The Big Patch Thread - Page 17

On December 12 2015 04:58 zzdd wrote:

If you didn't see how it completely breaks the game pre-nerf then you must not have a good understanding of the game. I don't think it's possible to have a different opinion than that if you know the game.

To clarify, for example, we take an eco round, normally you buy a pistol, maybe shotgun/smg and try to get some damage/kills. With the R8, you will get kills. There is no try with this gun. Paying $850 (!!!!!) on an eco, getting a kill, and then taking the enemies rifle is completely game breaking right there. This gun is a multiple shot zeus than can also kill long range. It was literally an awp without a scope. If you don't think that's completely game breaking right there than we must be playing different games.

Compared to a nova (which is not a one hit kill normally) which is $1200, you instead can get an R8 and also a smoke or two flashes for the same price and have a better chance at killing your enemy and better utility. It also is better in every way than a nova. If you get a kill with a nova, you drop your nova for their rifle meaning you lose your $1200 investment for a $2700-$3100 gun. With the R8, you lose zero investment and gain $2700-$3100. There is NO downside to this weapon. It makes the other pistols and shotguns obsolete on ecos. Ecos are where you should be trying to make your enemies rebuy guns so they don't snowball in terms of money. With the R8, you can just win the round no matter what the enemies had. It completely goes against everything this game has been balanced on before this point. It is absurd if you didn't think this was game breaking as fuck.

On December 12 2015 13:08 Censured wrote:


Yeah I said the gun was completely OP pre-nerf, and I think the right click is still pretty OP. As I said before I don't like the "charge" mechanic, but still it somehow balances the huge damage and good accuracy while running. What needs fixing is the right click:
1) Completely RNG accuracy
2) Still pretty deadly close range (as you said maybe better than nova/cz-75)
3) I dont like how good is this with awp as a side arm close range cannon. Same thing was the cz-75 until they changed the switch time, now I would rather have p250 with awp than cz
Other than that, I think the left click is fine right now. Have no idea how to fix it other than completely remove the right click (and maybe change back the charge time to 0.333 again?). Even with that I would rather go for a deagle 9/10 times.

On December 12 2015 13:46 zzdd wrote:

My mistake then. I thought you said it wasn't OP pre-nerf.

I don't think a gun where you get 100% moving accuracy should do insane damage even with slow firing. If they nerfed movement accuracy, that might actually balance the gun to a degree.

I don't think the delay is really that big a deal because it gives you time to aim and if the enemy moves, you know they don't have a good shot on you (for the most part). If they stand still, you get can get a free hit and maybe kill if you get the hs which isn't too hard to get because of how accurate it is. Since you can just move around as they're standing still, they have to compensate their aim while you're just lining up your easy shot. I would only use left click for long range and never for close range.

If you peek at far distances and hold close distances, you can play to the gun's strengths, making it really strong on ecos. Of course, if you miss your shot, you're more likely to get punished but that goes for most sniper like guns. If the gun was $1300 or $1400, I think that would make it tolerable to leave in the game as is but I still think it needs some kind of nerf.

On December 12 2015 16:23 porkRaven wrote:
I mean if we're getting personal I'd like to casually mention that Censured is a total scum bag. He always shoots me whenever we try to knife duel :D

On December 12 2015 21:26 Nagisama wrote:
But... they shortened it compared to MM times.

On December 12 2015 17:57 Censured wrote:

Yeah but 850 is still a lot for an eco. If it would cost 1300/1400 I personally would never buy it.

The thing about moving around while shooting - maybe nerf the moving speed with it then? Nerf it to something absurd, like negev moving speed or something. I mean it wouldnt make any sense (why would you move so slow with a pistol), but I think that would help that problem. But I would still rather have the insane moving accuracy on R8 than the right click shotgun mode. IMO that's the real problem, it does much better job close range than cz-75 which is kinda designed for close range only. And it goes perfectly together with an awp. If they fix these 2 issues the gun is completely fine in my eyes.