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Nisyax
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Netherlands756 Posts
February 22 2015 19:59 GMT
#8521
Saw a 6.1 sim thing (whatever you wanna call it) for all specs and holy priests are 3-4k below shadow with void entropy..
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
February 22 2015 21:50 GMT
#8522
dont miss spending hours looking for groups and have been playing since bc

shit wasnt fun
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
February 22 2015 22:40 GMT
#8523
On February 23 2015 04:59 Nisyax wrote:
Saw a 6.1 sim thing (whatever you wanna call it) for all specs and holy priests are 3-4k below shadow with void entropy..


CoP is still decent dmg wise though, not sure why you would look at just one (bad) talent
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
February 23 2015 00:29 GMT
#8524
Demo :\

Looks like I'm rerolling fire mage. The one class with a snapshot mechanic here I come :D
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
February 23 2015 00:39 GMT
#8525
On February 23 2015 07:40 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2015 04:59 Nisyax wrote:
Saw a 6.1 sim thing (whatever you wanna call it) for all specs and holy priests are 3-4k below shadow with void entropy..


CoP is still decent dmg wise though, not sure why you would look at just one (bad) talent

Cop is still disastrously low on dps though, spriest enhance and lock st needs a buff post 6.1
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-23 00:43:55
February 23 2015 00:42 GMT
#8526
I think Ferals also have some snapshot mechanic.

Fire is crazy fucking fun but until you have 4set, your single target dps doesn't exist and you kinda need an arcane offspec for about two thirds of the fights in hm/brf.

Agree on locks/spriest, not sure about enhancement/demo since their aoe is so strong.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
February 23 2015 00:47 GMT
#8527
Spriests are actually a joke right now if you look at parses. With no changes to any of the talents and the way the fights in BRF work there's just nothing that we do that another class (or 5) doesn't do better. Mediocre single target unless you're moving then it's below average, horrible/non-existent cleave/aoe. I really want to switch to my ele shaman or mage permantently.
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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-23 00:59:16
February 23 2015 00:57 GMT
#8528
Demos aoe is either great* or shit depending on whether you take demonbolt currently, it's already bouncing between good single target and good aoe not both, the presumed next change to demo (another mastery buff) will just make its aoe even more potent.

*It's not really sustained aoe like say living bomb/fire nova, its more every minute you can throw out 500k dps for 2 seconds if theres a pack of adds. Which to be fair is sort of irrelevant when the adds that are involved in fights atm are stupidly squishy.

On February 23 2015 09:47 las91 wrote:
Spriests are actually a joke right now if you look at parses. With no changes to any of the talents and the way the fights in BRF work there's just nothing that we do that another class (or 5) doesn't do better. Mediocre single target unless you're moving then it's below average, horrible/non-existent cleave/aoe. I really want to switch to my ele shaman or mage permantently.


Yeh they're not great, the only use they really have is on demand okish single target burst if they pool shadow orbs for a switch. So primal elementalists come to mind.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
February 23 2015 03:57 GMT
#8529
SBH Affliction is incredibly frustrating simply because of how random shard generation is. Charred Remains Destro is actually a lot of fun, but I have no idea how competitive it is, especially with movement heavy fights (Archimonde's is just too good for Charred Remains because you need it + Glyph of Dark Soul to take advantage of your shitload of Chaos Bolts). I've been practicing demo just because of their cleave DPS and I really fucking hate it. I can play it now, but it just doesn't appeal to me. If Charred Remains ends up good enough on cleave fights, I'll be glad to go back to Aff/Destro.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
February 23 2015 04:24 GMT
#8530
Gosac charred remains will probably be the best warlock spec.
Nisyax
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Netherlands756 Posts
February 23 2015 06:35 GMT
#8531
On February 23 2015 07:40 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2015 04:59 Nisyax wrote:
Saw a 6.1 sim thing (whatever you wanna call it) for all specs and holy priests are 3-4k below shadow with void entropy..


CoP is still decent dmg wise though, not sure why you would look at just one (bad) talent


I know CoP (and AS) will be ok. Just found it funny how bad VE (still) is after the 80% buff to it.
ViperPL
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland1775 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-23 07:06:28
February 23 2015 07:05 GMT
#8532
Oh man, combat is such a stupid spec. My ilvl for combat is 666 (however not all the pieces have good secondary stats, and I have no set bonuses, but I got 685+680 weapons), which is on average 12-14 lower than other dpsers in my guild, yet on Iron Maiden hc I'm easily 2nd on dps with 70% of my dmg being passive (auto attack + instant poison + blade flurry). I guess I should be happy that only 4 fights in BRF really require combat due to aoe.
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-23 08:49:20
February 23 2015 08:47 GMT
#8533
Warlock's mechanics can really help them shine on fights in ways that aren't shown by single target sims - stuff like havoc, dark soul glyph+ad make a world of difference and can make them crazy good; see Destro on Imperator.

Unfortunately it's so fight dependant that you end up having to play 3 specs to perform optimally which is just silly even for a pure dps class.

On February 23 2015 15:35 Nisyax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2015 07:40 Teoita wrote:
On February 23 2015 04:59 Nisyax wrote:
Saw a 6.1 sim thing (whatever you wanna call it) for all specs and holy priests are 3-4k below shadow with void entropy..


CoP is still decent dmg wise though, not sure why you would look at just one (bad) talent


I know CoP (and AS) will be ok. Just found it funny how bad VE (still) is after the 80% buff to it.


Eh yeah true that, they really have screwed up with a lot of talents. Is VE decent at all in any other situation, like say pvp?
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
February 23 2015 09:31 GMT
#8534
On February 23 2015 17:47 Teoita wrote:
Warlock's mechanics can really help them shine on fights in ways that aren't shown by single target sims - stuff like havoc, dark soul glyph+ad make a world of difference and can make them crazy good; see Destro on Imperator.

Unfortunately it's so fight dependant that you end up having to play 3 specs to perform optimally which is just silly even for a pure dps class.

Show nested quote +
On February 23 2015 15:35 Nisyax wrote:
On February 23 2015 07:40 Teoita wrote:
On February 23 2015 04:59 Nisyax wrote:
Saw a 6.1 sim thing (whatever you wanna call it) for all specs and holy priests are 3-4k below shadow with void entropy..


CoP is still decent dmg wise though, not sure why you would look at just one (bad) talent


I know CoP (and AS) will be ok. Just found it funny how bad VE (still) is after the 80% buff to it.


Eh yeah true that, they really have screwed up with a lot of talents. Is VE decent at all in any other situation, like say pvp?

From what people tell me priests are still in a really bad place PVP wise with Disc being the worst spec out of every class and shadow barely able to hold its own due to its inability to heal compared to other hybrids (Using flash heal actually causes a net loss of HP these days)
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
February 23 2015 09:36 GMT
#8535
Lol i'm so glad i don't PvP, it has to be such a balance nightmare
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-23 09:37:43
February 23 2015 09:37 GMT
#8536
On February 23 2015 18:36 Teoita wrote:
Lol i'm so glad i don't PvP, it has to be such a balance nightmare

I really don't understand why they don't have a separate ability pool for PVP to PVE be much easier to balance and it wouldn't fuck over the other
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 23 2015 09:41 GMT
#8537
On February 23 2015 18:37 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2015 18:36 Teoita wrote:
Lol i'm so glad i don't PvP, it has to be such a balance nightmare

I really don't understand why they don't have a separate ability pool for PVP to PVE be much easier to balance and it wouldn't fuck over the other

Yeah i think the next expansion they might finally push this.
This expansion they finally gave a "clearer" design plan to PvP gear vs PvE gear so hopefully next expansion we just get a straight up when you're in Arena/BG/World PvP zone, x y or z happens to your abilities and spells etc
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
February 23 2015 09:41 GMT
#8538
My guess is they realize they can never really balance PvP because there's just too many different formats available, so they will never really get it right. Might as well just fix the obvious imbalances at the cost of screwing up a class or two once in a while.

PvE at least is decently balanced.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Duvon
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden2360 Posts
February 23 2015 11:02 GMT
#8539
On February 23 2015 17:47 Teoita wrote:Unfortunately it's so fight dependant that you end up having to play 3 specs to perform optimally which is just silly even for a pure dps class.

Isn't this good? Some sort of balance between all the specs?
Nothing is impossible, only some things for some people.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-23 11:11:36
February 23 2015 11:11 GMT
#8540
To a certain extent yes, and mages for example do this perfectly; you can go frost and be super versatile while really not having any true "strength", fire for aoe, or arcane for single target. The last two also more or less want the same gear so that's a plus.

Warlocks at the highest level during HM needed to literally respec during raids to play optimally, which imo is going too far. Swapping between 2 specs is fine (and every pure dps more or less does it), between 3 is too much.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
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