EPTThe CS:GO Shuffle Truffle General - Page 9
| Forum Index > General Games |
|
amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
| ||
|
amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
Well congrats on the paycheck stewie | ||
|
Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
They don't even have an IGL (I know n0thing is supposed to do that for them, but common...). | ||
|
Dundron2000
Sweden1140 Posts
| ||
|
Introvert
United States4951 Posts
| ||
|
HugoBallzak
700 Posts
| ||
Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
On January 12 2016 04:12 HugoBallzak wrote: Fixed that for you. :D | ||
|
yamato77
11589 Posts
Where they diverge is in strategy and leadership. James and adreN likely outmatch n0thing strategically, but C9 is almost surely the more cohesive unit given that they generally seem to be friends with each other. Liquid has problems with leadership, given that adreN is not a strong personality. Hiko may shore his weaknesses up, and will certainly have to contain s1mple's propensity to undermine authority within the teams he's a part of. | ||
|
Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On January 12 2016 03:27 amazingxkcd wrote: http://cloud9.gg/news/csgo-adds-stewie2k Well congrats on the paycheck stewie Wait 2 month if a unlimited ban gets rewoked after 1 year in total to get swag. Take stewie2k when it does not work out. Worst plan B possible. | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
 | ||
|
SyNc`
333 Posts
On January 12 2016 04:33 Clonester wrote: Wait 2 month if a unlimited ban gets rewoked after 1 year in total to get swag. Take stewie2k when it does not work out. Worst plan B possible. Its a huge risk that can pay off but if they wanted to go this route they should've tried to get SicK instead. | ||
|
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Liquid has S1mple but it remains to be seen as to whether he can fit in well enough, | ||
|
Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On January 12 2016 18:55 Kipsate wrote: Stewie is a tad risk but what other options are there really? C9 also must be comfortable in playing with them. Liquid has S1mple but it remains to be seen as to whether he can fit in well enough, To me its not because its Stewie, its because they have no IGL. I really doubt N0thing can do that when he barely could remember strat called by Sean the same round. Granted, it's hard to find any IGL at all in NA, but still, this team looks like a very pug-heavy style team to me, with no real strategic phylosophy. Also, regarding Liquid, to me their problem is primarily, again, their IGL. Maybe Adren will improve now that he does not need to AWP, and I really hope so, but he still does not feel like a reliable leader to me and I have no confidence in James (well I might be biased on this because of thorin's stories about him). | ||
|
HugoBallzak
700 Posts
On January 12 2016 22:17 Roggay wrote: To me its not because its Stewie, its because they have no IGL. I really doubt N0thing can do that when he barely could remember strat called by Sean the same round. Granted, it's hard to find any IGL at all in NA, but still, this team looks like a very pug-heavy style team to me, with no real strategic phylosophy. Also, regarding Liquid, to me their problem is primarily, again, their IGL. Maybe Adren will improve now that he does not need to AWP, and I really hope so, but he still does not feel like a reliable leader to me and I have no confidence in James (well I might be biased on this because of thorin's stories about him). James was a mainstay in the NA scene for over a decade. Hes never been known to be an amazing talent but hes always been the IGL and coach of up and coming players so I have no doubt of his ability to coach a team with some young talent. My only concern is his lack of firsthand csgo knowledge as he comes from a primarily 1.6 background. Thorin's stories are just that - stories. Thorin will say anything to make himself look great and everyone else look absolutely terrible. Not saying they aren't true but they are definitely embellished. Also, while coaches are becoming the norm in csgo right now, I dont think they have anywhere near the effect towards success that a solid 5 man roster does. James is not the problem with liquid, in fact, liquids results have improved somewhat since he joined. The main problem has always been adren's complete inability to awp on lan and his shit mid-round calling. S1mple can frag as well as fugly and adren combined, so hopefully adren can become more ex6tenz-ish. I dont think liquid will become a top 5 team, but I do think they will be able to do some damage if they can work together to improve for the start of the year. | ||
|
Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On January 12 2016 23:01 HugoBallzak wrote: James was a mainstay in the NA scene for over a decade. Hes never been known to be an amazing talent but hes always been the IGL and coach of up and coming players so I have no doubt of his ability to coach a team with some young talent. My only concern is his lack of firsthand csgo knowledge as he comes from a primarily 1.6 background. Thorin's stories are just that - stories. Thorin will say anything to make himself look great and everyone else look absolutely terrible. Not saying they aren't true but they are definitely embellished. Also, while coaches are becoming the norm in csgo right now, I dont think they have anywhere near the effect towards success that a solid 5 man roster does. James is not the problem with liquid, in fact, liquids results have improved somewhat since he joined. The main problem has always been adren's complete inability to awp on lan and his shit mid-round calling. S1mple can frag as well as fugly and adren combined, so hopefully adren can become more ex6tenz-ish. I dont think liquid will become a top 5 team, but I do think they will be able to do some damage if they can work together to improve for the start of the year. Oh yea I definitely know that Thorin does embellish his stories and that it is not as black-and-white as he describes it, but it still left with me with some impression that there was some truth to it. Regardless, the main problem is indeed not really the coach. Although, to come back to C9, maybe their plan is to have the 6th man (Coach) doing the job of the IGL. Some leagues seem to let coaches be in the game as spectators (bound to a team afaik?). They still don't have one and I wonder who they are going to pick for that. | ||
|
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
| ||
|
HugoBallzak
700 Posts
On January 12 2016 23:31 Roggay wrote: Oh yea I definitely know that Thorin does embellish his stories and that it is not as black-and-white as he describes it, but it still left with me with some impression that there was some truth to it. Regardless, the main problem is indeed not really the coach. Although, to come back to C9, maybe their plan is to have the 6th man (Coach) doing the job of the IGL. Some leagues seem to let coaches be in the game as spectators (bound to a team afaik?). They still don't have one and I wonder who they are going to pick for that. It honestly doesn't matter at this point. Cloud 9 is not built to win. Their roster is based on popularity. n0thing should have been cut in place of hiko a long time ago. This stewie2k pickup says to me that cloud 9 isn't thinking about winning in 2016, just trying to gain exposure and build the public persona of a younger player they got for cheap as they head into the e-league. NA scene died when IBP got banned. There is literally no competitive spirit left in the scene. Everyone is just trying to get paid or build their twitter/stream following. Ill give liquid credit for picking up s1mple but that is definitely more hiko's doing than the liquid org. Hiko is probably one of the only NA players left who understands international cs competition and what it takes to win. Skadoodle used to know but he threw it away for the c9 money. I would too I guess if I knew how close I came to getting perma banned. | ||
|
Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + https://twitter.com/Thooorin/status/686885533910433792 Thorin is relentless with GBJames ahah. | ||
|
Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
On January 13 2016 00:13 Roggay wrote: http://twitter.com/Thooorin/status/686885533910433792 Thorin is relentless with GBJames ahah. I actually read that without even reacting, haha. Although to James defense it's difficult to know a coach's impact without some insight in the team. | ||
|
Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On January 13 2016 00:20 Muffloe wrote: I actually read that without even reacting, haha. Although to James defense it's difficult to know a coach's impact without some insight in the team. Thorin mainly does not like James because he tried to argue with Thorin (in front of Nazgul) because he did not like how Thorin portrayed his career in his "Who is" video about him. + Show Spoiler + The story is here, the whole thing is absolutely hilarious to be honest and it is not that long (7min from 2h20m46 in). | ||
| ||
