EPTCivilization: Beyond Earth - Page 19
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KillerSOS
United States4207 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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tadL
Croatia679 Posts
 people dont learn OMG | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On October 25 2014 02:04 tadL wrote: Wait for expansions!!!! Its a civ game...dont buy it at release you know its missing so much people dont learn OMGThe tech-web alone adds lots of variety to the game compared to Civ 5 IMHO | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On October 25 2014 02:10 SKC wrote: Just because you know it will get much better with expansions doesn't mean the base game can't be fun. This. Which is why I said it's probably still a good purchase now for people who are diehard fans of the series. If people want to wait until there are two expansions to play the game, that's great for them, but I'll enjoy what I can now and come back for more when those expansions are released like I did for Civ 5. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On October 25 2014 01:25 -Archangel- wrote: Average players like me don't really care about superhard AI. I am not a Civ pro, I just try to win the game on every kind of victory conditions on medium difficulty and never play Civ until next version comes up. And as a average player I prefer to fight as little as possible until late game :D For hardcore players there is always MP. I'm no pro either, I can't even win beyond king (or whatever, I don't remember). I just don't like overlooked area. On October 25 2014 02:10 SKC wrote: Just because you know it will get much better with expansions doesn't mean the base game can't be fun. Eh, that's true. But you also know it is lacking comparatively to what a fully-fledged out game is (Civ V + DLC). No reason to buy it now when Civ V is still pretty damn good. The stand-alone Civ V was awful to be frank and I'm not just talking multiplayer! On October 25 2014 01:26 Sub40APM wrote: The movement ai is BNW-issue but they also added a higher level of difficulty to the map itself. There are far more ravines/mountains than there are in maps generated on BNW, so you take that, layer in the miasma and they essentially turned 50% of the map into a one tile pass, mountainous, guarded by a fortress ai path, but they never bothered to teach the ai that some moves are just better not to be done at all. Very upsetting. Actually though, to be fair to the game upon further reflection I will give it one thing: late game ai seems more competent than in BNW. Mostly because it gets units -- hover tanks -- that ignore the whole point of terrain. And I have seen the ai pursue thematic victories. So there is that, but if you are used to BNW where on immortal-diety the first lets say 150-200 turns are the most important because you either snowball or some ai does then its definitely a let down. And thre trade routes are OP As fuck. You dont have to be Polystralia to build up a ridiculously massive empire with internal trade routes AND you suffer no real pain up until -22 or something like that , and even then you only suffer in terms of the ease with which foreign spies fuck your shit up. And of course as a civ fan, although my game downloaded at 9 pm and I figured "oh ill just dip my toes in till 11" the next thing I know its 2:30 am and I honestly could have played on... I never played many games into the late-game, even in Civ V BNW, so I'm really excited to see Beyond Earth actually make the late-game all the more worthwhile! In fact, I think the whole tech revision is incredibly better and more appealing as I found the Tech in Civ V to be absolute chore. Are the victory scenarios vastly different from BNW? I read a bit into it and it looks like Science victory is not a straight arrow shoot. Thank God, but I felt the others were a bit lacking too (Culture is challenging but a bit meh, Diplomatic was next to impossible, etc.) edit: I'm thinking in terms of multiplayer, I'm the odd man out | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On October 25 2014 02:28 ZasZ. wrote: This. Which is why I said it's probably still a good purchase now for people who are diehard fans of the series. If people want to wait until there are two expansions to play the game, that's great for them, but I'll enjoy what I can now and come back for more when those expansions are released like I did for Civ 5. Same here. Although it might come expansions that makes the game better (Like BNW was to Civ 5), the base game can still be good. I'm in a similar spot with EU4, even though the upcoming expansion will be huge, EU4 is already a pretty good game in it's current state | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
Maybe 40 IF they manage to fix the AI, which they are probably incapable of considering they had a few years with CIV5 and then even with that experience in the same engine made the AI worse with BE by making it passive, random and incapable of dealing with the new terrain. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
- Alien Behaviour is hard to judge, sometimes they aggro sometimes they don't - Aliens are like a ton more stronger then Barbarians and they are a ton more in number too, investing into earlier militairy units might be smarter - I love the explorer function, think it is pretty cool. - game is complicated and has a fuckton of choices so far although I am sure that people will find out cookie-cutter builds soon enough. I like the paths of Harmoney/Purity etc, adds a nice touch to the game. It looks like you will have to get the right choices depending on what kind of resources are available. Looks like rushing an affinity might be a good start for cookie cutting something. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On October 25 2014 02:48 WindWolf wrote: Same here. Although it might come expansions that makes the game better (Like BNW was to Civ 5), the base game can still be good. I'm in a similar spot with EU4, even though the upcoming expansion will be huge, EU4 is already a pretty good game in it's current state EU4 is slightly different. Even though big DLCs make it a much better game after a few years, the base games also improve a lot more than they do in Civ. So you had a lot more reasons to switch from Divine Wind to EU4, and launch EU3 vs launch EU4 are completelly diferent beasts. I understand why people wouldn't feel it's worth it to dump Civ 5 right now, it is a more polished game. But for people that spent hundreds or thousands of hours in it, the freshness of the new title is a much stronger incentive than it is for someone that hasn't done as much in Civ 5. So it can be a worth it's price even if the older game may be considered better. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13931 Posts
On October 25 2014 03:16 Kipsate wrote: Loving it so far, things I have noticed - Alien Behaviour is hard to judge, sometimes they aggro sometimes they don't - Aliens are like a ton more stronger then Barbarians and they are a ton more in number too, investing into earlier militairy units might be smarter - I love the explorer function, think it is pretty cool. - game is complicated and has a fuckton of choices so far although I am sure that people will find out cookie-cutter builds soon enough. I like the paths of Harmoney/Purity etc, adds a nice touch to the game. It looks like you will have to get the right choices depending on what kind of resources are available. Looks like rushing an affinity might be a good start for cookie cutting something. Basically this is my feelings as well other then the weak ai. The affinity troops and the way that units upgrade is pretty nice but the affinity troops are pretty op. Cities are a hard nut to crack and require a lot of bombardment before taking down. Its certainly not a bad game and I'm pretty well enjoying it. People are just hipster hating new things. | ||
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screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
On October 25 2014 03:53 Sermokala wrote: People are just hipster hating new things. I don't know about that man, seems like a lot of valid concerns about the game. Then again, I was consistently winning on Deity (although I never got the Domination Victory on it). There does however, seem to be a lot of people who get mad about "haters" even when they eloquently voice criticisms, unlike the blind fanboyism/consumerism (who don't even bother to say why they like the game or address the concerns). On October 25 2014 01:59 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Aaaannnddd I've bought it. God damn. lol what's your impressions? (Also cheers @rezoacken for the feedback) | ||
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Narw
Poland884 Posts
The miasma thing and AI is just unacceptable and should've been fixed after first beta tester pointed it to them. AI in general feels like it's there but not really, way too passive i would say. Trade convoys (routes?) feel like a OP mess, the clicking is just annoying and there should be a way to automate it. Affinity is nice, very nice. UI feels rushed, not polished, messy. Graphic is uhm, well, strange. You can't disable DoF thru menu in game, need to do it thru config, i dont really see a way to set borderless windowed mode, but maybe its there and i just cant find it. Quest's are nice, very nice and that's great couse i was afraid they won't exactly fit this type of game. Feels like a step backwards compared to Civ5 BNW and Alpha Centauri, and when compared to polish i've found in Endless Legend(i didn't played that on relase, so i compare it to current state of the game) this just feels wrong. I'm sure DLC's will fix few of those problems and add a lot of new features, but sadly they aren't there and game is priced 50 euros so i feel a bit cheated on by dev's. Not Rome 2 relase level cheated but this is not what i was expecting. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
On October 25 2014 04:47 Torte de Lini wrote: You can download the demo if unsure. Thanks! With my crappy internet I'll get to try it tomorrow probably. :D | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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