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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
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mainerd
United States347 Posts
On December 18 2013 05:56 seraphdd wrote: Saying it is in alpha does not matter when you charge 30$ for it. Alpha is not like a universal term either. Every game development cycle has different definitions for the term. This whole trend of releasing games unfinished and calling them alpha is not cool. Honestly at this point it's pretty obvious the dev team needed more money to finish the game or just plain scammed a shit ton of people with the massive hype train. True, I forgot about all those full featured games that went straight from Alpha to Release, skipping other development stages. TBH going from an in-house development build to an alpha is probably a total waste of time, they should skip that stage too. Sarcasm aside, you can always wait for the retail release of the game, and spare us your frustration over the price of an alpha release that no one is forcing you to buy. I don't think anyone would mind. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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seraphdd
79 Posts
On December 18 2013 06:10 mainerd wrote: True, I forgot about all those full featured games that went straight from Alpha to Release, skipping other development stages. TBH going from an in-house development build to an alpha is probably a total waste of time, they should skip that stage too. Sarcasm aside, you can always wait for the retail release of the game, and spare us your frustration over the price of an alpha release that no one is forcing you to buy. I don't think anyone would mind. How did you get from me saying alpha has different definitions to full features games come out with out beta? | ||
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matiK23
United States963 Posts
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seraphdd
79 Posts
On December 18 2013 06:11 teddyoojo wrote: i just see it like a kickstarter, but instead u also get to alpha test it so wheres ur damn problem lmao THAT IS THE PROBLEM. Wtf happened to the good ole days where we paid money only for a finished game(yes finished is subjective but w.e). To be honest I think kickstarters are the biggest scam as well so that is not helping here. Yeah instead of having investors fund the game that the devs have to pay back let's just give them free money. Yeah. What kick starter has really turned into a good game anyways? Even if one does it still is fucked they get free money and don't pay back the people who paid them to make the game. | ||
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seraphdd
79 Posts
On December 18 2013 06:05 hugman wrote: Did you not see the massive disclaimer before you bought it? How many ways are there to say it's not finished? I did not buy it yet. The reason I came here was to get information on the game. The massive disclaimer? Come on! The game had so much hype do you really think they did not know what they were doing when they put it up on steam? | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On December 18 2013 06:20 seraphdd wrote: THAT IS THE PROBLEM. Wtf happened to the good ole days where we paid money only for a finished game(yes finished is subjective but w.e). To be honest I think kickstarters are the biggest scam as well so that is not helping here. Yeah instead of having investors fund the game that the devs have to pay back let's just give them free money. Yeah. What kick starter has really turned into a good game anyways? Even if one does it still is fucked they get free money and don't pay back the people who paid them to make the game. What's wrong with this? You can pay money for an unfinished product. Or you can decide to wait until it is finished. Your choice. Where is this a scam? In fact, in this case the devs are making it absolutely clear that you are buying a buggy alpha version of a game. For me, personally, the game is too buggy and too much in an alpha version to pay any money for it. So I'll wait until the game is actually fun to play, and then I'll pay for it. An you can do just that, too.  | ||
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seraphdd
79 Posts
On December 18 2013 06:24 Conti wrote: What's wrong with this? You can pay money for an unfinished product. Or you can decide to wait until it is finished. Your choice. Where is this a scam? In fact, in this case the devs are making it absolutely clear that you are buying a buggy alpha version of a game. For me, personally, the game is too buggy and too much in an alpha version to pay any money for it. So I'll wait until the game is actually fun to play, and then I'll pay for it. An you can do just that, too. It's a scam when you pay for an unfinished product and it never becomes finished. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On December 18 2013 06:27 seraphdd wrote: It's a scam when you pay for an unfinished product and it never becomes finished. Indeed. Then it is a scam. Buying an alpha means that you trust the developer not to scam you like this. | ||
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mainerd
United States347 Posts
On December 18 2013 06:15 seraphdd wrote: How did you get from me saying alpha has different definitions to full features games come out with out beta? My point is that they aren't sugar coating their release, have warned users both outside and in game that features are missing, and have labeled it unmistakably as a product far from retail release. If you are dissatisfied with its current state, no need to worry, check back after further development and give it an assessment then. That Rocket and his dev team aren't proceeding on a schedule you would prefer shouldn't lead you to start accusing them of a scam. | ||
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seraphdd
79 Posts
On December 18 2013 06:30 mainerd wrote: My point is that they aren't sugar coating their release, have warned users both outside and in game that features are missing, and have labeled it unmistakably as a product far from retail release. If you are dissatisfied with its current state, no need to worry, check back after further development and give it an assessment then. That Rocket and his dev team aren't proceeding on a schedule you would prefer shouldn't lead you to start accusing them of a scam. It's not my schedule. THEY RELEASED IT FOR MONEY. The only possible reason for doing that is to make money. They could have just released some beta keys if they needed more testers. That would be the right thing to do. Have you been playing or watching the game? It is seriously looking like the arma engine has limitations that they can't over come in order to make a good game like this or they lack the knowledge to do so. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On December 18 2013 06:37 seraphdd wrote: It's not my schedule. THEY RELEASED IT FOR MONEY. The only possible reason for doing that is to make money. They could have just released some beta keys if they needed more testers. That would be the right thing to do. Have you been playing or watching the game? It is seriously looking like the arma engine has limitations that they can't over come in order to make a good game like this or they lack the knowledge to do so. They make the game to make money. Hold the presses! Funnily enough, I have been browsing the DayZ reddit the day before the release, and it was full of threads of people begging for the game to be released already, regardless of whether it's finished or not. Again, people can do whatever they want with their money. And they get ample warnings that the game is in alpha, so it's definitely no scam. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On December 18 2013 06:20 seraphdd wrote: THAT IS THE PROBLEM. Wtf happened to the good ole days where we paid money only for a finished game(yes finished is subjective but w.e). To be honest I think kickstarters are the biggest scam as well so that is not helping here. Yeah instead of having investors fund the game that the devs have to pay back let's just give them free money. Yeah. What kick starter has really turned into a good game anyways? Even if one does it still is fucked they get free money and don't pay back the people who paid them to make the game. Kickstarter is still in its infancy, but there have already been more than a handful of quality games that have come from it. FTL comes to mind at the top of that list. If you think you might get scammed by game developers, just wait to buy the game until it is complete. It's pretty simple. No one is forcing you to buy into the alpha, and the only reason you are upset is because other people are willing to take that risk. There are tangible benefits to crowd funding video games, the most obvious and notable of which is the fact that the only games that can get funded that way are games people actually want to play. Look at Star Citizen. They've raised over 30 million dollars by crowd funding, because there is a huge demand for a high fidelity, immersive, space sim and Chris Roberts is the best there has ever been in that genre. People are lining up to pay thousands of dollars to fund that game, although it helps that there are in-game benefits for doing so. Could Star Citizen suck? Sure it could, although with the people behind it and what we've seen so far, I doubt it will be completely awful. But it could certainly fall below expectations, and I would hope that all of the people that invested money in it (me included) went in knowing that they may be flushing money down the toilet, but without us, the game wouldn't have happened at all. Early Access is similar territory and equally dangerous. I've seen a lot of games lately that release for money on early access, and the game isn't really playable yet. I don't agree with that business model, but it is up to the consumer to do some research as to the product they are buying, what is promised to come in the future, and how soon that might come along. There's really no excuse for buying an alpha (like DayZ) that is clearly advertised as an alpha, and then complaining about having bought an unfinished product. If the game is not to your standards yet, then wait to buy it. | ||
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seraphdd
79 Posts
On December 18 2013 06:40 Conti wrote: They make the game to make money. Hold the presses! Has nothing to do with the point I made except it has the word money in it. That's fine though all the people giving them money they should be able to make a good game now. As long as that's cool to you that your money is going to help fix a game that should have been complete before making millions of dollars. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On December 18 2013 06:22 seraphdd wrote: I did not buy it yet. The reason I came here was to get information on the game. The massive disclaimer? Come on! The game had so much hype do you really think they did not know what they were doing when they put it up on steam? Look man, this release is intended for the people who truly don't mind the state the game is in now, the people who didn't hesitate for a second to buy it even though it's $30, the people who were sitting for hours spamming emoticons in rocket's twitch chat even when he wasn't streaming. They're aware that most people would be disappointed which is why they don't want most people to buy it yet. It's not their intention to get people swept up in the hype, but it's impossible to prevent as well. | ||
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seraphdd
79 Posts
On December 18 2013 06:43 ZasZ. wrote: Kickstarter is still in its infancy, but there have already been more than a handful of quality games that have come from it. FTL comes to mind at the top of that list. If you think you might get scammed by game developers, just wait to buy the game until it is complete. It's pretty simple. No one is forcing you to buy into the alpha, and the only reason you are upset is because other people are willing to take that risk. There are tangible benefits to crowd funding video games, the most obvious and notable of which is the fact that the only games that can get funded that way are games people actually want to play. Look at Star Citizen. They've raised over 30 million dollars by crowd funding, because there is a huge demand for a high fidelity, immersive, space sim and Chris Roberts is the best there has ever been in that genre. People are lining up to pay thousands of dollars to fund that game, although it helps that there are in-game benefits for doing so. Could Star Citizen suck? Sure it could, although with the people behind it and what we've seen so far, I doubt it will be completely awful. But it could certainly fall below expectations, and I would hope that all of the people that invested money in it (me included) went in knowing that they may be flushing money down the toilet, but without us, the game wouldn't have happened at all. Early Access is similar territory and equally dangerous. I've seen a lot of games lately that release for money on early access, and the game isn't really playable yet. I don't agree with that business model, but it is up to the consumer to do some research as to the product they are buying, what is promised to come in the future, and how soon that might come along. There's really no excuse for buying an alpha (like DayZ) that is clearly advertised as an alpha, and then complaining about having bought an unfinished product. If the game is not to your standards yet, then wait to buy it. I respect you backed up your points with evidence, however, star citizen is exactly my point. The devs don't put up their own money but ask for consumers money. Not only that but when the devs make millions off the game they don't have to pay back the people who financed the whole game. How is that fair and not a scam? Would this fly? Hey guys I am building a really cool car I need 3 million for a new factory. When I make 1 billion dollars off it I don't have to pay any money back to you. | ||
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Varanice
United States1517 Posts
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seraphdd
79 Posts
On December 18 2013 06:48 hugman wrote: Look man, this release is intended for the people who truly don't mind the state the game is in now, the people who didn't hesitate for a second to buy it even though it's $30, the people who were sitting for hours spamming emoticons in rocket's twitch chat even when he wasn't streaming. They're aware that most people would be disappointed which is why they don't want most people to buy it yet. It's not their intention to get people swept up in the hype, but it's impossible to prevent as well. Why not give up some beta keys for these loyal customers? Why because they would rather make millions of dollars off naive people chomping at the bit for a polished dayz experience. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On December 18 2013 06:51 seraphdd wrote:Would this fly? Hey guys I am building a really cool car I need 3 million for a new factory. When I make 1 billion dollars off it I don't have to pay any money back to you. It's for everyone to decide on their own. You're free to think it's sleazy, but the people paying feel like they get something out of it and most developers probably have good intentions. DayZ is a passion project for rocket. On the list of morally objectionable things this is pretty far down the list. Some companies earn millions selling fake credits people use to speed up artificially lengthened timers on their farms or whatever the fuck. Really, you don't have to look long to find worse practices. | ||
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