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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
February 05 2020 07:31 GMT
#4061
I'm so glad I didn't purchase the game, jesus, what a disgrace, what a fail from Blizzard T_T
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4227 Posts
February 05 2020 09:44 GMT
#4062
On February 05 2020 07:30 Dav1oN wrote:
Even Grubby gave up on new graphics :D

He also thinks that new audio that were added to the game sounds stupid (new peasents deathsound in particular)

And indeed if you make a comparison of old sounddesign with the newly added one, then you can tell there is a big difference for sure. Either you delete the old soundset, or you remain with new one, third choice is to make new ones to sound exactly like their classic counterpart stylistically speaking..

#Blizzardhasleftthegame

That's interesting.. any source of that?

so only b2w guys still shilling for Reforged now I guess?

That's actually kinda sad, but I understand why they have to do it..
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4227 Posts
February 05 2020 09:45 GMT
#4063
On February 05 2020 08:04 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2020 07:30 Dav1oN wrote:
Even Grubby gave up on new graphics :D

He also thinks that new audio that were added to the game sounds stupid (new peasents deathsound in particular)

And indeed if you make a comparison of old sounddesign with the newly added one, then you can tell there is a big difference for sure. Either you delete the old soundset, or you remain with new one, third choice is to make new ones to sound exactly like their classic counterpart stylistically speaking..

#Blizzardhasleftthegame

They need to give us the option to toggle off new death sounds (same for skins, by the way). I don't want them, I'm too used to the classic ones to count how many units died.

EXACTLY this..

why the fuck would they change the death sounds anyways?! I mean.. why, just why?

It's so confusing to me now.. I always listened to the death sounds in big battles to know which unit died too..
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Shuffleblade
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden1903 Posts
February 05 2020 11:11 GMT
#4064
On February 05 2020 18:45 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2020 08:04 TheDwf wrote:
On February 05 2020 07:30 Dav1oN wrote:
Even Grubby gave up on new graphics :D

He also thinks that new audio that were added to the game sounds stupid (new peasents deathsound in particular)

And indeed if you make a comparison of old sounddesign with the newly added one, then you can tell there is a big difference for sure. Either you delete the old soundset, or you remain with new one, third choice is to make new ones to sound exactly like their classic counterpart stylistically speaking..

#Blizzardhasleftthegame

They need to give us the option to toggle off new death sounds (same for skins, by the way). I don't want them, I'm too used to the classic ones to count how many units died.

EXACTLY this..

why the fuck would they change the death sounds anyways?! I mean.. why, just why?

It's so confusing to me now.. I always listened to the death sounds in big battles to know which unit died too..

This stinks of we need to update something to make it seem like we actually improved the game... But we cant change stuff too much because then the players will complain. How about we change the sounds enough for people to notice we changed them and appreciate how hard we seemed to work on Reforged while also not making any real change that would upset people.

There simply is 0 reason to change sounds if you are not intending on really change them anyway. I really can't find a good reasonable thought process that would lead to them doing this change like this
Maru, Bomber, TY, Dear, Classic, DeParture and Rogue!
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6996 Posts
February 05 2020 13:11 GMT
#4065
1. Thought about pre-ordering
2. Wasn't sure cause of recent Blizzard shitshows
3. Didn't do it
4. Profit

Very happy with my decision so far. Now I'm waiting for Warcraft 3: Reetoplay


But goddamn, imagine beeing ESL and just having commited to 3 years of Warcraft 3 leagues
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26081 Posts
February 05 2020 13:38 GMT
#4066
On February 05 2020 13:35 chuDr3t4 wrote:
WC3:R "chat" is like SC2:WoL Battle.net 0.2 ALL OVER AGAIN.


And it's so fucking sad.

Is anywhere like old Bnet now? I miss chatrooms and how it al used to work VOIP just seems to have replaced that in most games I’ve played the last while. While it is obviously a rather useful feature, it is nice to have the option of typing when you don’t have a mic/have roommates or family and can’t talk much etc.

Not purely because nostalgia it was just better. If they’d added features on top of what was there instead of replacing them, then we could call it Bnet 2.0.

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26081 Posts
February 05 2020 13:42 GMT
#4067
On February 05 2020 22:11 Harris1st wrote:
1. Thought about pre-ordering
2. Wasn't sure cause of recent Blizzard shitshows
3. Didn't do it
4. Profit

Very happy with my decision so far. Now I'm waiting for Warcraft 3: Reetoplay


But goddamn, imagine beeing ESL and just having commited to 3 years of Warcraft 3 leagues

Something tells me ESL weren’t kept entirely in the loop with what was coming with the launch.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
abuse
Profile Joined April 2011
Latvia1937 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-05 14:08:35
February 05 2020 14:08 GMT
#4068
lul, reports of people losing Warcraft3 classic (which they bought years ago) from their blizzard account after their WC3Deforged refund has been processed.
I don't believe you.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 05 2020 14:12 GMT
#4069
First 5 games today (or rather, attempts):

Game 1 — blocked at least 6-7 minutes in the loading screen, I ended up closing the game because it seems that this loading was never going to end.
Game 2 — joinbug
Game 3 — 350 ping, one leaver, ally sent his peasants to gold mine then did nothing
Game 4 — joinbug
Game 5 — 350 ping vs noobs

It went better afterwards but geez...

The joinbugs are still not fixed actually, you have to restart the game after them.

They also need to do something about those few high ping games or people will just leave them at start, 350-400 ping is not playable.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10093 Posts
February 05 2020 15:06 GMT
#4070
On February 05 2020 23:08 abuse wrote:
lul, reports of people losing Warcraft3 classic (which they bought years ago) from their blizzard account after their WC3Deforged refund has been processed.

fuck... i will try to log in later
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
February 05 2020 15:54 GMT
#4071
On February 05 2020 20:11 Shuffleblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2020 18:45 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
On February 05 2020 08:04 TheDwf wrote:
On February 05 2020 07:30 Dav1oN wrote:
Even Grubby gave up on new graphics :D

He also thinks that new audio that were added to the game sounds stupid (new peasents deathsound in particular)

And indeed if you make a comparison of old sounddesign with the newly added one, then you can tell there is a big difference for sure. Either you delete the old soundset, or you remain with new one, third choice is to make new ones to sound exactly like their classic counterpart stylistically speaking..

#Blizzardhasleftthegame

They need to give us the option to toggle off new death sounds (same for skins, by the way). I don't want them, I'm too used to the classic ones to count how many units died.

EXACTLY this..

why the fuck would they change the death sounds anyways?! I mean.. why, just why?

It's so confusing to me now.. I always listened to the death sounds in big battles to know which unit died too..

This stinks of we need to update something to make it seem like we actually improved the game... But we cant change stuff too much because then the players will complain. How about we change the sounds enough for people to notice we changed them and appreciate how hard we seemed to work on Reforged while also not making any real change that would upset people.

There simply is 0 reason to change sounds if you are not intending on really change them anyway. I really can't find a good reasonable thought process that would lead to them doing this change like this


I thought exactly the same, it feels like imitation of working process. Nothing else. When nothing goes right you need to show some progress to people who waiting this product. That's why we going to add only SOME new sounds.

Guys, work in progress, guys?
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-05 17:51:01
February 05 2020 17:44 GMT
#4072
On February 05 2020 18:44 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2020 07:30 Dav1oN wrote:
Even Grubby gave up on new graphics :D

He also thinks that new audio that were added to the game sounds stupid (new peasents deathsound in particular)

And indeed if you make a comparison of old sounddesign with the newly added one, then you can tell there is a big difference for sure. Either you delete the old soundset, or you remain with new one, third choice is to make new ones to sound exactly like their classic counterpart stylistically speaking..

#Blizzardhasleftthegame

That's interesting.. any source of that?

so only b2w guys still shilling for Reforged now I guess?

That's actually kinda sad, but I understand why they have to do it..


B2W rebuilt the Western scene on passion and enthusiasm, so they have a great deal of good will to use up for me, but they are actively using it up right now. But I'm not going to pretend I am anything less than a huge fan, even still. If anything, it is why I have been critical of them. They built something so great, and Blizzard isn't respecting it.

Remember Incontrol, Artosis, Day9 and others trying to pretend SC2 was fine? Brood lord infestors just needed to be countered? No major problems, nothing to see here? They were so terrified of getting on Blizzard's bad side that they let the game rot. All of the personalities I am describing have admitted what went wrong and how the game declined.

SC2 developers eventually made the changes everyone knew needed to happen but the casters were too afraid to advocate for. Years later, after all the hype had subsided. They let Blizzard off easy and Blizzard didn't return the favor. People need to understand that the old Blizzard is dead. Old Blizzard would have hesitated to even call this beta. WC3 TFT BETA had ladder. WC3 TFT BETA had ladder. WC3 TFT BETA had ladder. WC3 TFT BETA had ladder. WC3 TFT BETA had ladder. WC3 TFT BETA had ladder. WC3 TFT BETA had ladder. B2W basically created this entire community from scratch, but now they have their sights set on something they never would have dreamed of and it is clouding their judgment.

In truth, Khaldor and others trying to squeeze their way back into the WC3 scene now that it is profitable really does mean B2W has to play it safe in some ways. Khaldor being given a casting contract over B2W would be bad for everyone. I'd be amazingly bummed if B2W ended up blacklisted because they stopped holding their tongue. They are far and away my favorite casting duo, the only ones to surpass Tastosis for me.

But they could also just stop using reforged graphics. They don't need to remove their filter and rail on Blizzard. But at least stop using reforged graphics. Props to Grubby for making this change!
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
11932 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-05 17:54:07
February 05 2020 17:52 GMT
#4073
On February 05 2020 22:38 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2020 13:35 chuDr3t4 wrote:
WC3:R "chat" is like SC2:WoL Battle.net 0.2 ALL OVER AGAIN.


And it's so fucking sad.

Is anywhere like old Bnet now? I miss chatrooms and how it al used to work VOIP just seems to have replaced that in most games I’ve played the last while. While it is obviously a rather useful feature, it is nice to have the option of typing when you don’t have a mic/have roommates or family and can’t talk much etc.

Not purely because nostalgia it was just better. If they’d added features on top of what was there instead of replacing them, then we could call it Bnet 2.0.



Dota 2 is somewhat close. If they would add back guilds all the chat options would be there.
You drop into a regional channel. Anybody can make a channel and anybody else can join it. You can whisper people and reply. Add anybody without being friends with them to a party. Access their profile in game or after game to add them to friends.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51500 Posts
February 05 2020 17:56 GMT
#4074
[image loading]

blizzard has pretty much become a walking meme at this point.
Commentator
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
February 05 2020 17:58 GMT
#4075
On February 06 2020 02:56 GTR wrote:
[image loading]

blizzard has pretty much become a walking meme at this point.


And this is why when people say "Just be patient and have faith", I ask "Based on what?"
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4227 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-05 19:20:58
February 05 2020 19:18 GMT
#4076
On February 06 2020 02:44 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2020 18:44 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
On February 05 2020 07:30 Dav1oN wrote:
Even Grubby gave up on new graphics :D

He also thinks that new audio that were added to the game sounds stupid (new peasents deathsound in particular)

And indeed if you make a comparison of old sounddesign with the newly added one, then you can tell there is a big difference for sure. Either you delete the old soundset, or you remain with new one, third choice is to make new ones to sound exactly like their classic counterpart stylistically speaking..

#Blizzardhasleftthegame

That's interesting.. any source of that?

so only b2w guys still shilling for Reforged now I guess?

That's actually kinda sad, but I understand why they have to do it..


B2W rebuilt the Western scene on passion and enthusiasm, so they have a great deal of good will to use up for me, but they are actively using it up right now. But I'm not going to pretend I am anything less than a huge fan, even still. If anything, it is why I have been critical of them. They built something so great, and Blizzard isn't respecting it.

Remember Incontrol, Artosis, Day9 and others trying to pretend SC2 was fine? Brood lord infestors just needed to be countered? No major problems, nothing to see here? They were so terrified of getting on Blizzard's bad side that they let the game rot. All of the personalities I am describing have admitted what went wrong and how the game declined.

SC2 developers eventually made the changes everyone knew needed to happen but the casters were too afraid to advocate for. Years later, after all the hype had subsided. They let Blizzard off easy and Blizzard didn't return the favor. People need to understand that the old Blizzard is dead. Old Blizzard would have hesitated to even call this beta. WC3 TFT BETA had ladder. WC3 TFT BETA had ladder. WC3 TFT BETA had ladder. WC3 TFT BETA had ladder. WC3 TFT BETA had ladder. WC3 TFT BETA had ladder. WC3 TFT BETA had ladder. B2W basically created this entire community from scratch, but now they have their sights set on something they never would have dreamed of and it is clouding their judgment.

In truth, Khaldor and others trying to squeeze their way back into the WC3 scene now that it is profitable really does mean B2W has to play it safe in some ways. Khaldor being given a casting contract over B2W would be bad for everyone. I'd be amazingly bummed if B2W ended up blacklisted because they stopped holding their tongue. They are far and away my favorite casting duo, the only ones to surpass Tastosis for me.

But they could also just stop using reforged graphics. They don't need to remove their filter and rail on Blizzard. But at least stop using reforged graphics. Props to Grubby for making this change!


Very well said, I have exactly the same thoughts on the matter. They kinda rekindled my love for WC3 around 2016 when I've started watching their casts.. It was an awesome journey, filled with epicness.. but I can't watch them anymore, JUST because of their usage of the new graphics.. I just can't fucking stand how bad it looks.. how clunky it is.. How soulless.. I can't see what's going on on the screen most of the time anyways..

I also dislike the snarky comments Neo is making in regards to many people wanting them to cast in classic graphics again.. Also on twitter. I mean i know why they're casting games in Reforged, I get it.. they wanted to go full time caster for some time already and now the opportunity is ripe for the picking.. But I just can't lie, it is kinda leaving a bad taste in my mouth atm.

They could at least cast some games in the classic mode from replays like once or twice a week for example.. That would be sufficent to please both sides of this dispute, I think.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4227 Posts
February 05 2020 19:22 GMT
#4077
On February 06 2020 02:56 GTR wrote:
[image loading]

blizzard has pretty much become a walking meme at this point.

LMAO..

is this serious? is this for real?

what the fuck..
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
February 05 2020 19:37 GMT
#4078
Rewatching this:


Man, kind of ironic and stupid how the cycle keep repeating itself, you can literally change the subject from Aliens: Colonial Marines to Reforged and you would nail it.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
February 05 2020 19:56 GMT
#4079
In RT their matchmaking system needs to be improved. In some of the games that I played, it was clear that the 2 best players were together against the 2 weakest (with quite the skill gap between the teams thus formed), which makes no sense. Such things did not happen with the old system.

By the way Dreamhack Anaheim is in only 2 weeks from now. Better start crossing fingers that nothing too bad happens there, I don't see Blizzard having a stable version ready by then... Can you imagine the color bug suddenly triggering in the middle of a tense fight in a mirror?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26081 Posts
February 05 2020 21:42 GMT
#4080
On February 06 2020 04:18 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2020 02:44 Mohdoo wrote:
On February 05 2020 18:44 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
On February 05 2020 07:30 Dav1oN wrote:
Even Grubby gave up on new graphics :D

He also thinks that new audio that were added to the game sounds stupid (new peasents deathsound in particular)

And indeed if you make a comparison of old sounddesign with the newly added one, then you can tell there is a big difference for sure. Either you delete the old soundset, or you remain with new one, third choice is to make new ones to sound exactly like their classic counterpart stylistically speaking..

#Blizzardhasleftthegame

That's interesting.. any source of that?

so only b2w guys still shilling for Reforged now I guess?

That's actually kinda sad, but I understand why they have to do it..


B2W rebuilt the Western scene on passion and enthusiasm, so they have a great deal of good will to use up for me, but they are actively using it up right now. But I'm not going to pretend I am anything less than a huge fan, even still. If anything, it is why I have been critical of them. They built something so great, and Blizzard isn't respecting it.

Remember Incontrol, Artosis, Day9 and others trying to pretend SC2 was fine? Brood lord infestors just needed to be countered? No major problems, nothing to see here? They were so terrified of getting on Blizzard's bad side that they let the game rot. All of the personalities I am describing have admitted what went wrong and how the game declined.

SC2 developers eventually made the changes everyone knew needed to happen but the casters were too afraid to advocate for. Years later, after all the hype had subsided. They let Blizzard off easy and Blizzard didn't return the favor. People need to understand that the old Blizzard is dead. Old Blizzard would have hesitated to even call this beta. WC3 TFT BETA had ladder. WC3 TFT BETA had ladder. WC3 TFT BETA had ladder. WC3 TFT BETA had ladder. WC3 TFT BETA had ladder. WC3 TFT BETA had ladder. WC3 TFT BETA had ladder. B2W basically created this entire community from scratch, but now they have their sights set on something they never would have dreamed of and it is clouding their judgment.

In truth, Khaldor and others trying to squeeze their way back into the WC3 scene now that it is profitable really does mean B2W has to play it safe in some ways. Khaldor being given a casting contract over B2W would be bad for everyone. I'd be amazingly bummed if B2W ended up blacklisted because they stopped holding their tongue. They are far and away my favorite casting duo, the only ones to surpass Tastosis for me.

But they could also just stop using reforged graphics. They don't need to remove their filter and rail on Blizzard. But at least stop using reforged graphics. Props to Grubby for making this change!


Very well said, I have exactly the same thoughts on the matter. They kinda rekindled my love for WC3 around 2016 when I've started watching their casts.. It was an awesome journey, filled with epicness.. but I can't watch them anymore, JUST because of their usage of the new graphics.. I just can't fucking stand how bad it looks.. how clunky it is.. How soulless.. I can't see what's going on on the screen most of the time anyways..

I also dislike the snarky comments Neo is making in regards to many people wanting them to cast in classic graphics again.. Also on twitter. I mean i know why they're casting games in Reforged, I get it.. they wanted to go full time caster for some time already and now the opportunity is ripe for the picking.. But I just can't lie, it is kinda leaving a bad taste in my mouth atm.

They could at least cast some games in the classic mode from replays like once or twice a week for example.. That would be sufficent to please both sides of this dispute, I think.

I’m not sure how it’s all going to work moving forwards, presumably with WC3 being on the new ESL Tour for 3 years that’s going to be the Reforged graphics too? Makes it a bit tricky for them.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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