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I1ussion
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany10 Posts
January 16 2015 14:53 GMT
#1
Since Team Liquid now has its own League of Legends and Counter Strike: Global Offensive team, will these two games be added to the liquipedia? I do not really know the circumstances under which a game gets added, but i suppose its the ones where TL has a team. I would be very pleased if i would see it there, because the leaguepedia takes pretty much time to update and i don't know a page like Liquipedia for CS:GO.
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-16 14:57:25
January 16 2015 14:57 GMT
#2
There is a fair number of CSGO wikis already:

http://www.clanwiki.nu/wiki/Main_Page
http://kniferound.net/wiki/Main_Page

Don't think we need more unless it's the best. If TL could strike a deal with eg clanwiki to import all that data, it would be faboulous as the LP sites >> the other wikis generally
maru G5L pls
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
January 16 2015 14:59 GMT
#3
Guys from liquipedia are actually working on kniferound if im not mistaken, or at least some of them
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I1ussion
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany10 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-16 15:01:49
January 16 2015 15:01 GMT
#4
Thanks for the site neptun.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
January 16 2015 15:13 GMT
#5
Definitely considering it. Wiki's are not an easy decision as we really need a lot of community support to make it happen.
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FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4952 Posts
January 16 2015 15:43 GMT
#6
There is some overlap between kniferound and LP, this is right. However, since we always want to make the best wikis, we need a lot of people to make it happen, and thus starting a wiki is always a hard decission.
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Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
January 16 2015 16:14 GMT
#7
On January 17 2015 00:43 FO-nTTaX wrote:
There is some overlap between kniferound and LP, this is right. However, since we always want to make the best wikis, we need a lot of people to make it happen, and thus starting a wiki is always a hard decission.

I've visited kniferound, and there is a severe lack of content (and it is still an understatement) and afaik it is rarely ever used.
These kind of things require a ton of people and dedication. Would be really cool, but it won't be easy.
Gof
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden120 Posts
January 16 2015 16:16 GMT
#8
A Liquipedia for CS:GO would be godsend.
FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4952 Posts
January 16 2015 16:21 GMT
#9
On January 17 2015 01:14 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2015 00:43 FO-nTTaX wrote:
There is some overlap between kniferound and LP, this is right. However, since we always want to make the best wikis, we need a lot of people to make it happen, and thus starting a wiki is always a hard decission.

I've visited kniferound, and there is a severe lack of content (and it is still an understatement) and afaik it is rarely ever used.
These kind of things require a ton of people and dedication. Would be really cool, but it won't be easy.

The thing is: Give us a reason to believe more people would edit a Liquipedia wiki than the kniferound wiki.
Administrator@FO_nTTaX | FO-nTTaX.de | 0xff0000.dev | Senior Lead Liquipedia Developer
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wun4
Profile Joined March 2011
Slovakia91 Posts
January 16 2015 16:41 GMT
#10
I think a Global Offensive wiki would be a very smart decision, since there isn't, a very popular wiki for it, quite yet (though I am aware of the attempts). It was certainly pretty cool to see how excited r/GlobalOffensive got about the idea. For similar reasons I also think that a full community page makes a lot of sense. Although HLTV.org is very popular, there definitely is a lot of room for a site targeted at a more civilized conversation. But that's a bit off topic...

As for LoL, I think it would be much harder to create a wiki with similar impact in the LoL community as other Liquipedia wikies have in their respective communities. Who knows, though, perhaps it would still be worth a shot.
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
January 16 2015 16:50 GMT
#11
On January 17 2015 01:21 FO-nTTaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2015 01:14 Roggay wrote:
On January 17 2015 00:43 FO-nTTaX wrote:
There is some overlap between kniferound and LP, this is right. However, since we always want to make the best wikis, we need a lot of people to make it happen, and thus starting a wiki is always a hard decission.

I've visited kniferound, and there is a severe lack of content (and it is still an understatement) and afaik it is rarely ever used.
These kind of things require a ton of people and dedication. Would be really cool, but it won't be easy.

The thing is: Give us a reason to believe more people would edit a Liquipedia wiki than the kniferound wiki.

Oh yea I completely agree.
Even keeping tournaments informations to the standard set by hltv would be a very hard thing to do (upcoming matches hour by hour).
aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
January 16 2015 18:52 GMT
#12
On January 17 2015 01:21 FO-nTTaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2015 01:14 Roggay wrote:
On January 17 2015 00:43 FO-nTTaX wrote:
There is some overlap between kniferound and LP, this is right. However, since we always want to make the best wikis, we need a lot of people to make it happen, and thus starting a wiki is always a hard decission.

I've visited kniferound, and there is a severe lack of content (and it is still an understatement) and afaik it is rarely ever used.
These kind of things require a ton of people and dedication. Would be really cool, but it won't be easy.

The thing is: Give us a reason to believe more people would edit a Liquipedia wiki than the kniferound wiki.

The reason to believe is... this is TeamLiquid! The most dedicated community in gaming!
Wahaha
Vanix
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada59 Posts
January 16 2015 19:05 GMT
#13
Would it just be strictly CS:GO or would it incorporate the other games like 1.6 and Source?
FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4952 Posts
January 16 2015 21:06 GMT
#14
On January 17 2015 04:05 Vanix wrote:
Would it just be strictly CS:GO or would it incorporate the other games like 1.6 and Source?

nothing is set at this point, we are open to talk about a possible new wiki, but nothing is fixed at the moment
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F1nal
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany216 Posts
January 16 2015 21:23 GMT
#15
Please go for itm would love to see a Wiki for CS GO
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salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-17 03:20:23
January 17 2015 03:19 GMT
#16
A wiki needs contributors though, without the people who actually put in time and effort the content doesn't reach the level where it can take off and become sustainable because the content is so good it drives it's own traffic. Hence it's good that there's a lot of people who'd love a wiki to read, but we need to know that there's a significant number of people who are willing to roll up their sleeves and help out make it.
Administrator"Ambitious but rubbish!" - Jeremy Clarkson
ForcesEqualZero
Profile Joined April 2013
United States17 Posts
January 17 2015 04:27 GMT
#17
On January 17 2015 01:21 FO-nTTaX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2015 01:14 Roggay wrote:
On January 17 2015 00:43 FO-nTTaX wrote:
There is some overlap between kniferound and LP, this is right. However, since we always want to make the best wikis, we need a lot of people to make it happen, and thus starting a wiki is always a hard decission.

I've visited kniferound, and there is a severe lack of content (and it is still an understatement) and afaik it is rarely ever used.
These kind of things require a ton of people and dedication. Would be really cool, but it won't be easy.

The thing is: Give us a reason to believe more people would edit a Liquipedia wiki than the kniferound wiki.

Well, name value is one. Everyone in esports knows liquipedia, not many know kniferound outside of CS:GO
Vanix
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada59 Posts
January 17 2015 06:27 GMT
#18
On January 17 2015 12:19 salle wrote:
A wiki needs contributors though, without the people who actually put in time and effort the content doesn't reach the level where it can take off and become sustainable because the content is so good it drives it's own traffic. Hence it's good that there's a lot of people who'd love a wiki to read, but we need to know that there's a significant number of people who are willing to roll up their sleeves and help out make it.


I would bring up eSportspedia for Call of Duty as a good example of what happens when people don't contribute to a wiki. You end up with half-assed coverage of the scene that only focuses on one region, with little regard for smaller events. There are certainly other factors in play like their dependence on Twitter for news and their poor journalism over the last decade, but strictly speaking about wikis, they all need a sufficient number of volunteers to function properly.
GuiBz
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada108 Posts
January 17 2015 06:54 GMT
#19
On January 17 2015 00:13 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Definitely considering it. Wiki's are not an easy decision as we really need a lot of community support to make it happen.


Their's so much people on CS:GO reddit, I'm sure a lot of people would be interrested to participate to build a CS:GO liquipedia
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
January 17 2015 13:10 GMT
#20
Interesting that this thread centers around kniferound when clanwiki is better contentwise :p
maru G5L pls
mki
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Poland882 Posts
January 17 2015 13:33 GMT
#21
Do you have stats from the CS:GO forum that you monitor to see the activity of CS:GO players on TL? Tell us what we need to do to prove to you guys that we'd be an active community updating the CS:GO Liquipedia.
Head of New Business at Team Kinguin :: https://www.teamkinguin.com
Kotreb
Profile Joined June 2011
Croatia1392 Posts
January 17 2015 13:48 GMT
#22
On January 17 2015 22:33 mki wrote:
Do you have stats from the CS:GO forum that you monitor to see the activity of CS:GO players on TL? Tell us what we need to do to prove to you guys that we'd be an active community updating the CS:GO Liquipedia.

I'm guessing we should probably start writing since it's the most important thing/part of a wiki. I'm guessing that without a doubt liquid cs wiki would have a lot of hits, but as far as from what i've gathered the problem is about content.
If you don't sin Jesus died for nothing.
yowza
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland210 Posts
January 17 2015 15:01 GMT
#23
Umm there's hardly need for a LoL section in the liquipedia considering leaguepedia is already amazing, in fact probably better than liquipedia.

http://lol.gamepedia.com/League_of_Legends_Wiki

http://lol.gamepedia.com/Team_Liquid
derp
salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
January 17 2015 16:36 GMT
#24
On January 18 2015 00:01 yowza wrote:
Umm there's hardly need for a LoL section in the liquipedia considering leaguepedia is already amazing, in fact probably better than liquipedia.

http://lol.gamepedia.com/League_of_Legends_Wiki

http://lol.gamepedia.com/Team_Liquid

O_O
Administrator"Ambitious but rubbish!" - Jeremy Clarkson
Mohs
Profile Joined January 2015
Portugal2 Posts
January 17 2015 17:47 GMT
#25
I'd definitely be up for it. Done quite a few edits on the SC2 edits under the name of decotta and would be glad to help you out whenever possible. The quality of Liquipedia is surely needed for CS:GO!
aike
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1629 Posts
January 17 2015 18:29 GMT
#26
On January 18 2015 00:01 yowza wrote:
Umm there's hardly need for a LoL section in the liquipedia considering leaguepedia is already amazing, in fact probably better than liquipedia.

http://lol.gamepedia.com/League_of_Legends_Wiki

http://lol.gamepedia.com/Team_Liquid

Idk man... every time I look at leaguepedia I feel like they just stole most of their stuff from Liquipedia lol.
Wahaha
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
January 17 2015 23:53 GMT
#27
I just really started to heavily follow CSGO like I did 1.6 so I will without a doubt help out when I can if/when TL decides to venture into a CSGO wiki
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SC.Chia
Profile Joined April 2013
Denmark2 Posts
January 18 2015 12:08 GMT
#28
On January 16 2015 23:57 neptunusfisk wrote:
There is a fair number of CSGO wikis already:

http://www.clanwiki.nu/wiki/Main_Page
http://kniferound.net/wiki/Main_Page

Don't think we need more unless it's the best. If TL could strike a deal with eg clanwiki to import all that data, it would be faboulous as the LP sites >> the other wikis generally


Those wiki's are not very good though.

I always loved TL's wiki sites for both Dota2 and SC2. They have a good structure and always contains a lot of information and I'm sure with the dedication people that are TL fans put into these wiki's that if they decide to make one (plz do!) it will be better than all the current ones.
salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
January 18 2015 12:30 GMT
#29
The majority of the people who made the Dota 2 and SC2 wikis are either gone and not interested in esports/don't have time for it or they are still editing but just want to edit the wiki for their game. That is why we need new people who tell us they are interested in helping out for new titles.
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mki
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Poland882 Posts
January 18 2015 13:26 GMT
#30
On January 18 2015 21:30 salle wrote:
The majority of the people who made the Dota 2 and SC2 wikis are either gone and not interested in esports/don't have time for it or they are still editing but just want to edit the wiki for their game. That is why we need new people who tell us they are interested in helping out for new titles.


OK thanks -

well a few notables already have stated they'd be willing to help out. Dustin Mouret even stated that he'd help out with NA stuff - and I already saw a bunch of people state they'd help out in the reddit thread!
Head of New Business at Team Kinguin :: https://www.teamkinguin.com
salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
January 18 2015 14:38 GMT
#31
Yupp I think there were around 10 people who said they'd help out on reddit and twitter which is great.
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mki
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Poland882 Posts
January 18 2015 15:22 GMT
#32
On January 18 2015 23:38 salle wrote:
Yupp I think there were around 10 people who said they'd help out on reddit and twitter which is great.


Hey I know you stated that you're looking for around 120 contributors to help keep the Liquipedia updated - but how much do you need to get it started. What other factors need to come together?
Head of New Business at Team Kinguin :: https://www.teamkinguin.com
FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4952 Posts
January 18 2015 15:33 GMT
#33
starting a wiki is mostly done by a few particularly interested people, that copy over templates, start the first pages as references, do the coding work that is needed etc. After that the first controíbutors (mostly some of our well known contributors from the contributors forum and chat) will start helping out, up to the day the wiki gets officially announced and opens its doors to the public.

At least this is how it was done the last few times we opened a wiki.
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DreamR
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United Kingdom168 Posts
May 20 2015 12:27 GMT
#34
[QUOTE]On January 16 2015 23:57 neptunusfisk wrote:
There is a fair number of CSGO wikis already:

[url=http://www.clanwiki.nu/wiki/Main_Page]http://www.clanwiki.nu/wiki/Main_Page[/url]
[url=http://kniferound.net/wiki/Main_Page]http://kniferound.net/wiki/Main_Page[/url]

KNIFE ROUND is gone?
i cant find it
This game saved me from ending it.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
May 20 2015 13:03 GMT
#35
Kniferound is merging with Liquipedia I think
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
May 20 2015 16:43 GMT
#36
Kniferound is down because of cloudflare issues. Thats all i know about it
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
May 21 2015 01:13 GMT
#37
csgo would be so cool
mainly because in lol well every lol tournament has nice groups standings etc but in cs go ? its like 10 years in cs the tournamt has shitty pages feels like html and upgrades the groups every 30 hours in a 2 day tournament xD
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Pembar
Profile Joined November 2011
297 Posts
May 27 2015 08:22 GMT
#38
On May 20 2015 22:03 ahswtini wrote:
Kniferound is merging with Liquipedia I think


Source?
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
May 28 2015 15:33 GMT
#39
Yeah a CS GO liquipedia would be sick, but would need a lot if community support. I'm always seeing lots of different things in the pro scene and keeping up with it would be really nice. It's surely a lot of data to compile tho
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FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4952 Posts
May 28 2015 16:52 GMT
#40
On May 29 2015 00:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Yeah a CS GO liquipedia would be sick, but would need a lot if community support. I'm always seeing lots of different things in the pro scene and keeping up with it would be really nice. It's surely a lot of data to compile tho

Yeah that's the main issue for starting a wiki. We need to see the will in the community to help with it, before we start smth.
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bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-28 18:31:17
May 28 2015 18:17 GMT
#41
On January 18 2015 00:01 yowza wrote:
Umm there's hardly need for a LoL section in the liquipedia considering leaguepedia is already amazing, in fact probably better than liquipedia.

http://lol.gamepedia.com/League_of_Legends_Wiki

http://lol.gamepedia.com/Team_Liquid

Hope this was a joke and I didn't catch the irony.
All i can say is "Lol" ... This wiki is so ugly ... Content not fitting the layout. The Sitemap is awful. Not responsive. I could go on for some time i guess ... far from what is state of the art.
TL did an awesome job with all of their wiki's. I'd go as far and call it one of those wikis which define "state of the art".
And I would be glad for some good CS:GO wiki
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FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4952 Posts
May 28 2015 21:17 GMT
#42
well there are two big wikis already with kniferound.net and clanwiki.nu
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Pembar
Profile Joined November 2011
297 Posts
May 29 2015 07:08 GMT
#43
On May 29 2015 06:17 FO-nTTaX wrote:
well there are two big wikis already with kniferound.net and clanwiki.nu


Kniferound has been down since the 16th of May. ugh.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
May 29 2015 07:48 GMT
#44
On May 27 2015 17:22 Pembar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 22:03 ahswtini wrote:
Kniferound is merging with Liquipedia I think


Source?

i remember the idea being floated in another thread
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
May 29 2015 18:24 GMT
#45
On May 29 2015 06:17 FO-nTTaX wrote:
well there are two big wikis already with kniferound.net and clanwiki.nu

which was mentioned several times allready
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4952 Posts
May 29 2015 18:28 GMT
#46
I know, i read the thread ^^
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