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Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
November 25 2014 22:36 GMT
#5441
Nerfed already. That area was being heavily botted.
I HAVE 5 TOAST POINTS
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
November 25 2014 23:25 GMT
#5442
On November 26 2014 06:17 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 06:14 Noocta wrote:
On November 26 2014 05:49 Requizen wrote:
What are the Hunter specs like? I've been sticking with BM since I liked it at the end of Mists and also like using my exotic pets, but what are MM and Surv like now? Fun/decent?


Surv is good damage but no burst or killing power, also very slow to get started on targets in pve.

MM is the spec to play. Top chart pve damage, interesting rotation, good burst and aoe, really good pvp spec, etc

I think if you're not going MM these days you're either a spec specialist or doing it wrong.

Are people actually using Lone Wolf at 100? I like my pets but the idea of being a solitary ranger type is kinda cool too.


In PvE they do, in pvp not worth losing master call and roar of sacrifice
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-25 23:29:25
November 25 2014 23:29 GMT
#5443
So, as my hunter is getting nearer lvl 100 and nearer the honor cap, how would you prioritize the first few items buys? Keeping in mind I have no pvp trinket at the moment, I was thinking either

1) PvP trinket > PvP 'off'trinket (basically 1750 honor for 10% less dmg taken) > Bow > whatever I lack from strongboxes
2) PvP trinket > Bow > PvP 'off'trinket > whatever I lack from strongboxes
3) Bow > PvP trinket > PvP 'off'trinket > whatever I lack from strongboxes

Thoughts?
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
November 25 2014 23:35 GMT
#5444
Jesus christ those nerfs to ring of fire make destro absolute trash vs everything not patchwerk, along with every other warlock spec
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
November 25 2014 23:41 GMT
#5445
On November 26 2014 08:35 bo1b wrote:
Jesus christ those nerfs to ring of fire make destro absolute trash vs everything not patchwerk, along with every other warlock spec

The problem is that they utterly broke RoF with the new scaling. It's not supposed to be good on single targets, but currently it is.

Thank god.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
November 25 2014 23:52 GMT
#5446
On November 26 2014 08:41 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 08:35 bo1b wrote:
Jesus christ those nerfs to ring of fire make destro absolute trash vs everything not patchwerk, along with every other warlock spec

The problem is that they utterly broke RoF with the new scaling. It's not supposed to be good on single targets, but currently it is.

Thank god.

Theres more to ring of fire then single target dps.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34502 Posts
November 26 2014 00:02 GMT
#5447
On November 26 2014 08:29 Mikau wrote:
So, as my hunter is getting nearer lvl 100 and nearer the honor cap, how would you prioritize the first few items buys? Keeping in mind I have no pvp trinket at the moment, I was thinking either

1) PvP trinket > PvP 'off'trinket (basically 1750 honor for 10% less dmg taken) > Bow > whatever I lack from strongboxes
2) PvP trinket > Bow > PvP 'off'trinket > whatever I lack from strongboxes
3) Bow > PvP trinket > PvP 'off'trinket > whatever I lack from strongboxes

Thoughts?

I believe weapon always gives you the biggest dps increase, which is probably the one I'd want over a boring 10% less damage taken.
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oxxo
Profile Joined February 2010
988 Posts
November 26 2014 00:35 GMT
#5448
On November 26 2014 06:02 Serejai wrote:
Wow... I saw all those PvP changes and thought things were going in the right direction for once.

But then...

No Ret or Feral nerfs.


Feral healing took a significant hit.

"Predatory Swiftness no longer increases the healing done by Healing Touch."
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
November 26 2014 00:49 GMT
#5449
On November 26 2014 08:52 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 08:41 deth2munkies wrote:
On November 26 2014 08:35 bo1b wrote:
Jesus christ those nerfs to ring of fire make destro absolute trash vs everything not patchwerk, along with every other warlock spec

The problem is that they utterly broke RoF with the new scaling. It's not supposed to be good on single targets, but currently it is.

Thank god.

Theres more to ring of fire then single target dps.


It makes AoE worse unless you go Charred Remains, which is supposed to be the AoE talent.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-26 00:55:20
November 26 2014 00:54 GMT
#5450
On November 26 2014 09:49 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 08:52 bo1b wrote:
On November 26 2014 08:41 deth2munkies wrote:
On November 26 2014 08:35 bo1b wrote:
Jesus christ those nerfs to ring of fire make destro absolute trash vs everything not patchwerk, along with every other warlock spec

The problem is that they utterly broke RoF with the new scaling. It's not supposed to be good on single targets, but currently it is.

Thank god.

Theres more to ring of fire then single target dps.


It makes AoE worse unless you go Charred Remains, which is supposed to be the AoE talent.

Worse is a strong word for completely useless unless there is 8+ targets getting hit by fire n brimstone. As it stands rain of fire may as well be removed from action bars.

I don't know if you understand the way embers work either, as rof was like 40% of embers generated, meaning charred remains is also the single target talent.

One of the reasons it was buffed up btw was so there was some kind of damage being dealt while moving. Right now a resto druid could spam moonfire and do more dps on the move then a destro lock
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
November 26 2014 01:25 GMT
#5451
On November 26 2014 09:54 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 09:49 deth2munkies wrote:
On November 26 2014 08:52 bo1b wrote:
On November 26 2014 08:41 deth2munkies wrote:
On November 26 2014 08:35 bo1b wrote:
Jesus christ those nerfs to ring of fire make destro absolute trash vs everything not patchwerk, along with every other warlock spec

The problem is that they utterly broke RoF with the new scaling. It's not supposed to be good on single targets, but currently it is.

Thank god.

Theres more to ring of fire then single target dps.


It makes AoE worse unless you go Charred Remains, which is supposed to be the AoE talent.

Worse is a strong word for completely useless unless there is 8+ targets getting hit by fire n brimstone. As it stands rain of fire may as well be removed from action bars.

I don't know if you understand the way embers work either, as rof was like 40% of embers generated, meaning charred remains is also the single target talent.

One of the reasons it was buffed up btw was so there was some kind of damage being dealt while moving. Right now a resto druid could spam moonfire and do more dps on the move then a destro lock


There really isn't much movement that can't be completed in 2 globals, even if there is, KJC is now a viable option for those fights, instead of just MF for every single fight.

RoF is still fine for AoE packs since it's 1 GCD for a small amount of damage on top of everything else you're doing. All this nerf really does is make MF useless again and Charred Remains viable.
Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
November 26 2014 01:38 GMT
#5452
That rain of fire change, ow.
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-26 01:54:46
November 26 2014 01:54 GMT
#5453
On November 26 2014 10:25 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 09:54 bo1b wrote:
On November 26 2014 09:49 deth2munkies wrote:
On November 26 2014 08:52 bo1b wrote:
On November 26 2014 08:41 deth2munkies wrote:
On November 26 2014 08:35 bo1b wrote:
Jesus christ those nerfs to ring of fire make destro absolute trash vs everything not patchwerk, along with every other warlock spec

The problem is that they utterly broke RoF with the new scaling. It's not supposed to be good on single targets, but currently it is.

Thank god.

Theres more to ring of fire then single target dps.


It makes AoE worse unless you go Charred Remains, which is supposed to be the AoE talent.

Worse is a strong word for completely useless unless there is 8+ targets getting hit by fire n brimstone. As it stands rain of fire may as well be removed from action bars.

I don't know if you understand the way embers work either, as rof was like 40% of embers generated, meaning charred remains is also the single target talent.

One of the reasons it was buffed up btw was so there was some kind of damage being dealt while moving. Right now a resto druid could spam moonfire and do more dps on the move then a destro lock


There really isn't much movement that can't be completed in 2 globals, even if there is, KJC is now a viable option for those fights, instead of just MF for every single fight.

RoF is still fine for AoE packs since it's 1 GCD for a small amount of damage on top of everything else you're doing. All this nerf really does is make MF useless again and Charred Remains viable.

I'm at 632 ilvl, and my rof is ticking for 500 or so, it'd be more damage to single target everything lol. Idk how much raid testing you did if you think two globals is enough for the movement present in highmaul and particularly blackrock, but I'm assuming not much.

KJC is a pretty noticeable dps loss.

I don't think you've played much destro at all, if any in this expansion if you really think the removal of embers from rof isn't an enormous nerf.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
November 26 2014 02:03 GMT
#5454
On November 26 2014 10:54 bo1b wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2014 10:25 deth2munkies wrote:
On November 26 2014 09:54 bo1b wrote:
On November 26 2014 09:49 deth2munkies wrote:
On November 26 2014 08:52 bo1b wrote:
On November 26 2014 08:41 deth2munkies wrote:
On November 26 2014 08:35 bo1b wrote:
Jesus christ those nerfs to ring of fire make destro absolute trash vs everything not patchwerk, along with every other warlock spec

The problem is that they utterly broke RoF with the new scaling. It's not supposed to be good on single targets, but currently it is.

Thank god.

Theres more to ring of fire then single target dps.


It makes AoE worse unless you go Charred Remains, which is supposed to be the AoE talent.

Worse is a strong word for completely useless unless there is 8+ targets getting hit by fire n brimstone. As it stands rain of fire may as well be removed from action bars.

I don't know if you understand the way embers work either, as rof was like 40% of embers generated, meaning charred remains is also the single target talent.

One of the reasons it was buffed up btw was so there was some kind of damage being dealt while moving. Right now a resto druid could spam moonfire and do more dps on the move then a destro lock


There really isn't much movement that can't be completed in 2 globals, even if there is, KJC is now a viable option for those fights, instead of just MF for every single fight.

RoF is still fine for AoE packs since it's 1 GCD for a small amount of damage on top of everything else you're doing. All this nerf really does is make MF useless again and Charred Remains viable.

I'm at 632 ilvl, and my rof is ticking for 500 or so, it'd be more damage to single target everything lol. Idk how much raid testing you did if you think two globals is enough for the movement present in highmaul and particularly blackrock, but I'm assuming not much.

KJC is a pretty noticeable dps loss.

I don't think you've played much destro at all, if any in this expansion if you really think the removal of embers from rof isn't an enormous nerf.


I've been playing Charred Remains destro, so it really doesn't affect me. I swapped to Aff though because I really disliked keeping RoF up on single targets and having to use MF to get max dps, it just seemed fucking dumb. If I want to refresh DoTs, I'll play affliction.

I think Aff is in a pretty good spot right now, just 0 AoE presence because seed is fucking horrible.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-26 08:41:15
November 26 2014 08:40 GMT
#5455
Sounds like they brought Rain of Fire more or less in line with Blizzard, so now both those spells are completely shit. Good stuff. At least Blizzard is useful on 6+ mobs.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34502 Posts
November 26 2014 08:51 GMT
#5456
Teo so salty.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 26 2014 08:55 GMT
#5457
Blizzard is only useful for when your trying to refresh your frozen orb which is good ability added.

Buffs and Nerfs funny, now all the silly people who went into Gladiator spec as warrior thinking they are going to raid the first tier in it are sadly mistaken. Arms warrior with 630ilvl is the easiest dps class you have in the game and is ahead of glad tanks easily at least i am when i play vs the guy in guild.
Fury still more fun for me but i need a 2nd 2 hander before i go back there.

Like Teo said the fire "buff" is quite hilarious really, it's like they have buffed it because they know at the end of this tier it will be a huge buff. However right now it still doesn't make you want to switch to fire, oh well.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
November 26 2014 08:58 GMT
#5458
On November 26 2014 17:55 Pandemona wrote:
Blizzard is only useful for when your trying to refresh your frozen orb which is good ability added.

Buffs and Nerfs funny, now all the silly people who went into Gladiator spec as warrior thinking they are going to raid the first tier in it are sadly mistaken. Arms warrior with 630ilvl is the easiest dps class you have in the game and is ahead of glad tanks easily at least i am when i play vs the guy in guild.
Fury still more fun for me but i need a 2nd 2 hander before i go back there.

Like Teo said the fire "buff" is quite hilarious really, it's like they have buffed it because they know at the end of this tier it will be a huge buff. However right now it still doesn't make you want to switch to fire, oh well.

Dont think TG will be good till 2nd or 3rd raid tier though, SMF will probably be better till you get more gear to make TG hit a metric fuckton harder
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 26 2014 09:11 GMT
#5459
Yeah but Fury stat weights make it still fine. Crit Mastery for both specs in Arms and Fury.

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As you can see gearing for both isn't as hard as it seems. Just multistrike is ahead of mastery by a bit on Arms. I will be going Fury as soon as i get a 2nd two hander and i feel i will be more than average on dps.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-26 09:19:31
November 26 2014 09:19 GMT
#5460
I actually have all of my gear for crit mastery, so i could go fury if i got the 2hs
thats neat
well most of it
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