv for the whole year either, just ban infiltration! Well, I also realize that it being the last year for sfIV was a huge factor for the emotions but I feel like you guys are missing my point. I was just wondering if it was me liking 4 over 5 that makes this feel boring in comparison or if other people that actually like 5 are feeling the same way. The fact that nobody is even disputing that last year was way more hype and are just stating more reasons as to why that is the case in a kind of apologetic fashion more than answers my question though.
Why are you treating this like a big deal? Hype is not a linear thing that increases with time.
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On July 18 2016 14:22 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2016 14:18 diehilde wrote:On July 18 2016 14:03 Artok wrote:On July 18 2016 14:01 diehilde wrote:On July 18 2016 13:56 Artok wrote:On July 18 2016 13:55 diehilde wrote:
Is it just me or is this evo top 8 not even remotely close in hype levels to last year? Not gonna lie, I might be biased because I like SF4 a lot more, but I feel some of the reasons this is comparably boring are pretty objective. Character diversity is horrible (tons of mirrors vs. character switching within single matches last year), the crowd is almost not hearable, Seth/Jchen way more hype than Sajam/Jchen, excessive amounts of reverb on the commentators, less non asian crowd favorites... How are people that like SF5 as much as SF4 feeling about this years hype? nobody is gonna pull out crazy counterpicks and shit 5 months after the game came out, check vanilla sf4 first tournaments for comparison, those were goddamn horrible I realize that, but I think its still legitimate to compare the viewing experience of evo 2015 top 8 with 2016 top 8 and see how people feel about it. Last year was so great that chen and seth both friggin cried at the end, even I shed a tear at home. Im willing to bet nobody is gonna cry on stream this year. people cried because it was last evo of a game that revived fgc, if there was no sfv everyone woulda just cried about elena being busted not to mention, no1 cried when infil destroyed sfiv for the whole year either, just ban infiltration! Well, I also realize that it being the last year for sfIV was a huge factor for the emotions but I feel like you guys are missing my point. I was just wondering if it was me liking 4 over 5 that makes this feel boring in comparison or if other people that actually like 5 are feeling the same way. The fact that nobody is even disputing that last year was way more hype and are just stating more reasons as to why that is the case in a kind of apologetic fashion more than answers my question though. Why are you treating this like a big deal? Hype is not a linear thing that increases with time.
wrong, this year's melee was more hype than last years. duh
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On July 18 2016 14:18 diehilde wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2016 14:03 Artok wrote:On July 18 2016 14:01 diehilde wrote:On July 18 2016 13:56 Artok wrote:On July 18 2016 13:55 diehilde wrote:
Is it just me or is this evo top 8 not even remotely close in hype levels to last year? Not gonna lie, I might be biased because I like SF4 a lot more, but I feel some of the reasons this is comparably boring are pretty objective. Character diversity is horrible (tons of mirrors vs. character switching within single matches last year), the crowd is almost not hearable, Seth/Jchen way more hype than Sajam/Jchen, excessive amounts of reverb on the commentators, less non asian crowd favorites... How are people that like SF5 as much as SF4 feeling about this years hype? nobody is gonna pull out crazy counterpicks and shit 5 months after the game came out, check vanilla sf4 first tournaments for comparison, those were goddamn horrible I realize that, but I think its still legitimate to compare the viewing experience of evo 2015 top 8 with 2016 top 8 and see how people feel about it. Last year was so great that chen and seth both friggin cried at the end, even I shed a tear at home. Im willing to bet nobody is gonna cry on stream this year. people cried because it was last evo of a game that revived fgc, if there was no sfv everyone woulda just cried about elena being busted not to mention, no1 cried when infil destroyed sfiv for the whole year either, just ban infiltration! Well, I also realize that it being the last year for sfIV was a huge factor for the emotions but I feel like you guys are missing my point. I was just wondering if it was me liking 4 over 5 that makes this feel boring in comparison or if other people that actually like 5 are feeling the same way. The fact that nobody is even disputing that last year was way more hype and are just stating more reasons as to why that is the case in a kind of apologetic fashion more than answers my question though.
Last year brought more emotion out of people because it had more Ups and also more Downs. It was a rollercoaster of emotion. We had a bunch of Elena lame fest so everyone was really invested to see her taken down. And those games dragged to the end of the round when both players starts playing the time which caused a lot of tension.
Last year also had a huge variety of characters played not only for the mains, but the top players brought out fan favorite pocket characters as well. I expect to start seeing this on SFV in a year or two.
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the one thing i can take away from sf5 is the story of infiltration being on top of Japan's most wanted list.
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On July 18 2016 14:22 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2016 14:18 diehilde wrote:On July 18 2016 14:03 Artok wrote:On July 18 2016 14:01 diehilde wrote:On July 18 2016 13:56 Artok wrote:On July 18 2016 13:55 diehilde wrote:
Is it just me or is this evo top 8 not even remotely close in hype levels to last year? Not gonna lie, I might be biased because I like SF4 a lot more, but I feel some of the reasons this is comparably boring are pretty objective. Character diversity is horrible (tons of mirrors vs. character switching within single matches last year), the crowd is almost not hearable, Seth/Jchen way more hype than Sajam/Jchen, excessive amounts of reverb on the commentators, less non asian crowd favorites... How are people that like SF5 as much as SF4 feeling about this years hype? nobody is gonna pull out crazy counterpicks and shit 5 months after the game came out, check vanilla sf4 first tournaments for comparison, those were goddamn horrible I realize that, but I think its still legitimate to compare the viewing experience of evo 2015 top 8 with 2016 top 8 and see how people feel about it. Last year was so great that chen and seth both friggin cried at the end, even I shed a tear at home. Im willing to bet nobody is gonna cry on stream this year. people cried because it was last evo of a game that revived fgc, if there was no sfv everyone woulda just cried about elena being busted not to mention, no1 cried when infil destroyed sfiv for the whole year either, just ban infiltration! Well, I also realize that it being the last year for sfIV was a huge factor for the emotions but I feel like you guys are missing my point. I was just wondering if it was me liking 4 over 5 that makes this feel boring in comparison or if other people that actually like 5 are feeling the same way. The fact that nobody is even disputing that last year was way more hype and are just stating more reasons as to why that is the case in a kind of apologetic fashion more than answers my question though. Why are you treating this like a big deal? Hype is not a linear thing that increases with time.
Huh? Because it is a big deal?? Why are you watching premiere sports events if not for the suspension, the emotions and so forth? Why are way more people watching soccer world cup compared to champions league final although the level of play is lower? The "hype" is the most important thing in a premiere sports event and is a key factor for the viewing experience. Example: watching an underdog come back from 0-2 to take it 3-2 is a way more enjoyable viewing experience than watching a favorite stomp someone 3-0. So less hype = less enjoyable viewing experience. And if the viewing experience isnt a big deal with spectating events I dont know what else is.
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On July 18 2016 14:31 diehilde wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2016 14:22 CosmicSpiral wrote:On July 18 2016 14:18 diehilde wrote:On July 18 2016 14:03 Artok wrote:On July 18 2016 14:01 diehilde wrote:On July 18 2016 13:56 Artok wrote:On July 18 2016 13:55 diehilde wrote:
Is it just me or is this evo top 8 not even remotely close in hype levels to last year? Not gonna lie, I might be biased because I like SF4 a lot more, but I feel some of the reasons this is comparably boring are pretty objective. Character diversity is horrible (tons of mirrors vs. character switching within single matches last year), the crowd is almost not hearable, Seth/Jchen way more hype than Sajam/Jchen, excessive amounts of reverb on the commentators, less non asian crowd favorites... How are people that like SF5 as much as SF4 feeling about this years hype? nobody is gonna pull out crazy counterpicks and shit 5 months after the game came out, check vanilla sf4 first tournaments for comparison, those were goddamn horrible I realize that, but I think its still legitimate to compare the viewing experience of evo 2015 top 8 with 2016 top 8 and see how people feel about it. Last year was so great that chen and seth both friggin cried at the end, even I shed a tear at home. Im willing to bet nobody is gonna cry on stream this year. people cried because it was last evo of a game that revived fgc, if there was no sfv everyone woulda just cried about elena being busted not to mention, no1 cried when infil destroyed sfiv for the whole year either, just ban infiltration! Well, I also realize that it being the last year for sfIV was a huge factor for the emotions but I feel like you guys are missing my point. I was just wondering if it was me liking 4 over 5 that makes this feel boring in comparison or if other people that actually like 5 are feeling the same way. The fact that nobody is even disputing that last year was way more hype and are just stating more reasons as to why that is the case in a kind of apologetic fashion more than answers my question though. Why are you treating this like a big deal? Hype is not a linear thing that increases with time. Huh? Because it is?? Why are you watching premiere sports events if not for the suspension, the emotions and so forth? Why are way more people watching soccer world cup compared to champions league final although the level of play is lower? The "hype" is the most important thing in a premiere sports event and is a key factor for the viewing experience. Example: watching an underdog come back from 0-2 to take it 3-2 is a way more enjoyable viewing experience than watching a favorite stomp someone 3-0. So less hype = less enjoyable viewing experience. And if the viewing experience isnt a big deal with spectating events I dont know what else is.
He's saying why does every year have to trump every previous year. Using your own sports example, not every single Super Bowl is as exciting or as tense or as storylined as the others. But that doesn't mean they're trash either. Something can be enjoyable without also being the most enjoyable in history.
It's completely fine to like EVO 2015 more than EVO 2016, for any number of reasons. That doesn't mean everyone feels the same, nor does it mean we need to deconstruct it and find out why one was "worse".
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bad:
- We should get more of the crowd in the camera shot. I miss the salt shaker signs, the emotion from the crowd's faces
- I miss counterpick battles
- Felt like the characters that are easiest to play and are most RPS did the best
- Brackets on paper, no online updates. 2016, guys. Commentators often didn't know what was going on either.
good:
- lots of matches were close, we saw many final rounds
- the moment with joe and his dad was at the same level as last year's hype, I teared up a little
- 5k players went really smoothly, I think there were practically no delays. Great organisation
So, I don't think any of of the criticism is caused by the game itself, it's mostly the novelty of the game that's causing it.
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The Super Bowl usually turns out to be the worst game of the entire playoffs.
Anyway, I was super impressed by ESPNs job. Mike and Gooteks and co. were really professional as well.
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more characters + post capcom cup balance patch hopefully increases diversity.
btw why are fgc (and smash) prize pools so low?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
smash is easy since nintendo dont add to prize pools like other games.
SFV has capcom support, but the big one is capcom cup where they put mot of it.
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