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On November 06 2015 23:29 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Anyone know if I buy the virtual ticket if they'll flag my account for an invite during the next wave?
Waste of money.
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If the Origins pack costs 60$ and comes with a bunch of skins and free shit for other games, you can bet there's a starter edition somewhere that costs 0-20$ and only comes with a bunch of/all heroes.
Everything Blizz has done with this game so far screams of eSports. You don't compete with CS:GO by charging 60$ for a game that also sells skins/emotes/whatever.
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What was the initial price of CS:GO that sells skins?
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I bought it in a steam sale, like $5 i think?
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On November 07 2015 00:29 Pwere wrote:
If the Origins pack costs 60$ and comes with a bunch of skins and free shit for other games, you can bet there's a starter edition somewhere that costs 0-20$ and only comes with a bunch of/all heroes.
Everything Blizz has done with this game so far screams of eSports. You don't compete with CS:GO by charging 60$ for a game that also sells skins/emotes/whatever.
not free if you paid $60 for them.
It's like your "free" airplane meals (and "free" salted peanuts!) for a 12 hour trans-pacific flight that costs you $960.99 one way because you bought the ticket the last minute.
at this point they're shit, not free shit.
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my hypothesis is...
they will have a difficult time selling a multiplayer only arena combat game for a full $60 price tag.
therefore, the game is $60 at GameStop for the "Origins Edition" because it comes with 1 "campaign style" segment that involves the "origin story" of the character on the cover.
Blizzard will release subsequent "Origin Stories" for various characters at a price of $5 to $20 periodically.
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On November 06 2015 23:29 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Anyone know if I buy the virtual ticket if they'll flag my account for an invite during the next wave?
I dont think the virtual ticket mentions anything about beta access so no, why would it Oo.
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On November 07 2015 00:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
my hypothesis is...
they will have a difficult time selling a multiplayer only arena combat game for a full $60 price tag.
therefore, the game is $60 at GameStop for the "Origins Edition" because it comes with 1 "campaign style" segment that involves the "origin story" of the character on the cover.
Blizzard will release subsequent "Origin Stories" for various characters at a price of $5 to $20 periodically.
so Overwatch is going full Destiny.
never go full Destiny.
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On November 07 2015 00:57 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 00:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
my hypothesis is...
they will have a difficult time selling a multiplayer only arena combat game for a full $60 price tag.
therefore, the game is $60 at GameStop for the "Origins Edition" because it comes with 1 "campaign style" segment that involves the "origin story" of the character on the cover.
Blizzard will release subsequent "Origin Stories" for various characters at a price of $5 to $20 periodically.
so Overwatch is going full Destiny. never go full Destiny.
Sigh, again.
We know nothing right now...
The price may well be a placeholder, the date is a placeholder. Try and wait a few more hours and we will likely have the info.
Blizzcon starts in 3 hours. Overwatch main panel is in 9 hours.
Lets try and wait for the actual information. and if they are then trying to sell you a multiplayer game for 60 bucks. by all means flame away.
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On November 07 2015 00:57 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 00:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
my hypothesis is...
they will have a difficult time selling a multiplayer only arena combat game for a full $60 price tag.
therefore, the game is $60 at GameStop for the "Origins Edition" because it comes with 1 "campaign style" segment that involves the "origin story" of the character on the cover.
Blizzard will release subsequent "Origin Stories" for various characters at a price of $5 to $20 periodically.
so Overwatch is going full Destiny. never go full Destiny.
Destiny is pretty good IMO. Not perfect, but its very fun. But its pretty clear you have your opinion on the game.
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On November 07 2015 00:57 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 00:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
my hypothesis is...
they will have a difficult time selling a multiplayer only arena combat game for a full $60 price tag.
therefore, the game is $60 at GameStop for the "Origins Edition" because it comes with 1 "campaign style" segment that involves the "origin story" of the character on the cover.
Blizzard will release subsequent "Origin Stories" for various characters at a price of $5 to $20 periodically.
so Overwatch is going full Destiny. never go full Destiny.
What part of "hypothesis" doesn't make sense to you?
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On November 07 2015 01:03 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 00:57 ref4 wrote:On November 07 2015 00:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
my hypothesis is...
they will have a difficult time selling a multiplayer only arena combat game for a full $60 price tag.
therefore, the game is $60 at GameStop for the "Origins Edition" because it comes with 1 "campaign style" segment that involves the "origin story" of the character on the cover.
Blizzard will release subsequent "Origin Stories" for various characters at a price of $5 to $20 periodically.
so Overwatch is going full Destiny. never go full Destiny. Sigh, again. We know nothing right now... The price may well be a placeholder, the date is a placeholder. Try and wait a few more hours and we will likely have the info. Blizzcon starts in 3 hours. Overwatch main panel is in 9 hours. Lets try and wait for the actual information. and if they are then trying to sell you a multiplayer game for 60 bucks. by all means flame away.
but that's so far awaaaaaaaay
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On November 07 2015 00:47 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 00:29 Pwere wrote:
If the Origins pack costs 60$ and comes with a bunch of skins and free shit for other games, you can bet there's a starter edition somewhere that costs 0-20$ and only comes with a bunch of/all heroes.
Everything Blizz has done with this game so far screams of eSports. You don't compete with CS:GO by charging 60$ for a game that also sells skins/emotes/whatever. not free if you paid $60 for them. It's like your "free" airplane meals (and "free" salted peanuts!) for a 12 hour trans-pacific flight that costs you $960.99 one way because you bought the ticket the last minute. at this point they're shit, not free shit. Seriously, why do you feel the need to post something like this? We all know free shit is not free. You paid for a ticket to attend an event, then you won free shit. You got 100 wins in HS, you got a free mount in HotS. It's not free, you played hours for it!
At least try to address the main point of the post: Blizz needs to compete with CS:GO if they want eSports, and they can't do it if 60$ is the cheapest option (that somehow comes with free shit).
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On November 07 2015 01:12 Pwere wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 00:47 ref4 wrote:On November 07 2015 00:29 Pwere wrote:
If the Origins pack costs 60$ and comes with a bunch of skins and free shit for other games, you can bet there's a starter edition somewhere that costs 0-20$ and only comes with a bunch of/all heroes.
Everything Blizz has done with this game so far screams of eSports. You don't compete with CS:GO by charging 60$ for a game that also sells skins/emotes/whatever. not free if you paid $60 for them. It's like your "free" airplane meals (and "free" salted peanuts!) for a 12 hour trans-pacific flight that costs you $960.99 one way because you bought the ticket the last minute. at this point they're shit, not free shit. Seriously, why do you feel the need to post something like this? We all know free shit is not free. You paid for a ticket to attend an event, then you won free shit. You got 100 wins in HS, you got a free mount in HotS. It's not free, you played hours for it! At least try to address the main point of the post: Blizz needs to compete with CS:GO if they want eSports, and they can't do it if 60$ is the cheapest option (that somehow comes with free shit).
Why does Blizzard feel the need to push Overwatch to be a huge esport? WoW is doing just fine for such an old game without being an esport at all. They just need to keep reviving important lore characters with each new expansion to bum up sub numbers. HoTS is somewhat of a success financially without nobody watching it on twitch. Nobody watches Destiny, CoD, Assassin's Creed like the religious following of LoL/DOTA/CSGO but they're pretty successful financially.
I guess you can make a case for Hearthstone but then again they're competing with the non-existent digital version of Magic so they win automatically. (honestly why the hell is all of the Magic digital platforms so shit?)
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On November 07 2015 01:21 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 01:12 Pwere wrote:On November 07 2015 00:47 ref4 wrote:On November 07 2015 00:29 Pwere wrote:
If the Origins pack costs 60$ and comes with a bunch of skins and free shit for other games, you can bet there's a starter edition somewhere that costs 0-20$ and only comes with a bunch of/all heroes.
Everything Blizz has done with this game so far screams of eSports. You don't compete with CS:GO by charging 60$ for a game that also sells skins/emotes/whatever. not free if you paid $60 for them. It's like your "free" airplane meals (and "free" salted peanuts!) for a 12 hour trans-pacific flight that costs you $960.99 one way because you bought the ticket the last minute. at this point they're shit, not free shit. Seriously, why do you feel the need to post something like this? We all know free shit is not free. You paid for a ticket to attend an event, then you won free shit. You got 100 wins in HS, you got a free mount in HotS. It's not free, you played hours for it! At least try to address the main point of the post: Blizz needs to compete with CS:GO if they want eSports, and they can't do it if 60$ is the cheapest option (that somehow comes with free shit). Why does Blizzard feel the need to push Overwatch to be a huge esport? WoW is doing just fine for such an old game without being an esport at all. HoTS is somewhat of a success financially without nobody watching it. Nobody watches Destiny, CoD, Assassin's Creed like people religiously follow LoL/DOTA/CSGO but they're pretty successful financially. I guess you can make a case for Hearthstone but then again they're competing with the non-existent digital version of Magic so they win automatically. (honestly why the hell is all of the Magic digital platforms so shit?)
Where has Blizzard pushed Overwatch as an esports?
Players are trying to but I have yet to hear a word about it from Blizzard.
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On November 07 2015 01:21 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 01:12 Pwere wrote:On November 07 2015 00:47 ref4 wrote:On November 07 2015 00:29 Pwere wrote:
If the Origins pack costs 60$ and comes with a bunch of skins and free shit for other games, you can bet there's a starter edition somewhere that costs 0-20$ and only comes with a bunch of/all heroes.
Everything Blizz has done with this game so far screams of eSports. You don't compete with CS:GO by charging 60$ for a game that also sells skins/emotes/whatever. not free if you paid $60 for them. It's like your "free" airplane meals (and "free" salted peanuts!) for a 12 hour trans-pacific flight that costs you $960.99 one way because you bought the ticket the last minute. at this point they're shit, not free shit. Seriously, why do you feel the need to post something like this? We all know free shit is not free. You paid for a ticket to attend an event, then you won free shit. You got 100 wins in HS, you got a free mount in HotS. It's not free, you played hours for it! At least try to address the main point of the post: Blizz needs to compete with CS:GO if they want eSports, and they can't do it if 60$ is the cheapest option (that somehow comes with free shit). Why does Blizzard feel the need to push Overwatch to be a huge esport? WoW is doing just fine for such an old game without being an esport at all. HoTS is somewhat of a success financially without nobody watching it. Nobody watches Destiny, CoD, Assassin's Creed like people religiously follow LoL/DOTA/CSGO but they're pretty successful financially. I guess you can make a case for Hearthstone but then again they're competing with the non-existent digital version of Magic so they win automatically. (honestly why the hell is all of the Magic digital platforms so shit?)
Destiny is normally in the top ten of Twitch every night...
On November 07 2015 01:25 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 01:21 ref4 wrote:On November 07 2015 01:12 Pwere wrote:On November 07 2015 00:47 ref4 wrote:On November 07 2015 00:29 Pwere wrote:
If the Origins pack costs 60$ and comes with a bunch of skins and free shit for other games, you can bet there's a starter edition somewhere that costs 0-20$ and only comes with a bunch of/all heroes.
Everything Blizz has done with this game so far screams of eSports. You don't compete with CS:GO by charging 60$ for a game that also sells skins/emotes/whatever. not free if you paid $60 for them. It's like your "free" airplane meals (and "free" salted peanuts!) for a 12 hour trans-pacific flight that costs you $960.99 one way because you bought the ticket the last minute. at this point they're shit, not free shit. Seriously, why do you feel the need to post something like this? We all know free shit is not free. You paid for a ticket to attend an event, then you won free shit. You got 100 wins in HS, you got a free mount in HotS. It's not free, you played hours for it! At least try to address the main point of the post: Blizz needs to compete with CS:GO if they want eSports, and they can't do it if 60$ is the cheapest option (that somehow comes with free shit). Why does Blizzard feel the need to push Overwatch to be a huge esport? WoW is doing just fine for such an old game without being an esport at all. HoTS is somewhat of a success financially without nobody watching it. Nobody watches Destiny, CoD, Assassin's Creed like people religiously follow LoL/DOTA/CSGO but they're pretty successful financially. I guess you can make a case for Hearthstone but then again they're competing with the non-existent digital version of Magic so they win automatically. (honestly why the hell is all of the Magic digital platforms so shit?) Where has Blizzard pushed Overwatch as an esports? Players are trying to but I have yet to hear a word about it from Blizzard.
They are not. They likely will let people know about some tournament they are going to run later when they talk about the game at Blizzcon and that is it.
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On November 07 2015 01:25 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 01:21 ref4 wrote:On November 07 2015 01:12 Pwere wrote:On November 07 2015 00:47 ref4 wrote:On November 07 2015 00:29 Pwere wrote:
If the Origins pack costs 60$ and comes with a bunch of skins and free shit for other games, you can bet there's a starter edition somewhere that costs 0-20$ and only comes with a bunch of/all heroes.
Everything Blizz has done with this game so far screams of eSports. You don't compete with CS:GO by charging 60$ for a game that also sells skins/emotes/whatever. not free if you paid $60 for them. It's like your "free" airplane meals (and "free" salted peanuts!) for a 12 hour trans-pacific flight that costs you $960.99 one way because you bought the ticket the last minute. at this point they're shit, not free shit. Seriously, why do you feel the need to post something like this? We all know free shit is not free. You paid for a ticket to attend an event, then you won free shit. You got 100 wins in HS, you got a free mount in HotS. It's not free, you played hours for it! At least try to address the main point of the post: Blizz needs to compete with CS:GO if they want eSports, and they can't do it if 60$ is the cheapest option (that somehow comes with free shit). Why does Blizzard feel the need to push Overwatch to be a huge esport? WoW is doing just fine for such an old game without being an esport at all. HoTS is somewhat of a success financially without nobody watching it. Nobody watches Destiny, CoD, Assassin's Creed like people religiously follow LoL/DOTA/CSGO but they're pretty successful financially. I guess you can make a case for Hearthstone but then again they're competing with the non-existent digital version of Magic so they win automatically. (honestly why the hell is all of the Magic digital platforms so shit?) Destiny is normally in the top ten of Twitch every night... Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 01:25 Gorsameth wrote:On November 07 2015 01:21 ref4 wrote:On November 07 2015 01:12 Pwere wrote:On November 07 2015 00:47 ref4 wrote:On November 07 2015 00:29 Pwere wrote:
If the Origins pack costs 60$ and comes with a bunch of skins and free shit for other games, you can bet there's a starter edition somewhere that costs 0-20$ and only comes with a bunch of/all heroes.
Everything Blizz has done with this game so far screams of eSports. You don't compete with CS:GO by charging 60$ for a game that also sells skins/emotes/whatever. not free if you paid $60 for them. It's like your "free" airplane meals (and "free" salted peanuts!) for a 12 hour trans-pacific flight that costs you $960.99 one way because you bought the ticket the last minute. at this point they're shit, not free shit. Seriously, why do you feel the need to post something like this? We all know free shit is not free. You paid for a ticket to attend an event, then you won free shit. You got 100 wins in HS, you got a free mount in HotS. It's not free, you played hours for it! At least try to address the main point of the post: Blizz needs to compete with CS:GO if they want eSports, and they can't do it if 60$ is the cheapest option (that somehow comes with free shit). Why does Blizzard feel the need to push Overwatch to be a huge esport? WoW is doing just fine for such an old game without being an esport at all. HoTS is somewhat of a success financially without nobody watching it. Nobody watches Destiny, CoD, Assassin's Creed like people religiously follow LoL/DOTA/CSGO but they're pretty successful financially. I guess you can make a case for Hearthstone but then again they're competing with the non-existent digital version of Magic so they win automatically. (honestly why the hell is all of the Magic digital platforms so shit?) Where has Blizzard pushed Overwatch as an esports? Players are trying to but I have yet to hear a word about it from Blizzard. They are not. They likely will let people know about some tournament they are going to run later when they talk about the game at Blizzcon and that is it.
Like I said, I listed all the games that are making dough without being esport but I was replying to the person who said that Blizzard NEEDS to compete with CSGO.
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On November 07 2015 01:04 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 00:57 ref4 wrote:On November 07 2015 00:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
my hypothesis is...
they will have a difficult time selling a multiplayer only arena combat game for a full $60 price tag.
therefore, the game is $60 at GameStop for the "Origins Edition" because it comes with 1 "campaign style" segment that involves the "origin story" of the character on the cover.
Blizzard will release subsequent "Origin Stories" for various characters at a price of $5 to $20 periodically.
so Overwatch is going full Destiny. never go full Destiny. Destiny is pretty good IMO. Not perfect, but its very fun. But its pretty clear you have your opinion on the game.
even if one believes Destiny is terrible that does not mean the over all formula is unworkable.
Battleborn has the same formula as Destiny except it has scalable drop-in/drop-out co-op campaign stuff.
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On November 07 2015 01:30 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2015 01:25 Plansix wrote:On November 07 2015 01:21 ref4 wrote:On November 07 2015 01:12 Pwere wrote:On November 07 2015 00:47 ref4 wrote:On November 07 2015 00:29 Pwere wrote:
If the Origins pack costs 60$ and comes with a bunch of skins and free shit for other games, you can bet there's a starter edition somewhere that costs 0-20$ and only comes with a bunch of/all heroes.
Everything Blizz has done with this game so far screams of eSports. You don't compete with CS:GO by charging 60$ for a game that also sells skins/emotes/whatever. not free if you paid $60 for them. It's like your "free" airplane meals (and "free" salted peanuts!) for a 12 hour trans-pacific flight that costs you $960.99 one way because you bought the ticket the last minute. at this point they're shit, not free shit. Seriously, why do you feel the need to post something like this? We all know free shit is not free. You paid for a ticket to attend an event, then you won free shit. You got 100 wins in HS, you got a free mount in HotS. It's not free, you played hours for it! At least try to address the main point of the post: Blizz needs to compete with CS:GO if they want eSports, and they can't do it if 60$ is the cheapest option (that somehow comes with free shit). Why does Blizzard feel the need to push Overwatch to be a huge esport? WoW is doing just fine for such an old game without being an esport at all. HoTS is somewhat of a success financially without nobody watching it. Nobody watches Destiny, CoD, Assassin's Creed like people religiously follow LoL/DOTA/CSGO but they're pretty successful financially. I guess you can make a case for Hearthstone but then again they're competing with the non-existent digital version of Magic so they win automatically. (honestly why the hell is all of the Magic digital platforms so shit?) Destiny is normally in the top ten of Twitch every night... On November 07 2015 01:25 Gorsameth wrote:On November 07 2015 01:21 ref4 wrote:On November 07 2015 01:12 Pwere wrote:On November 07 2015 00:47 ref4 wrote:On November 07 2015 00:29 Pwere wrote:
If the Origins pack costs 60$ and comes with a bunch of skins and free shit for other games, you can bet there's a starter edition somewhere that costs 0-20$ and only comes with a bunch of/all heroes.
Everything Blizz has done with this game so far screams of eSports. You don't compete with CS:GO by charging 60$ for a game that also sells skins/emotes/whatever. not free if you paid $60 for them. It's like your "free" airplane meals (and "free" salted peanuts!) for a 12 hour trans-pacific flight that costs you $960.99 one way because you bought the ticket the last minute. at this point they're shit, not free shit. Seriously, why do you feel the need to post something like this? We all know free shit is not free. You paid for a ticket to attend an event, then you won free shit. You got 100 wins in HS, you got a free mount in HotS. It's not free, you played hours for it! At least try to address the main point of the post: Blizz needs to compete with CS:GO if they want eSports, and they can't do it if 60$ is the cheapest option (that somehow comes with free shit). Why does Blizzard feel the need to push Overwatch to be a huge esport? WoW is doing just fine for such an old game without being an esport at all. HoTS is somewhat of a success financially without nobody watching it. Nobody watches Destiny, CoD, Assassin's Creed like people religiously follow LoL/DOTA/CSGO but they're pretty successful financially. I guess you can make a case for Hearthstone but then again they're competing with the non-existent digital version of Magic so they win automatically. (honestly why the hell is all of the Magic digital platforms so shit?) Where has Blizzard pushed Overwatch as an esports? Players are trying to but I have yet to hear a word about it from Blizzard. They are not. They likely will let people know about some tournament they are going to run later when they talk about the game at Blizzcon and that is it. Like I said, I listed all the games that are making dough without being esport but I was replying to the person who said that Blizzard NEEDS to compete with CSGO.
Yes, that is dumb. People who measure for success in Twitch viewer and online discussion are silly. Its like believing that facebook or youtube are an accurate measurement of anything. There are plenty of games that are wildly successful that don't have a robust online footprint.
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