On February 06 2020 04:37 Wrath wrote: Rewatching this:
Man, kind of ironic and stupid how the cycle keep repeating itself, you can literally change the subject from Aliens: Colonial Marines to Reforged and you would nail it.
The case where games didn’t launch as advertised is frequently made, even aside from that there is almost no point in pre-ordering digital content whatsoever.
I don’t get why it’s so prevalent. When I was younger and the latest CoD game came out or whatever me pre-ordering was a way to get my hands on the disc when stores actually did sell out of copies.
It’s not as if you bypass the queue for downloading on launch day either, so if the servers are struggling you’re in the same boat as those who purchased on release day.
Weird really, to me anyway, who is quite weird himself admittedly.
in some games you get some bonus for preordering be it some skin or ingame currency for multiplayer for example RDR2 did this : / SC:R you got the skins for preordering etc i almost never preordered, i did preorder sc:r and tbh maybe i shouldn't have cause i wasn't really happy with it (mostly issues with interfaces and ladder), uninstalled it now could have just dodged it altogether : /
Man, kind of ironic and stupid how the cycle keep repeating itself, you can literally change the subject from Aliens: Colonial Marines to Reforged and you would nail it.
The case where games didn’t launch as advertised is frequently made, even aside from that there is almost no point in pre-ordering digital content whatsoever.
I don’t get why it’s so prevalent. When I was younger and the latest CoD game came out or whatever me pre-ordering was a way to get my hands on the disc when stores actually did sell out of copies.
It’s not as if you bypass the queue for downloading on launch day either, so if the servers are struggling you’re in the same boat as those who purchased on release day.
Weird really, to me anyway, who is quite weird himself admittedly.
I have pre-ordered twice, both times because it was because I ordered stuff in a niche market from very trusted developers whom I knew were going to deliver, and who could use the extra support. Otherwise yea it's a big nono.
Man, kind of ironic and stupid how the cycle keep repeating itself, you can literally change the subject from Aliens: Colonial Marines to Reforged and you would nail it.
The case where games didn’t launch as advertised is frequently made, even aside from that there is almost no point in pre-ordering digital content whatsoever.
I don’t get why it’s so prevalent. When I was younger and the latest CoD game came out or whatever me pre-ordering was a way to get my hands on the disc when stores actually did sell out of copies.
It’s not as if you bypass the queue for downloading on launch day either, so if the servers are struggling you’re in the same boat as those who purchased on release day.
Weird really, to me anyway, who is quite weird himself admittedly.
I have pre-ordered twice, both times because it was because I ordered stuff in a niche market from very trusted developers whom I knew were going to deliver, and who could use the extra support. Otherwise yea it's a big nono.
Yeah it does drive support and helps smaller projects gain a bit of traction, hell I imagine it can help get some over the finish line with that bit of funding.
In this case it’s almost the opposite, where things were scaled back and back.
I wonder if it’s a case of the pre-orders not being up to whatever standard ActiBlizz think is good enough, or they thought they’d got their money and could scale back and put out the bare minimum, not expecting quite this backlash.
The industry must have rather brutal non-disclosure agreements because we almost never hear stuff from disgruntled employees or former employees in almost any of these debacles and there must be a ton of them.
On February 06 2020 04:56 TheDwf wrote: In RT their matchmaking system needs to be improved. In some of the games that I played, it was clear that the 2 best players were together against the 2 weakest (with quite the skill gap between the teams thus formed), which makes no sense. Such things did not happen with the old system.
By the way Dreamhack Anaheim is in only 2 weeks from now. Better start crossing fingers that nothing too bad happens there, I don't see Blizzard having a stable version ready by then... Can you imagine the color bug suddenly triggering in the middle of a tense fight in a mirror?
It this the biggest tournament and prizepool for WC3 for years right? I didn't really follow the scene since I was always a Starcraft kinda guy?
On February 06 2020 02:56 GTR wrote:
blizzard has pretty much become a walking meme at this point.
Just making sure I get this: He is telling you that you still own it, but can't play it until you buy and install WC3 Refunded?
According to a site I saw reporting on that, the context for that was someone complained that TFT (the original, that they owned) no longer ran on their computer because it wasn't good enough (maybe HDD too small). So they tried to refund the original, which is a bit of a stretch, but you can see why they would be upset.
Eventually, they got that reply from "GM Jestefrell", telling them that sure the game they already bought that used to work is now broken because Blizz force-patched it to be 30GB, but they can always wait until they buy a new computer!
On February 06 2020 04:56 TheDwf wrote: In RT their matchmaking system needs to be improved. In some of the games that I played, it was clear that the 2 best players were together against the 2 weakest (with quite the skill gap between the teams thus formed), which makes no sense. Such things did not happen with the old system.
By the way Dreamhack Anaheim is in only 2 weeks from now. Better start crossing fingers that nothing too bad happens there, I don't see Blizzard having a stable version ready by then... Can you imagine the color bug suddenly triggering in the middle of a tense fight in a mirror?
It this the biggest tournament and prizepool for WC3 for years right? I didn't really follow the scene since I was always a Starcraft kinda guy?
blizzard has pretty much become a walking meme at this point.
Just making sure I get this: He is telling you that you still own it, but can't play it until you buy and install WC3 Refunded?
no, it's not biggest tournament and prizepool for WC3 for years at all. In fact, the prizepool is kinda small. Chinese tournaments had 50 to 70k prizepools last year and some of them even in 2018. Many online tournaments with 5 to 10k prizepools too.
The scene was really alive and well in 2019. 2018 was also pretty good.
Warcraft 3 TFT was honestly all fine and dandy before Deforged.. In fact, the scene and balance was probably at their best state in years..
On February 06 2020 04:56 TheDwf wrote: In RT their matchmaking system needs to be improved. In some of the games that I played, it was clear that the 2 best players were together against the 2 weakest (with quite the skill gap between the teams thus formed), which makes no sense. Such things did not happen with the old system.
By the way Dreamhack Anaheim is in only 2 weeks from now. Better start crossing fingers that nothing too bad happens there, I don't see Blizzard having a stable version ready by then... Can you imagine the color bug suddenly triggering in the middle of a tense fight in a mirror?
It this the biggest tournament and prizepool for WC3 for years right? I didn't really follow the scene since I was always a Starcraft kinda guy?
It's not the biggest prizepool but I think it's the first tier1 tournament outside Asia for years.
On February 06 2020 04:56 TheDwf wrote: In RT their matchmaking system needs to be improved. In some of the games that I played, it was clear that the 2 best players were together against the 2 weakest (with quite the skill gap between the teams thus formed), which makes no sense. Such things did not happen with the old system.
By the way Dreamhack Anaheim is in only 2 weeks from now. Better start crossing fingers that nothing too bad happens there, I don't see Blizzard having a stable version ready by then... Can you imagine the color bug suddenly triggering in the middle of a tense fight in a mirror?
It this the biggest tournament and prizepool for WC3 for years right? I didn't really follow the scene since I was always a Starcraft kinda guy?
It's not the biggest prizepool but I think it's the first tier1 tournament outside Asia for years.
The scene was definitely doing well by itself in the West, although I do think Reforged being on the horizon probably helped things too. Maybe you get this Dreamhack and WC3 on ESL Tour regardless but I think it probably did play a factor. Although they also assumed that Reforged would be good too and inject more players and eyes onto the game. It’s hard fo gauge how much was 100% organic resurgence of WC3 and how much was in some way ‘ah cool a remaster of WC3, let’s dip my toes back in’ kind of stuff.
I know I dusted off me CDs and watched Grubby and B2W for many a happy hour just learning how the game was played competitively and altering my hotkeys to fit years of my SC2 setup’s muscle memory.
Speaking of hotkeys I read somewhere you can’t remap them natively in the game, surely they at least added that feature?
On February 06 2020 21:36 Turbovolver wrote: According to a site I saw reporting on that, the context for that was someone complained that TFT (the original, that they owned) no longer ran on their computer because it wasn't good enough (maybe HDD too small). So they tried to refund the original, which is a bit of a stretch, but you can see why they would be upset.
Eventually, they got that reply from "GM Jestefrell", telling them that sure the game they already bought that used to work is now broken because Blizz force-patched it to be 30GB, but they can always wait until they buy a new computer!
Ah okay, that clears some things up. And honestly, I don't think Blizz at fault here at all.
1. 30 GB nowadays is nothing 2. It just happens sometimes that a 17 year old game doesn't work on modern machines. Not the developers fault. 3. Wanting a refund for a 17 year old game is borderline outrageous
On February 06 2020 04:56 TheDwf wrote: In RT their matchmaking system needs to be improved. In some of the games that I played, it was clear that the 2 best players were together against the 2 weakest (with quite the skill gap between the teams thus formed), which makes no sense. Such things did not happen with the old system.
By the way Dreamhack Anaheim is in only 2 weeks from now. Better start crossing fingers that nothing too bad happens there, I don't see Blizzard having a stable version ready by then... Can you imagine the color bug suddenly triggering in the middle of a tense fight in a mirror?
It this the biggest tournament and prizepool for WC3 for years right? I didn't really follow the scene since I was always a Starcraft kinda guy?
On February 06 2020 02:56 GTR wrote:
blizzard has pretty much become a walking meme at this point.
Just making sure I get this: He is telling you that you still own it, but can't play it until you buy and install WC3 Refunded?
no, it's not biggest tournament and prizepool for WC3 for years at all. In fact, the prizepool is kinda small. Chinese tournaments had 50 to 70k prizepools last year and some of them even in 2018. Many online tournaments with 5 to 10k prizepools too.
The scene was really alive and well in 2019. 2018 was also pretty good.
Warcraft 3 TFT was honestly all fine and dandy before Deforged.. In fact, the scene and balance was probably at their best state in years..
I just checked LP and apparently the last big thing NOT in China was Blizzcon 2010, so I'd say this seems like quite an important step. Prizepool wise you are absolutely right. While 25k is nothing to scoff at, it is just a midfield Tier 1 event
On February 06 2020 21:08 Harris1st wrote: Just making sure I get this: He is telling you that you still own it, but can't play it until you buy and install WC3 Refunded?
No, customer is having bad experience with the game, something like bad frame rate or something. Blizzard support guy telling him you can keep the game (classic TFT) in his account and redownloaded when he gets a good PC that can handle it, a PC that can handle an 18 year old game...
On February 06 2020 21:36 Turbovolver wrote: According to a site I saw reporting on that, the context for that was someone complained that TFT (the original, that they owned) no longer ran on their computer because it wasn't good enough (maybe HDD too small). So they tried to refund the original, which is a bit of a stretch, but you can see why they would be upset.
Eventually, they got that reply from "GM Jestefrell", telling them that sure the game they already bought that used to work is now broken because Blizz force-patched it to be 30GB, but they can always wait until they buy a new computer!
Ah okay, that clears some things up. And honestly, I don't think Blizz at fault here at all.
1. 30 GB nowadays is nothing 2. It just happens sometimes that a 17 year old game doesn't work on modern machines. Not the developers fault. 3. Wanting a refund for a 17 year old game is borderline outrageous
1. 30gb for a 17 year old game is a lot 2. It shouldn't happen that a 17 year old game that used to work perfectly fine on a modern machine suddenly gets an update where it no longer works. 3. It's a bit of a stretch, but the reply is beyond ludicrous. "Don't worry that the game you used to play no longer works because we forced an update. You can just buy a new computer!" is insane.
You need to realise that a lot of people, especially in the poorer parts of the world (think Russia, Polan, Ukraine, etc. Not "I can't eat" poor, but comparatively poor regardless), have absolutely dogshit computers with no real way of just "buying a new one", and they've used to enjoy these old but gold games until this forced update, which brings absolutely nothing new to the game whatsoever except attempting to force people to switch to the new version, came along. Ruining a classic because of a remake is pure stupidity.
On February 06 2020 21:36 Turbovolver wrote: According to a site I saw reporting on that, the context for that was someone complained that TFT (the original, that they owned) no longer ran on their computer because it wasn't good enough (maybe HDD too small). So they tried to refund the original, which is a bit of a stretch, but you can see why they would be upset.
Eventually, they got that reply from "GM Jestefrell", telling them that sure the game they already bought that used to work is now broken because Blizz force-patched it to be 30GB, but they can always wait until they buy a new computer!
Ah okay, that clears some things up. And honestly, I don't think Blizz at fault here at all.
1. 30 GB nowadays is nothing 2. It just happens sometimes that a 17 year old game doesn't work on modern machines. Not the developers fault. 3. Wanting a refund for a 17 year old game is borderline outrageous
1. It’s something though. I managed to fill my hard drive the other day, space is rather limited with my setup as I use my PC for hosting and organising all my cloud files. 2. The 17 year old game still works, on old or new hardware. It was patched ages ago for things like widescreen support although you have to muck around with things. I was having a grand old time with it about 6 months ago. 3. 100% on this point.
All this could have been easily avoided by simply adding a bloody prompt to accept or decline a patch of WC3
I haven’t touched my PC much outside of last weekend to play Fortnite (and instal the fucker) with kiddo, and last night trying out Dawn of War 2.
Haven’t tried WC3 but just noticed last night the shortcut icon on my desktop has changed, so presumably it’s been patched in the background. I was only on the Bnet app to chat to an old clan mate who returned and was looking to catch up.
So as a non-Reforged user it appears what people were saying that you literally cannot have the Bnet app on and connected to the internet or your WC3 will be force patched. Which isn’t a huge deal for me personally unless it introduces bugs or performance problems but may be for others.
30 gigs in the background isn’t insignificant for those who live in countries with ISP data caps for example.
As said the simplest solution was just to have the user to opt-in to this process. Which besides the aforementioned issues also wiped people’s custom games. It would let people have the chance to back up those files etc before taking the plunge, plus I believe the files themselves will still work if you relocate them.
On February 06 2020 04:56 TheDwf wrote: In RT their matchmaking system needs to be improved. In some of the games that I played, it was clear that the 2 best players were together against the 2 weakest (with quite the skill gap between the teams thus formed), which makes no sense. Such things did not happen with the old system.
By the way Dreamhack Anaheim is in only 2 weeks from now. Better start crossing fingers that nothing too bad happens there, I don't see Blizzard having a stable version ready by then... Can you imagine the color bug suddenly triggering in the middle of a tense fight in a mirror?
It this the biggest tournament and prizepool for WC3 for years right? I didn't really follow the scene since I was always a Starcraft kinda guy?
On February 06 2020 02:56 GTR wrote:
blizzard has pretty much become a walking meme at this point.
Just making sure I get this: He is telling you that you still own it, but can't play it until you buy and install WC3 Refunded?
no, it's not biggest tournament and prizepool for WC3 for years at all. In fact, the prizepool is kinda small. Chinese tournaments had 50 to 70k prizepools last year and some of them even in 2018. Many online tournaments with 5 to 10k prizepools too.
The scene was really alive and well in 2019. 2018 was also pretty good.
Warcraft 3 TFT was honestly all fine and dandy before Deforged.. In fact, the scene and balance was probably at their best state in years..
I just checked LP and apparently the last big thing NOT in China was Blizzcon 2010, so I'd say this seems like quite an important step. Prizepool wise you are absolutely right. While 25k is nothing to scoff at, it is just a midfield Tier 1 event
if you're talking about LAN tournaments organized in the west, then yes - it is indeed the biggest one in many years.
On February 06 2020 21:36 Turbovolver wrote: According to a site I saw reporting on that, the context for that was someone complained that TFT (the original, that they owned) no longer ran on their computer because it wasn't good enough (maybe HDD too small). So they tried to refund the original, which is a bit of a stretch, but you can see why they would be upset.
Eventually, they got that reply from "GM Jestefrell", telling them that sure the game they already bought that used to work is now broken because Blizz force-patched it to be 30GB, but they can always wait until they buy a new computer!
Ah okay, that clears some things up. And honestly, I don't think Blizz at fault here at all.
1. 30 GB nowadays is nothing 2. It just happens sometimes that a 17 year old game doesn't work on modern machines. Not the developers fault. 3. Wanting a refund for a 17 year old game is borderline outrageous
Just to be clear: Blizzard did a shitty thing with Warcraft. Just saying that this particular instance really isn't a reason for a huge outcry IMO But sure, maybe icing on top of a huge shitcake on a ginormous shitmountain
On February 06 2020 21:36 Turbovolver wrote: According to a site I saw reporting on that, the context for that was someone complained that TFT (the original, that they owned) no longer ran on their computer because it wasn't good enough (maybe HDD too small). So they tried to refund the original, which is a bit of a stretch, but you can see why they would be upset.
Eventually, they got that reply from "GM Jestefrell", telling them that sure the game they already bought that used to work is now broken because Blizz force-patched it to be 30GB, but they can always wait until they buy a new computer!
Ah okay, that clears some things up. And honestly, I don't think Blizz at fault here at all.
1. 30 GB nowadays is nothing 2. It just happens sometimes that a 17 year old game doesn't work on modern machines. Not the developers fault. 3. Wanting a refund for a 17 year old game is borderline outrageous
I actually am pretty much in same position than this person. I bought wc3+tft 2-3 years ago and it has been running perfectly until now. I dont have enough disk space to run the new patch. I also mostly played it in offline against computer when my internet was down (im really bad at wc3). I dont think blizzard is gonna return my 20e so i haven't even asked for a refund but it still feels like a i got scammed here.
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