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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-08 09:33:16
November 08 2015 09:33 GMT
#741
Auto generating dungeons, speed tree and scaling loot make me think they spent a lot less time on it then in previous iterations personally. Though I will say the dark brotherhood quest was actually imho really good in oblivion. Same with the thieves guild.
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2769 Posts
November 08 2015 10:05 GMT
#742
I loved Morrowind, never finished FO3, never finished New Vegas either, hated Oblivion (straight up hated it, felt like a chore) and loved Skyrim.

It's not like Skyrim had as interesting world to walk around in as Morrowind but it was pretty and interesting enough. There was enough things find and they felt fairly interesting to explore, plus there was the chance of finding words or dragons to kill. Oblivion every single dungeon felt almost the same (oh it's Aylid ruins again, oh it's another cave again) and there was never ever anything interesting in it because of loot leveling.

FO3 and Vegas I mainly quit because my preferred play style is always thief if I can't be a crafter and it broke the game to hard.
waaaaaaaaaaaooooow - Felicia, SPF2:T
bardtown
Profile Joined June 2011
England2313 Posts
November 08 2015 10:52 GMT
#743
Loved Morrowind, loved Oblivion, loved FO3, couldn't get into Skyrim. Personally I hope FO4 is not to FO3 as Skyrim is to Oblivion.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-08 12:07:39
November 08 2015 11:18 GMT
#744
On November 08 2015 19:52 bardtown wrote:
Loved Morrowind, loved Oblivion, loved FO3, couldn't get into Skyrim. Personally I hope FO4 is not to FO3 as Skyrim is to Oblivion.


That is a thought i share.

For some reason, skyrim wasn't for me. Loved Morrowind, Oblivion was okayish (hated the autoscaling) - and i could never get into Skyrim for some reason. I think mainly it was the clunky UI, which i found ridiculously uncomfortable to use.

Although, one shouldn't expect a Fallout 3-2. I assume Fallout 4 will be different, which is fine if done well. Mapsize doesn't really play into that, especially considering that it's considerably bigger than Fallout 3 and Skyrim. Just gimme stuff to find, things to look at. Details!

edit: on a different note.. Anyone else here VPN-ing? Australia gets the game in roughly 11 hours.
On track to MA1950A.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
November 08 2015 12:09 GMT
#745
So if you can play Skyrim maxed, how well would my pc handle fallout 4? I ask this cause new pcs are expensive but I kinda wanna play this really bad :D
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
November 08 2015 14:06 GMT
#746
On November 08 2015 21:09 GumBa wrote:
So if you can play Skyrim maxed, how well would my pc handle fallout 4? I ask this cause new pcs are expensive but I kinda wanna play this really bad :D


PC specs would help.
On track to MA1950A.
Reaps
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom1280 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-08 14:22:06
November 08 2015 14:20 GMT
#747
Check steam for fallout 4 requirements, I barely meet the min requirements on my pc, so I may wait to buy the game until I get a better one.

MINIMUM:
OS: Windows 7/8/10 (64-bit OS required)
Processor: Intel Core i5-2300 2.8 GHz/AMD Phenom II X4 945 3.0 GHz or equivalent
Memory: 8 GB RAM
Graphics: NVIDIA GTX 550 Ti 2GB/AMD Radeon HD 7870 2GB or equivalent
Hard Drive: 30 GB available space

RECOMMENDED:
OS: Windows 7/8/10 (64-bit OS required)
Processor: Intel Core i7 4790 3.6 GHz/AMD FX-9590 4.7 GHz or equivalent < seems a bit too much
Memory: 8 GB RAM
Graphics: NVIDIA GTX 780 3GB/AMD Radeon R9 290X 4GB or equivalent
Hard Drive: 30 GB available space
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-08 14:28:04
November 08 2015 14:27 GMT
#748
On November 08 2015 16:10 Svizcy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 15:51 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On November 08 2015 15:18 bo1b wrote:
On November 08 2015 13:56 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On November 08 2015 13:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Still seems kind of odd that one can cross the entire Fallout 4 map in just 10 minutes...

All the other Bethesda games aren't any different. My biggest problem with Morrowind was that I'd look for some random vague marker on the road for some quest, and after 1 minute realize that I'd walked from one major city to another.

Unless you're talking level 1 with no speed/vehicles/mounts.

You ran from one city to another within a minute in morrowind? wow thats impressive.

Might have overstated by a minute or so. Just remember like the very first side-quest you pick up, finding the magic ring in the cave. Walked down the road looking for some rock I was supposed to turn left at and ended up in Balmora.



Morrowing has much larger map scale than Oblivion, and much much larger than Skyrim. It's really a shame that they are making fallout map even smaller (if the 10min) run across the entire map is possible.

Some time past since i tested this but Skyrim was arround 30minutes or so, and Morrowind was arround 2 hours.


One of the great things about Morrowind was how much you could cut that time down if you wanted to. With the boots of blinding speed + clothing with jump CE, the Silent Pilgrimage quest takes just a few minutes without any teleportation spells or scrolls.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
November 08 2015 14:49 GMT
#749
I never played morrowwind but is the RNG combat deal breaking or is it worth it for the experience?
rip passion
Random()
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-08 15:02:31
November 08 2015 15:01 GMT
#750
My beef with Bethesda games is that for completely open-world sandbox RPG games their game systems are very fragile and often just lazy. I just cannot feel immersed in a game when I keep running into mechanics that make no sense.

Like, for instance, in my first attempt to play Skyrim, I entered a random building near Whiterun (I think it was some mead store?). Now I don't remember what exactly I did, but I somehow managed to make the owner hostile. I didn't mean to do that, and I definitely didn't attack him, I probably just wandered into the "private" section of the building or pushed some bottles off the shelf. It was a complete accident, but the owner just insisted on fighting me to the death.

That alone is stupid enough. Why wouldn't he call the guard? Why wouldn't he tell me to leave or to pay him if I had broken something? But when I tried to defend myself it turned out he was invincible! He would go down when his health bar reached zero, but then just get up will full bar again and keep charging at me. Apparently he was important for a quest or something so he could not be killed. That's fine by me, but why the hell would you allow an invincible character not only to be attacked, but to attack the player first?

Then, I randomly wandered around Whiterun and ran into some assholes in a cave that tried to rob me. I killed them, and found out that they had a horse. But I could only "steal" the damn horse so it would eventually magically disappear. How does that make any sense? Some fools attack you, you are forced to fight, and you cannot even help yourself to their possessions because they are magically flagged as "stolen".

In my recent Fallout: NV playthrough, in the very beginning, I tried siding with the Powder Gangers or whatever they are called. When we were done shooting up the poor Goodsprings citizens, I shot all of the gangsters too. Then I went to their prison base and they were like "OK, we know you just fucking shot a dozen of us for no reason while laughing maniacally but since you had also helped us kill a couple of innocents you're fine. Please come in!". I come in and proceed to shoot everyone on sight. I keep getting those "good karma" messages apparently for wanton murder because they were the "bad" guys. Suddenly when I shoot a guy I get a pop-up message saying "so and so is dead". Out of curiosity, I reload. Oh, he was a good guy apparently. Who just sat there watching me murder everyone on sight like that was an obvious thing to do. I could even have a friendly chat with him afterwards.

I then try to loot the place. Apparently, it is classified as stealing, and I lose karma. So, shooting people is good. Taking their shit isn't. Life lesson learned.
JazVM
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1196 Posts
November 08 2015 15:14 GMT
#751
From what I have seen on the internet so far, the gameplay is essentially Skyout or Fallrim, almost nothing is new or got changed. Unless you people here will tell me otherwise, I will wait till it goes on sale. But I really like the graphics from the screenshots they posted. I don't really understand the uproar. Imo it looks pretty good on PC.
mind mind mind mind mind mind
JazVM
Profile Joined October 2012
Germany1196 Posts
November 08 2015 15:18 GMT
#752
On November 08 2015 23:49 Deathstar wrote:
I never played morrowwind but is the RNG combat deal breaking or is it worth it for the experience?


What do you mean by "RNG deal breaking combat"? Combat sucks in Morrowind, but I don't remember it beeing very RNG oriented. Morrowind is 100% worth it, if you can manage to really delve into it's unique atmosphere. The lore is rich and the locations are very interesting. Also it doens't hold your hand, which is very different from RPG's nowadays.
mind mind mind mind mind mind
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-08 15:29:21
November 08 2015 15:28 GMT
#753
On November 09 2015 00:18 JazVM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 23:49 Deathstar wrote:
I never played morrowwind but is the RNG combat deal breaking or is it worth it for the experience?


What do you mean by "RNG deal breaking combat"? Combat sucks in Morrowind, but I don't remember it beeing very RNG oriented. Morrowind is 100% worth it, if you can manage to really delve into it's unique atmosphere. The lore is rich and the locations are very interesting. Also it doens't hold your hand, which is very different from RPG's nowadays.


Oh I meant like you swing your sword and "hit" your enemy, but it may miss because of your stats. I dunno that's the biggest criticism I read about Morrowind.

I'll just get it and see for myself. A lot of people recommend it so I thought why not. I just want a deep immersive experience haha.


http://www.twitch.tv/nervebag
fo4 stream.
rip passion
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
November 08 2015 15:35 GMT
#754
On November 08 2015 23:06 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 21:09 GumBa wrote:
So if you can play Skyrim maxed, how well would my pc handle fallout 4? I ask this cause new pcs are expensive but I kinda wanna play this really bad :D


PC specs would help.

Intel core i5-2500 CPU 3.30ghz
4gb ram
Nvidia Geforce GTX 550 Ti
if that is any help.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-08 16:02:22
November 08 2015 15:56 GMT
#755
On November 09 2015 00:35 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2015 23:06 m4ini wrote:
On November 08 2015 21:09 GumBa wrote:
So if you can play Skyrim maxed, how well would my pc handle fallout 4? I ask this cause new pcs are expensive but I kinda wanna play this really bad :D


PC specs would help.

Intel core i5-2500 CPU 3.30ghz
4gb ram
Nvidia Geforce GTX 550 Ti
if that is any help.


Yes it is, and no.. If i were you, i'd skip for now and save up for some bits and bobs. CPU should be fine, really - it's the GPU and your RAM that seems under par.

You might be able to play it on min settings with occasional hickups, but.. Well, it'd look crap and if you're anything like me, you'd be annoyed quickly.

Is it a i5 2500k? If so, it'll be powerful enough for pretty much all the things, if you got decent cooling (otherwise, pick up a cheap closed loop cooler, like a Hydro H60). GPU is overdue though, and RAM as well. 8gb is minimum really. For everything.
On track to MA1950A.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
November 08 2015 16:00 GMT
#756
On November 09 2015 00:56 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2015 00:35 GumBa wrote:
On November 08 2015 23:06 m4ini wrote:
On November 08 2015 21:09 GumBa wrote:
So if you can play Skyrim maxed, how well would my pc handle fallout 4? I ask this cause new pcs are expensive but I kinda wanna play this really bad :D


PC specs would help.

Intel core i5-2500 CPU 3.30ghz
4gb ram
Nvidia Geforce GTX 550 Ti
if that is any help.


Yes it is, and no.. If i were you, i'd skip for now and save up for some bits and bobs. CPU should be fine, really - it's the GPU and your RAM that seems under par.

You might be able to play it on min settings with occasional hickups, but.. Well, it'd look crap and if you're anything like me, you'd be annoyed quickly.

Is it a i5 2500k?

No it isn't. Thank for the help and yeah guess I will wait and just get it at a later point.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-08 16:06:59
November 08 2015 16:05 GMT
#757
On November 09 2015 01:00 GumBa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2015 00:56 m4ini wrote:
On November 09 2015 00:35 GumBa wrote:
On November 08 2015 23:06 m4ini wrote:
On November 08 2015 21:09 GumBa wrote:
So if you can play Skyrim maxed, how well would my pc handle fallout 4? I ask this cause new pcs are expensive but I kinda wanna play this really bad :D


PC specs would help.

Intel core i5-2500 CPU 3.30ghz
4gb ram
Nvidia Geforce GTX 550 Ti
if that is any help.


Yes it is, and no.. If i were you, i'd skip for now and save up for some bits and bobs. CPU should be fine, really - it's the GPU and your RAM that seems under par.

You might be able to play it on min settings with occasional hickups, but.. Well, it'd look crap and if you're anything like me, you'd be annoyed quickly.

Is it a i5 2500k?

No it isn't. Thank for the help and yeah guess I will wait and just get it at a later point.


Ah, too bad. Well.. Save up for some RAM and a new GPU - 760s should be decently cheap by now i think, and would be enough for decent settings (medium i assume, considering they recommend a 780 with 4gb vram).
On track to MA1950A.
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
November 08 2015 16:08 GMT
#758
On November 09 2015 00:28 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2015 00:18 JazVM wrote:
On November 08 2015 23:49 Deathstar wrote:
I never played morrowwind but is the RNG combat deal breaking or is it worth it for the experience?


What do you mean by "RNG deal breaking combat"? Combat sucks in Morrowind, but I don't remember it beeing very RNG oriented. Morrowind is 100% worth it, if you can manage to really delve into it's unique atmosphere. The lore is rich and the locations are very interesting. Also it doens't hold your hand, which is very different from RPG's nowadays.


Oh I meant like you swing your sword and "hit" your enemy, but it may miss because of your stats. I dunno that's the biggest criticism I read about Morrowind.

I'll just get it and see for myself. A lot of people recommend it so I thought why not. I just want a deep immersive experience haha.


http://www.twitch.tv/nervebag
fo4 stream.

It's only an issue if you want to use weapons that don't fit your stats. The stats you choose in the beginning of the game determine your character for the rest of it, so be prepared to start over a couple of times.

Personally the fighting system never really bothered me all that much. It isn't great, but the atmosphere of the game more than makes up for its shortcomings.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 08 2015 16:38 GMT
#759
Great so we may have to preplan builds even before the first major patch...
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-08 17:23:23
November 08 2015 17:18 GMT
#760
On November 09 2015 01:38 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Great so we may have to preplan builds even before the first major patch...


i dont understand?







also, somme idiots on twitch run around all day and report spam all the channels, so no gameplay preview before release -.-
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