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On April 14 2015 18:25 Yrr wrote:
Remember, winning a match is still more important than mvp's.
actually..
Elo points gets updated every single round you play, not match. And mvp for that round gets more than the rest of his team. You can lose the match and still have positive elo points if you have enough mvp. So for mmr's sake, mvp is more important than winning the match.
There's a long thread on the steam forum somewhere explaining how the elo system works in much more detail than I am capable of.
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On April 14 2015 18:20 BravoScripT.DK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2015 17:56 Souma wrote:
MVP thing just doesn't make sense sometimes. I can get two entries into a site + another kill and the guy who plants the bomb will get the MVP. :| True, I will never agian drop the bomb in spawn.
Remember you still only get mvp if it actually detonates. Or else it goes to the top fragger.
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Is there any actual proof of this "the more mvp you get equals more elo points" theory which you are saying as if it is truth?
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On April 15 2015 02:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Is there any actual proof of this "the more mvp you get equals more elo points" theory which you are saying as if it is truth?
I personally think its bullshit, just as having the concept of MVP is bullshit as well :/
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On April 15 2015 02:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Is there any actual proof of this "the more mvp you get equals more elo points" theory which you are saying as if it is truth?
I don't think there is and I highly doubt it's as simple as "more mvp = more elo points". Unless Valve release a statement to show us how their elo system really works, we night never know.
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On April 15 2015 02:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Is there any actual proof of this "the more mvp you get equals more elo points" theory which you are saying as if it is truth?
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=312582297
It is confirmed, yes.
So what affects your rank (points gained or lost) in a nutshell is:
Current Elo Points (rank)
Round Win/Loss
MVPs Gained
I should probably have posted this earlier. But I've been on my phone for the most part and its a hassle to google through links when you are.
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On April 15 2015 05:49 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 02:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Is there any actual proof of this "the more mvp you get equals more elo points" theory which you are saying as if it is truth? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=312582297It is confirmed, yes. Show nested quote +So what affects your rank (points gained or lost) in a nutshell is:
Current Elo Points (rank)
Round Win/Loss
MVPs Gained I should probably have posted this earlier. But I've been on my phone for the most part and its a hassle to google through links when you are.
I haven't read the whole thing but IMHO this guide doesn't prove anything other than speculating on how their system really works. Nothing confirmed at all. Just look at the section "Official Reply from Valve on this Guide" where Valve basically says "our system is significantly different and more complex than Elo". Also, don't forget the end warning dated from 12 April 2015 : "Due to some unknown recent changes to the Ranking Algorithm, this guide might no longer be accurate or valid at all and may or may not be updated."
So yeah, unless Valve release an official statement telling us exacly how it works, we can only speculate.
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I'm silver elite, and I don't feel like I have the right to rage or complain about anything in this game except for maybe griefing, because I don't think I'm good enough to complain... However, I have this friend who's, by the grace of God, silver 3. He plays like a silver 1 or 2, but he complains all the time... He will complain that there is no communication or teamwork in his team, and IN THE SAME SENTENCE he'll say, "One time i said 'rush b' and i was the only one who went B." Ofc i'm like, "well, if you're the only one who went b, and you were playing on dust 2, that must mean everyone else tried to push A. it sounds like you were the one not working with the team." lol he got so mad. but he'll complain and complain about no teamwork and there he sits at the bottom of the score board 3/1/17 or something horrific like that, no joke, no exaggeration. It's so frustrating.
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Decided to play some matchmaking today. Decide to warm up with some deathmatch for 10-20 minutes and everything is fine so I queue. In warmup I get fucking booted from the game though saying some error. Ok, CSGO is a piece of shit sometimes, I'll just restart it and everything will be good. Nope. It keeps doing it. I get into game for a few seconds before it boots me back to the main menu with this stupid error. Nothing left to do but quit out the game and verify the game cache. Get back into game, oh. 7 day cooldown. Fucking wonderful. Fuck yourselves Valve.
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On April 15 2015 08:13 DPK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 05:49 Excludos wrote:On April 15 2015 02:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Is there any actual proof of this "the more mvp you get equals more elo points" theory which you are saying as if it is truth? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=312582297It is confirmed, yes. So what affects your rank (points gained or lost) in a nutshell is:
Current Elo Points (rank)
Round Win/Loss
MVPs Gained I should probably have posted this earlier. But I've been on my phone for the most part and its a hassle to google through links when you are. I haven't read the whole thing but IMHO this guide doesn't prove anything other than speculating on how their system really works. Nothing confirmed at all. Just look at the section "Official Reply from Valve on this Guide" where Valve basically says "our system is significantly different and more complex than Elo". Also, don't forget the end warning dated from 12 April 2015 : "Due to some unknown recent changes to the Ranking Algorithm, this guide might no longer be accurate or valid at all and may or may not be updated." So yeah, unless Valve release an official statement telling us exacly how it works, we can only speculate.
You're right, its not an official statement. I thought there was a confirming statement by Valve in there somewhere, before I realized that this will never happen. However this is by far the most thought out, well written and most researched article about the cs:go ranking, and everything Valve has stated has so far been in line with it, including that things like headshots, kills, k/d ratio etc does not have any impact on the ELO. You are however of course entitled to believe whatever you want in this case, but as we don't really have anything else to go on, this seems by far the most sensible thing to follow as of yet.
The one thing that really irks me about this, if true, is that you don't lose any more points by leaving a match. Which means if you think you're going to lose, instead of holding your own and trying to make a comeback, you're better off just leaving right away and cut your losses.
Edit: Should also note the..note on the bottom of the page:
[!] FINAL UPDATE (12 Apr 2015)
WARNING: Due to some unknown recent changes to the Ranking Algorithm, this guide might no longer be accurate or valid at all and may or may not be updated. -RetriButioN (12 Apr 2015)
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Still DMG, I've played a bit more lately and my aim is getting better again. But I really don't belong here, I'm constantly team up against and with LE but can't seem to get a win streak going despite 25-35 fragging every match. I really don't get how some of these players are higher than me, or just as high for that matter. Yesterday there was some guy LEM who couldn't play with anything else than P90, he picked up and AK once and sprayed all 30 bullets 1meter over his head from point blank range. That guy shouldn't even have been gold nova.
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The thing with the MMR is , people reporedt that they gain rank even though they lost the game and this indicates that to have a positive income from a lost match (you should have lost more points than won from rounds alone, about the same MMR).
Also I can confirm from my mere experience that even though my winrate is not super high, I went from silver 3 to Nova 1 in apprx. 50-70 match by share domination of kills & mostly constant top 2 finish(many kills = many MVP's usually). I believe in MVP statement in general and even though it is not, it motivates me to do my best regardless of the situation is, which I consider a good thing.
The link that is provided above is very well thought and received. Probably you'll never receive an official admittance from Valve so the collective belief of MMR is the best thing you can have.
The one thing that really irks me about this, if true, is that you don't lose any more points by leaving a match. Which means if you think you're going to lose, instead of holding your own and trying to make a comeback, you're better off just leaving right away and cut your losses.
If you try to cut every lost match, you'll end up days of competitive match cooldown i a very short time frame. Better is to try your best and try to extract many MVP's as you can.
My irk share is, planting bomb gives you an MVP if someone in the team couldn't manage to secure multiple kills which generally indicates no skill but the ability of pressing a button. Most people don't like to carry the bomb so you can request bomb in every round and can secure probably 2-3 MVP's at worst in every match by just planting bombs(go dust2 go).
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On April 15 2015 17:18 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 08:13 DPK wrote:On April 15 2015 05:49 Excludos wrote:On April 15 2015 02:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Is there any actual proof of this "the more mvp you get equals more elo points" theory which you are saying as if it is truth? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=312582297It is confirmed, yes. So what affects your rank (points gained or lost) in a nutshell is:
Current Elo Points (rank)
Round Win/Loss
MVPs Gained I should probably have posted this earlier. But I've been on my phone for the most part and its a hassle to google through links when you are. I haven't read the whole thing but IMHO this guide doesn't prove anything other than speculating on how their system really works. Nothing confirmed at all. Just look at the section "Official Reply from Valve on this Guide" where Valve basically says "our system is significantly different and more complex than Elo". Also, don't forget the end warning dated from 12 April 2015 : "Due to some unknown recent changes to the Ranking Algorithm, this guide might no longer be accurate or valid at all and may or may not be updated." So yeah, unless Valve release an official statement telling us exacly how it works, we can only speculate. You're right, its not an official statement. I thought there was a confirming statement by Valve in there somewhere, before I realized that this will never happen. However this is by far the most thought out, well written and most researched article about the cs:go ranking, and everything Valve has stated has so far been in line with it, including that things like headshots, kills, k/d ratio etc does not have any impact on the ELO. You are however of course entitled to believe whatever you want in this case, but as we don't really have anything else to go on, this seems by far the most sensible thing to follow as of yet. The one thing that really irks me about this, if true, is that you don't lose any more points by leaving a match. Which means if you think you're going to lose, instead of holding your own and trying to make a comeback, you're better off just leaving right away and cut your losses. Edit: Should also note the..note on the bottom of the page: Show nested quote +[!] FINAL UPDATE (12 Apr 2015)
WARNING: Due to some unknown recent changes to the Ranking Algorithm, this guide might no longer be accurate or valid at all and may or may not be updated. -RetriButioN (12 Apr 2015)
Have you even read your own link properly? It's a guide with no foundation. It doesn't matter how many words or how eloquently it is written if it isn't true. The official reply from valve basically says in the kindest words possible that everything written there are unfactual. It is just some random guy typing up how he thinks cs go ranking is determined. He is very convinced that mvp is one of the most important factors for ranking, but no reason is given, not even anecdotal reason.
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On April 15 2015 20:33 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 17:18 Excludos wrote:On April 15 2015 08:13 DPK wrote:On April 15 2015 05:49 Excludos wrote:On April 15 2015 02:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Is there any actual proof of this "the more mvp you get equals more elo points" theory which you are saying as if it is truth? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=312582297It is confirmed, yes. So what affects your rank (points gained or lost) in a nutshell is:
Current Elo Points (rank)
Round Win/Loss
MVPs Gained I should probably have posted this earlier. But I've been on my phone for the most part and its a hassle to google through links when you are. I haven't read the whole thing but IMHO this guide doesn't prove anything other than speculating on how their system really works. Nothing confirmed at all. Just look at the section "Official Reply from Valve on this Guide" where Valve basically says "our system is significantly different and more complex than Elo". Also, don't forget the end warning dated from 12 April 2015 : "Due to some unknown recent changes to the Ranking Algorithm, this guide might no longer be accurate or valid at all and may or may not be updated." So yeah, unless Valve release an official statement telling us exacly how it works, we can only speculate. You're right, its not an official statement. I thought there was a confirming statement by Valve in there somewhere, before I realized that this will never happen. However this is by far the most thought out, well written and most researched article about the cs:go ranking, and everything Valve has stated has so far been in line with it, including that things like headshots, kills, k/d ratio etc does not have any impact on the ELO. You are however of course entitled to believe whatever you want in this case, but as we don't really have anything else to go on, this seems by far the most sensible thing to follow as of yet. The one thing that really irks me about this, if true, is that you don't lose any more points by leaving a match. Which means if you think you're going to lose, instead of holding your own and trying to make a comeback, you're better off just leaving right away and cut your losses. Edit: Should also note the..note on the bottom of the page: [!] FINAL UPDATE (12 Apr 2015)
WARNING: Due to some unknown recent changes to the Ranking Algorithm, this guide might no longer be accurate or valid at all and may or may not be updated. -RetriButioN (12 Apr 2015) Have you even read your own link properly? It's a guide with no foundation. It doesn't matter how many words or how eloquently it is written if it isn't true. The official reply from valve basically says in the kindest words possible that everything written there are unfactual. It is just some random guy typing up how he thinks cs go ranking is determined. He is very convinced that mvp is one of the most important factors for ranking, but no reason is given, not even anecdotal reason.
Did you and I read the same link..?
Listen: There will never and can never be an official statement from Valve with "this is how our elo system works", as that would open up for gaming the system. ALL you can have is a theory based on how ELO works in general, experience and numbers from your own rank/played matches, and a geniune understanding of algorithms. When you work those things together, you can do your own research and write your own in depth article with how you understand it works. Meanwhile, this is by far the best one we have. You are free to believe in it or not (Al tough how you can possibly think you know more than someone who's researched the subject by sitting at home and "thinking about it" is beyond me), but unless you can find me a guide that's equally well done, this is the one I will follow.
edit: And how in the world did you read Valve's statement about what type of system they use as "this guide is wrong"? Seriously, some people should stop trying to read inbetween the lines and instead read the actual content.
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Sigh. Didn't play MM in a while, just started again. 2 games, 2 brand spanking new unranked accounts in each game. The first two were fairly obviously toggling, the other 2 might have 'just' been smurfs...
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Opponent team at least 2 hackers and/or smurfs with abnormal kill difference. Our team has 3 stack with "i dont care" attitude and one leaver AND idiots don't survive. I hope all die cancer.
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I had a guy getting VAC banned ingame yesterday. Pretty funny.
Except that he got banned in round 3 and the other guys still played serious because they didn't believe me that the game wouldn't count towards elo anyway. -.-
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Man, from the sounds of it, cheating has gone rampant yet again in the last couple of days or something? On EU at least?
This is REALLY an area Valve need to work in. We get VAC auth errors in pro matches all the time causing super annoying waiting times of up to 15 minutes a lot (for example see FaceIT last night) and on the other side, VAC barely keeps any cheaters out from what it seems.
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On April 15 2015 23:32 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 20:33 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On April 15 2015 17:18 Excludos wrote:On April 15 2015 08:13 DPK wrote:On April 15 2015 05:49 Excludos wrote:On April 15 2015 02:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Is there any actual proof of this "the more mvp you get equals more elo points" theory which you are saying as if it is truth? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=312582297It is confirmed, yes. So what affects your rank (points gained or lost) in a nutshell is:
Current Elo Points (rank)
Round Win/Loss
MVPs Gained I should probably have posted this earlier. But I've been on my phone for the most part and its a hassle to google through links when you are. I haven't read the whole thing but IMHO this guide doesn't prove anything other than speculating on how their system really works. Nothing confirmed at all. Just look at the section "Official Reply from Valve on this Guide" where Valve basically says "our system is significantly different and more complex than Elo". Also, don't forget the end warning dated from 12 April 2015 : "Due to some unknown recent changes to the Ranking Algorithm, this guide might no longer be accurate or valid at all and may or may not be updated." So yeah, unless Valve release an official statement telling us exacly how it works, we can only speculate. You're right, its not an official statement. I thought there was a confirming statement by Valve in there somewhere, before I realized that this will never happen. However this is by far the most thought out, well written and most researched article about the cs:go ranking, and everything Valve has stated has so far been in line with it, including that things like headshots, kills, k/d ratio etc does not have any impact on the ELO. You are however of course entitled to believe whatever you want in this case, but as we don't really have anything else to go on, this seems by far the most sensible thing to follow as of yet. The one thing that really irks me about this, if true, is that you don't lose any more points by leaving a match. Which means if you think you're going to lose, instead of holding your own and trying to make a comeback, you're better off just leaving right away and cut your losses. Edit: Should also note the..note on the bottom of the page: [!] FINAL UPDATE (12 Apr 2015)
WARNING: Due to some unknown recent changes to the Ranking Algorithm, this guide might no longer be accurate or valid at all and may or may not be updated. -RetriButioN (12 Apr 2015) Have you even read your own link properly? It's a guide with no foundation. It doesn't matter how many words or how eloquently it is written if it isn't true. The official reply from valve basically says in the kindest words possible that everything written there are unfactual. It is just some random guy typing up how he thinks cs go ranking is determined. He is very convinced that mvp is one of the most important factors for ranking, but no reason is given, not even anecdotal reason. Did you and I read the same link..? Listen: There will never and can never be an official statement from Valve with "this is how our elo system works", as that would open up for gaming the system. ALL you can have is a theory based on how ELO works in general, experience and numbers from your own rank/played matches, and a geniune understanding of algorithms. When you work those things together, you can do your own research and write your own in depth article with how you understand it works. Meanwhile, this is by far the best one we have. You are free to believe in it or not (Al tough how you can possibly think you know more than someone who's researched the subject by sitting at home and "thinking about it" is beyond me), but unless you can find me a guide that's equally well done, this is the one I will follow. edit: And how in the world did you read Valve's statement about what type of system they use as "this guide is wrong"? Seriously, some people should stop trying to read inbetween the lines and instead read the actual content. OK, you keep insisting what "someone who's researched the subject by sitting at home and "thinking about it"" (your words not mine) is truth and that mvp is more important than winning the match, and I'll ask every single time, where is the evidence?
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On April 17 2015 02:19 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 23:32 Excludos wrote:On April 15 2015 20:33 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On April 15 2015 17:18 Excludos wrote:On April 15 2015 08:13 DPK wrote:On April 15 2015 05:49 Excludos wrote:On April 15 2015 02:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Is there any actual proof of this "the more mvp you get equals more elo points" theory which you are saying as if it is truth? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=312582297It is confirmed, yes. So what affects your rank (points gained or lost) in a nutshell is:
Current Elo Points (rank)
Round Win/Loss
MVPs Gained I should probably have posted this earlier. But I've been on my phone for the most part and its a hassle to google through links when you are. I haven't read the whole thing but IMHO this guide doesn't prove anything other than speculating on how their system really works. Nothing confirmed at all. Just look at the section "Official Reply from Valve on this Guide" where Valve basically says "our system is significantly different and more complex than Elo". Also, don't forget the end warning dated from 12 April 2015 : "Due to some unknown recent changes to the Ranking Algorithm, this guide might no longer be accurate or valid at all and may or may not be updated." So yeah, unless Valve release an official statement telling us exacly how it works, we can only speculate. You're right, its not an official statement. I thought there was a confirming statement by Valve in there somewhere, before I realized that this will never happen. However this is by far the most thought out, well written and most researched article about the cs:go ranking, and everything Valve has stated has so far been in line with it, including that things like headshots, kills, k/d ratio etc does not have any impact on the ELO. You are however of course entitled to believe whatever you want in this case, but as we don't really have anything else to go on, this seems by far the most sensible thing to follow as of yet. The one thing that really irks me about this, if true, is that you don't lose any more points by leaving a match. Which means if you think you're going to lose, instead of holding your own and trying to make a comeback, you're better off just leaving right away and cut your losses. Edit: Should also note the..note on the bottom of the page: [!] FINAL UPDATE (12 Apr 2015)
WARNING: Due to some unknown recent changes to the Ranking Algorithm, this guide might no longer be accurate or valid at all and may or may not be updated. -RetriButioN (12 Apr 2015) Have you even read your own link properly? It's a guide with no foundation. It doesn't matter how many words or how eloquently it is written if it isn't true. The official reply from valve basically says in the kindest words possible that everything written there are unfactual. It is just some random guy typing up how he thinks cs go ranking is determined. He is very convinced that mvp is one of the most important factors for ranking, but no reason is given, not even anecdotal reason. Did you and I read the same link..? Listen: There will never and can never be an official statement from Valve with "this is how our elo system works", as that would open up for gaming the system. ALL you can have is a theory based on how ELO works in general, experience and numbers from your own rank/played matches, and a geniune understanding of algorithms. When you work those things together, you can do your own research and write your own in depth article with how you understand it works. Meanwhile, this is by far the best one we have. You are free to believe in it or not (Al tough how you can possibly think you know more than someone who's researched the subject by sitting at home and "thinking about it" is beyond me), but unless you can find me a guide that's equally well done, this is the one I will follow. edit: And how in the world did you read Valve's statement about what type of system they use as "this guide is wrong"? Seriously, some people should stop trying to read inbetween the lines and instead read the actual content. OK, you keep insisting what "someone who's researched the subject by sitting at home and "thinking about it"" (your words not mine) is truth and that mvp is more important than winning the match, and I'll ask every single time, where is the evidence?
Lol, no. I never said that. I think you just proved you are not capable of actually reading, which makes this whole conversation kinda pointless now doesn't it? I'll make it easier for you by putting in a superfluous comma:
"Al tough how you can possibly think you know more than someone who's researched the subject, by sitting at home and "thinking about it", is beyond me"
and I'll say again: there will NEVER be proof. If you're looking for it, you wont find it. Just like there is no proof that the universe isn't endless (or is for that matter), but we have to base our theories upon working knowledge of the subject field, which whoever wrote this guide shows he has plenty of. You are free to believe in whatever you want, its not like global warming were you're actively contributing to the problem by not believing in it.
(No! Do not start a discussion about global warming! There's another thread for it if you feel like you can't possibly keep your fingers away from the keyboard. If it has to be directed to me I'll also take PMs)
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