The XBox Thread - Page 174

On June 20 2013 10:08 AnomalySC2 wrote:


They still are lol. They know that the vast majority of people will still be always online with their xbox, and getting that kinect cam into your house is top priority.

On June 20 2013 10:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Something tells me think that MS is not done with DRM almost as if they are putting this on the back burner till later.

Why is the kinect cam so important? So they can spy on you?

On June 20 2013 10:36 DrakanSilva wrote:


Have you ever heard about Used books ? Used Cars ? Second Hand clothing ? Paintings ? And many kinds of Art pieces ? Seriously, what in hell are you saying dude...

They are and they will always be the intellectual property of somebody, but at the moment you have a contract that gives you the OWNERSHIP of that product, that product is YOURS. That is why slavery was abolished, because they were selling PEOPLE, not THINGS. So yeah, you have the right to do WHATEVER YOU WANT when you buy something, or at least until the point of not trespassing another person freedom.

On June 20 2013 10:46 fuzzy_panda wrote:
Hmm I still don't trust Microsoft. Apparently this will be implemented with a Day 1 patch. If it's THAT easy to implement and take off, who knows maybe sometime down the road they'll reintroduce it. That coupled with Kinect, nah fuck that. Still sticking with PS4. Sure Microsoft has more exclusives atm, but looking at the past history Sony usually have more varied, better exclusives both in quality and quantity. None of the exclusives shown at the moment interest me except Forza.

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On June 20 2013 13:48 Brett wrote:
Well, Blisse, I posed a number of questions in my last post, so perhaps you could answer them so that I understand your position more clearly since this is definitely not a legal debate on property vs intellectual property concepts.

On June 20 2013 14:03 FromShouri wrote:
Totally blisse...totally. I mean between Windows 8, Surface Tablet, and now them admitting they were wrong after pissing off countless people and even firing people within microsoft they clearly aren't as stupid or arrogant as we think.

On June 20 2013 14:05 semantics wrote:
Atleast Microsoft doesn't brick your console every update like sony. What is it PS3: patches 4.45, 4.40, 4.21, 3.70 3.55, 3.41, 3.21, 2.40 and 3.0 - 3.01. All had a small to medium chance of bricking your console. Not even mention Play-station Network's stellar stability and security.

Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

Source: http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

On June 20 2013 15:26 paralleluniverse wrote:
So Microsoft is too spineless to stick up for their principles and have decided to u-turn on their DRM policies. They've jumped on the bandwagon with a mob of irrational, short-sighted, and economically-illiterate gamers on the internet (oh so they do have access to the internet!) who are stuck in the past.

What Microsoft was trying to do was to make the console market more similar to the PC market by restricting the sale of used games. Ask yourself why console games tend to be more expensive than PC games. Why haven't Gamestop and EB and Amazon and developers and publishers competing brought prices down to the level they are on PC? Why can't console games have PC-like pricing? The main difference is resale and the fact that Gamestop and EB leeches money that they simply do not deserve. They are the real winners here, the losers are console gamers who will have to pay higher prices.

And now we return to disc-based games, a relic from last decade which is quickly becoming obsolete. As I had previously explained, the 24 hour check-in was required to prevent people from getting access to every Xbox One game for free or at a significantly reduced price, and every company and platform, including Sony, uses DRM to restrict this. So with this flip-flop, what DRM have Microsoft employed instead?

Requiring the disc to be in a drive is an antiquated artifact from PC gaming circa 1999, which has been rejected by even some Xbox One haters. PC gaming eventually got over this phase, to emerge more efficient, cheaper and better for gamers. It looks like console gamers will continue to remain stuck in the past a while longer.

The fact is that most people have no problem with the internet. Indeed, the most popular games like LoL and WoW are internet and social games. Have fun paying high prices for console games and propping up the current inefficient status quo. A status quo where a sizable proportion of the money that gamers spend goes to leeches like Gamestop and EB, businesses that are unnecessary and add little to no value to the games, businesses that deserve nothing, instead of going to developers. I have no horse in this race because I play PC games, nearly all of which are online, but the loser of Microsoft's cowardly and pathetic flip-flop is ultimately the console gamers.

On June 20 2013 14:43 Jibba wrote:
Is it just me or is it disingenuous of Microsoft to say that they have to drop the new features (like sharing, account tied games and lower prices) because of the change in DRM to disc-based games? Since when are those entirely dependent upon each other?

People keep bringing up Steam, but before Steamworks games came out, PC games had the exact option Microsoft says they can't do. If you wanted to share discs with your friend, then you bought the disc version of the game. If you wanted convenience and a cheaper price, you bought it from the Steam store. Why does lifting the restrictions on disc-based games stop them from doing all the things they want to do with downloaded games?

In fact, they'd probably win over everyone if they actually did the price thing, and would have a much easier time phasing out disc-based games.

Disc sales drop, used game supply decreases, used game cost goes up, plus used games have a shorter lifetime than something tied to your account. Or you add some DLC code or something that's only for the first purchase, to further incentivize buying from the equally low-priced online store.

On June 20 2013 15:31 NightOfTheDead wrote:

Are you that naive? What does region locking your fucking CONSOLE accomplish in this your far-sighted future? Does PC has that? What does locking your whole library of single player games accomplish, if you want to play them offline, taking it like a laptop to away from internet for example?