EPTWhat the fuck seriously. Sure there is a way (at least in Ryse) to unlock stuff just by playing but then I guess developers just have to make the grind for it (in these or next games) so boring in order to redirect some users to pay for them (the way free to play games usually do). I guess it's just an evolution from day-1 DLCs (in the wrong way) but still I wonder if people will stop at some point and not buy that kind of garbage.
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
What the fuck seriously. Sure there is a way (at least in Ryse) to unlock stuff just by playing but then I guess developers just have to make the grind for it (in these or next games) so boring in order to redirect some users to pay for them (the way free to play games usually do). I guess it's just an evolution from day-1 DLCs (in the wrong way) but still I wonder if people will stop at some point and not buy that kind of garbage. | ||
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Forever Descent
Australia20 Posts
On the note of Ryse, it looks so amazing. I absolutely love the look of it. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On November 27 2013 12:27 rezoacken wrote: So from what I've read both Forza and Ryse have microtransactions inside the game to unlock/upgrade stuff. Kinda like some free to play games. But that one isn't free you already paid 60$ for it. What the fuck seriously. Sure there is a way (at least in Ryse) to unlock stuff just by playing but then I guess developers just have to make the grind for it (in these or next games) so boring in order to redirect some users to pay for them (the way free to play games usually do). I guess it's just an evolution from day-1 DLCs (in the wrong way) but still I wonder if people will stop at some point and not buy that kind of garbage. Both games you can unlock anything without micro-transactions. each game it's fairly simply to unlock things without paying assuming you put some time into the game. It seems they are testing for mostly single player games microtransaitions that are essentially pay to win or along those lines. | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2544 Posts
On November 27 2013 12:27 rezoacken wrote: So from what I've read both Forza and Ryse have microtransactions inside the game to unlock/upgrade stuff. Kinda like some free to play games. But that one isn't free you already paid 60$ for it. What the fuck seriously. Sure there is a way (at least in Ryse) to unlock stuff just by playing but then I guess developers just have to make the grind for it (in these or next games) so boring in order to redirect some users to pay for them (the way free to play games usually do). I guess it's just an evolution from day-1 DLCs (in the wrong way) but still I wonder if people will stop at some point and not buy that kind of garbage. Most EA Games (Battlefield, Need for Speed, NHL, etc) had this for a few years, it's nothing new. | ||
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rezoacken
Canada2719 Posts
When games developers are at the point where they put efforts to find the right balance of points/hours in order to maximize profit from micro-transactions - just like F2P game or other premiums do - it kills it for me and I certainly wouldn't reward them with their 60$ to begin with. But if people are okay with it, obviously they'd be fools not to do it. Especially when reviewers say it costs more than 100$ to unlock the best car or having to pay 6 Million in game credit at like 15-20K a race. Edit: Been a while I haven't bought an EA game, for reasons. Last one was DA2 and I said never again. | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2544 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On November 27 2013 12:53 semantics wrote: Both games you can unlock anything without micro-transactions. each game it's fairly simply to unlock things without paying assuming you put some time into the game. It seems they are testing for mostly single player games microtransaitions that are essentially pay to win or along those lines. Yeah that's not really the case with Forza 5. In fact, its the only micro-transaction thing that is actively putting Microsoft into hot water. Microtransactions are hated but not new. But here, to unlock everything, you would require a minimum of 450 hours of play time to unlock everything - this is absolutely unreasonable. Basically all of the easier ways to unlock cars or earn credits to unlock cars have been removed and free play have been basically scrapped too to rub salt into the wound. 450 hours is not "fairly simple to unlock things without paying". That is a stupid amount of time to achieve anything. I know its almost your MO at this point to defend or spin everything Microsoft does positively but please don't defend Forza 5. Its indefensible what they're doing because they've already gone into the deep end and seeing if consumers are dumb enough to buy a full priced retail game that is structured almost like a Tiny Tower clone. If you want the math, to unlock all cars it would require 104,501,000 credits. Assuming you earn around 230k credits an hour (ignoring all other ways you can earn money, Eurogamer gives an estimate of 110k credits per hour), you would take a minimum of 453 hours to unlock all cars. If you want to unlock everything with cash, you can do so by paying over $1,600 real dollars to Turn 10. On November 27 2013 13:02 sM.Zik wrote: Most EA Games (Battlefield, Need for Speed, NHL, etc) had this for a few years, it's nothing new. Microtransactions are not new but having a full priced retail game specifically designed around microtransactions is something new to me. On November 23 2013 17:48 Lemstar wrote: Well, even on release day, PS+ has two $15 PS4 games available with the promise of a cut-down version of Driveclub to come. All Microsoft's said about GwG is that... there'll be something happening at some point. That doesn't exactly inspire confidence. This response is going to sound console warrior-y but there's no way around it. They're still doing Games with Gold. They're over-delivering on value and catching up to PS+ by gifting you Gears of War as the game of the month. Which one you ask? The very first one...the same one that released in 2006 and came with Gears of War Judgement for free. (Seriously speaking, its a masterpiece but who hasn't played Gears of War or can't find one for less than $10? I actually laughed at the news because its like getting all 7 Harry Potter books again for Christmas.) | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
What have they done... | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On November 23 2013 11:38 Lemstar wrote: I realize that there's a lot of subjectivity involved in evaluating relative quality of games, but I don't think XBL Gold's output is even close to comparable to PS+'s, no matter how you spin it. We've had five and a half months of Games with Gold to look at now, and only one retail game thus far (Dead Rising 2 among Fable 3, AC2, Crackdown, Rainbow Six: Vegas, and Halo 3) has been something you couldn't find in the $5 range at GameStop. That's not to say that every game from PS+ is a blockbuster either, but the odds of getting something that's not old and either a bargain bin game or a $5-10 downloadable game from GwG looks to be low. (This isn't even taking into account how much better Europe's PS+ is.) Based on present information, there's nothing to support the assertion that Microsoft's offerings are going to catch Sony's, or that PS+ is going to get worse because people will be subscribing just for PS4 online play anyway. That's not to say that either one is impossible, but counting on them at present seems misguided, if you aren't playing favorites. You're correct that GwG games are more akin to "free" games than PS+, although I think it's not very well-publicized that PS+ games are permanent on your account. You can accrue games and let your subscription lapse, then resubscribe (or use a trial code) to play them in the future, if you so desire - they're not going anywhere. Also don't forget that Xbox360's most succesful titles are older ones (like Gears of War 1+2, Halo 3, Fable 2, etc.) whereas PS3 only really took of the past four years or so. It's hard for microsoft to give away good free games because most people will have bought and played those games years ago already. Apart from Gears of War 3, I can't think of a single xbox exclusive that really blew me away the past few years whereas PS3 had various titles that had me interested (but admittedly not interested enough to actually buy a PS3). For now, I don't see a reason to buy a next-gen console. Ryse and Killzone are pretty much the system sellers right now but reviews have been disappointing to say the least. I really hope that developers don't think shiny graphics will be enough to sell millions this generation. | ||
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Lemstar
United States387 Posts
On November 28 2013 03:32 maartendq wrote: Also don't forget that Xbox360's most succesful titles are older ones (like Gears of War 1+2, Halo 3, Fable 2, etc.) whereas PS3 only really took of the past four years or so. It's hard for microsoft to give away good free games because most people will have bought and played those games years ago already. Apart from Gears of War 3, I can't think of a single xbox exclusive that really blew me away the past few years whereas PS3 had various titles that had me interested (but admittedly not interested enough to actually buy a PS3). Microsoft doesn't even need to go for exclusives. They'd look quite a bit better if they just slipped one of the same retail multiplats that PS+ has had into each month's offerings. | ||
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Striker.superfreunde
Germany1119 Posts
I've read rumors about  update: Microsoft brought the Gears of War rights from epic and will develop a Gears of War game, genre unknown. Side note: That's not enough to convince me to buy one, microsoft!  | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On August 03 2013 15:30 semantics wrote: Yup, dat PowerPC plus cell processors made shit complex, if anything development for XB1 will take a little bit longer due to their small dedicated memory which may be a quark or not, which btw is smarter. There is a reason we don't use GDDR for system RAM their latency blows chunks which isn't an issue when it's on a gpu, but it's more of an issue on a CPU. Which is why even with the spec differences they will likly run very similar due to DirectX optimizations and the ps4 hardware choice. Anyways XB1 uses full on windows DirectX 11.2 now so it's really just a Windows 8 gaming PC PS4 will use LibGCM which is ugly because sony doesn't try hard enough to improve it, that alone may saw developers one way or another. Probably because sony can't hire programmers and QC for shit, they have to re issue nearly every other patch for ps3 because they brick some dudes ps3 here or there. On September 17 2013 11:34 semantics wrote: Neogaf if you claim to be an expert you end up contacted by a mod and you have to prove as such else get perma banned http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=676989 Also you think a 3rd party developer would get fired over this? Probably because he would get caught at his job talking about of his ass. The source is multiple developers?!?! but it's time to cherry pick comments and just say one developer said "xxx" and yet we can't name any developers. That's bad journalism all you have is the ethos of the publication and the journalist. Edge has a history of salacious crap to sell, doesn't mean they lie but they frame things to be salacious and that's just what that articles does. It frames things so that people who don't get what's what get confused and take things to mean one thing when it can mean and usually does mean another. Probably why you end up getting threads on neogaf with every print of Edge. The simple nature of developers is you'll get games that look pretty similar across consoles only 1st party titles will try for a bit more then that. The power gap between ps4 and xb1 is very similar to that of the ps3 and xb360 and guess what you get very similar fud being spread around the Internet. Maybe exacerbated by use of similar hardware no more vague crap like old mac days of x86 vs powerPC that just left people in their own camps. Re-quoting these two posts because I think you were wrong about every single thing regarding gaming performance. As we can see from every multi-platform game that has been released, not a single Xbox One version is remotely close to reaching parity with the PS4 whether it be in frame rate (BF4, Tomb Raider), resolution (AC4, COD, BF4, MGS5, Thief, Tomb Raider cutscenes), texture quality (Tomb Raider, MGS5), graphical effects (NFS, Tomb Raider, MGS5) and so forth. So what was that about games looking similar across platforms, the hardware power-gap being very similar and Sony's tools and RAM choice being so bad that third party games will run very similar across both platforms? | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
Forza 5 sounds like a big joke in comparison. Fortunately, I'm not buying an Xbox One, so i'm not affected and now I don't have to feel bad about missing out, but still, how can they take such an amazing game as Forza 4 and destroy it? What the serious fuck? | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2517 Posts
I thought about buying the Xbox One (secondhand). The price for a new one with two controllers, two years warranty and kinect is about 330€. Now there are a couple of guys who sell their Boxes, how much would you pay for a used Xbox One with about 6 months warranty left? To be precise; I'm bargaining with one person who wants 300€ for the Xbox + Call of Duty/Assassins Creed + Kinect + 2 Controllers + 6 Months warranty. I don't care that much about kinect or the games, the most important point is the 6 months warranty that's left. :-/ So how much would you pay for a used Xbox One? | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2517 Posts
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Zooper31
United States5710 Posts
On July 24 2015 02:38 JoeCool wrote: Sry to revive this thread but I have a question: I thought about buying the Xbox One (secondhand). The price for a new one with two controllers, two years warranty and kinect is about 330€. Now there are a couple of guys who sell their Boxes, how much would you pay for a used Xbox One with about 6 months warranty left? To be precise; I'm bargaining with one person who wants 300€ for the Xbox + Call of Duty/Assassins Creed + Kinect + 2 Controllers + 6 Months warranty. I don't care that much about kinect or the games, the most important point is the 6 months warranty that's left. :-/ So how much would you pay for a used Xbox One? Do you even have a receipt for proof of purchase? Warranty isn't going to mean squat if you don't have that. I mean I guess you have to ask yourself if those 2 games are worth 30€ to you. If he got one of the original Xbox Ones that might've had some disc tray problems I don't think it'd be worth it. They've improved on that since release. Also I assume it's the 500gb version and not the 1tb version that's out now. | ||
digmouse
China6327 Posts
On July 24 2015 02:38 JoeCool wrote: Sry to revive this thread but I have a question: I thought about buying the Xbox One (secondhand). The price for a new one with two controllers, two years warranty and kinect is about 330€. Now there are a couple of guys who sell their Boxes, how much would you pay for a used Xbox One with about 6 months warranty left? To be precise; I'm bargaining with one person who wants 300€ for the Xbox + Call of Duty/Assassins Creed + Kinect + 2 Controllers + 6 Months warranty. I don't care that much about kinect or the games, the most important point is the 6 months warranty that's left. :-/ So how much would you pay for a used Xbox One? Technically if under normal usage these consoles can last pretty long, it is not launch Xbox 360 or fat PS3 fragile any more but it is from a stranger so you never know... | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2517 Posts
On July 27 2015 12:08 Zooper31 wrote: Do you even have a receipt for proof of purchase? Warranty isn't going to mean squat if you don't have that. I mean I guess you have to ask yourself if those 2 games are worth 30€ to you. If he got one of the original Xbox Ones that might've had some disc tray problems I don't think it'd be worth it. They've improved on that since release. Also I assume it's the 500gb version and not the 1tb version that's out now. Thanks! I got a new offer from another guy, XOne + 1 Controller both were bought November last year, he still has the receipt. And on top of that, Call of Duty AW, GTA V, Witcher 3, DA:I, Outlast, Sunset Overdrive, Assassins Creed Unity and another game I do not remember. 400€ Seems like a good deal I think... | ||
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Faruko
Chile34169 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HOVHFpx.png) Holy shit... | ||
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