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On January 19 2014 21:55 SaetZero wrote:

my local scene (as in both my really local scene and up in nyc where i went to play recently) are both becoming very varied in decks. netdecking has mostly stopped and there are some creative monsters appearing. super cool. gives me a good hope for the future of the game in the tri state area at least. :D

On January 20 2014 11:17 bobbob wrote:
As I've said to my friends, Anarch isn't really the faction to really do the 'I get a random access' thing. They have a tendency to work on a server via parasites/datasuckers, and then hit the server hard while the corp struggles to find good ice. As a result, Medium fits Anarch's style better. Medium + Imp if you really want Keyhole's ability, and you can also hit the hand.

I think Sweeps Week is probably the strongest card out of the datapack. RSVP is pretty strong, IMO. Garrote is like a shaper Faerie, it's fairly strong. NBN got a bunch of good cards.

On January 20 2014 03:05 FryBender wrote:
I think the strongest card in the new data pack is actually keyhole. Going 3 deep into R&D every time is huge. And the best part is you get to do it safe from snares. That card is going to be a monster. I'm still not 100% sure if it's better in a noise or a whizzard deck but Anarchs will definitely be played even more now.

On January 20 2014 12:27 sluggaslamoo wrote:


Probably any Shaper or Reina. At 2 memory its going to be hard to use in a virus deck.

It seems not that useful in Noise. Corp is going to wall archives, and you are spending a click to trash a card, when you can just spend that click installing a virus or using demolition run.

If you are going to trash a card to access an agenda, it would be better to just access RnD because archives is going to be walled (with Noise).

No doubt you will see it used in Noise a lot, but only because many people don't really think when they are making decks.

On January 20 2014 12:14 FryBender wrote:


That's exactly it though Keyhole is 2 cards for the price of one. And when you do get easy access to R&D because you just blew up all the ice protecting it you get to see 3 different cards everytime you make a run. That's the big difference with medium. On that one big dig with Medium you'l only get to see 2-4 cards if you run R&D 3 times. If you run R&D 3 times with Keyhole you get to see 9 different cards and trash 3 of them (you couldn't do that with imps unless you had three of them installed). With medium if you hit a snare you have to stop and redraw. With Keyhole you laugh at snares (and shocks). It's also faster to set up then medium/imp. The only draw back is that you can't tutor it with a Djinn. Other then that that card is all upside.

Sweeps week is very good (especially against Andy on turn 1). It sucks that it's 2 influence though because I don't think it'll see a whole lot of play outside NBN. RSVP is good but I would have liked to have seen it be at 5 strength. At 4 it's basically still yogable and only costs 3 for gordian blade. But yeah we'll probably still see it played a good amount.

Also I think you mean sharshooter not garrote for the shaper faerie. Garrote itself is not bad. the only thing I don't like about it is the 2 MU cost. I don't see myself playing garrote over a femme strictly because of the memory cost.

On January 20 2014 12:47 FryBender wrote:


You have 6 MUs with Grimoir and considering that you don't need Medium or Imps when you have Keyhole 2 MU is not that big a deal, especially if you're running Djinn.

Of course they are going to have their archives walled with Noise but that's great because that's less ice they have for defending R&D. You don't need easy access to archives with Noise since you only need to get in once or twice. JH makes it harder but not by a whole lot. Since when they use JH to put agendas back into R&D they're not using him to put back snares or economy.

I don't think it's a bad idea to use Keyhole in Noise. Quite the opposite actually. It helps with milling and puts even more pressure on Archives. I don't think it would be as good in Reina because Reina is a credit denial deck not a milling deck. I'm definitely looking forward to putting it into a Noise deck. I don't think I will be disappointed.

On January 20 2014 17:36 SaetZero wrote:
note on keyhole.

2 memory REALLY SUCKS sometimes

tried it in my kate deck, and i had a rig at one point that was garrote and keyhole vs jinteki.

i had to scavenge the keyhole to get breakers on the board.

so EITHER make sure you accommodate with plus memory hardware, use djinn or something, make your breaker suite make sense with keyhole in play (return of the cloud anyone?), or just be ready to scavenge a lot of things haha

On January 20 2014 14:11 sluggaslamoo wrote:


Your saying keyhole is better because it takes less setup, but then you say with grimoire you have 6 MU, which means you actually need keyhole AND grimoire. So its actually worse because you can't tutor grim and keyhole like you can with medium/imp. The odds of drawing both grim and keyhole early are quite low.


Keyhole without grimoire means you are basically reduced to 1 parasite and 1 datasucker with no breakers so you aren't gonna be able to get into archives, and you aren't gonna get into a walled RnD. So you're not putting actually putting any pressure on corp.

If you install Crypsis instead then you aren't installing viruses constantly, reversing the impact of the milling and defeating the purpose of using keyhole in the first place. If its not an open RnD you can only run on RnD probably once, and you aren't gonna be able to run on both RnD and Archives.

Dataleak + masanori/josh b/account siphon, and installing viruses is also spending a click to mill one card, except you don't need to make a run on RnD. In the end if the goal of your deck is to mill the corp out, then it doesn't really matter which card you mill. You also trash 2 cards installing imp and medium, you have to run RnD twice to get the same effect with Keyhole.

You also will mill probably 4 times faster against a walled RnD. So instead of get crypsis counters + see 3 cards trash 1, its trash all 3 cards (so you are still trashing the card you would have with keyhole). So unless its an open RnD you are milling less.

Lets say you do somehow have Keyhole vs an open RnD and open Archives (should never happen against Noise but anyway). If the corp has Jackson you have basically wasted an entire turn running it 4 times that medium would have prevented. If you hit an agenda you are seeing extra cards, and if you have demolition run you can actually access 9 cards instead of just seeing them.

With Reina you can trash operation economy cards when you aren't trashing agendas, making the corp click for credits which you can use for gorman drip, even without gorman drip its still really powerful.

I'm not saying Keyhole is bad, its an amazing card but using it to enhance noise's ability seems like a bad idea. What's stopping the corp from just scoring his agendas that he knows you can't get while you're busy trashing them into a server you can't access?

On January 22 2014 06:32 BlueBird. wrote:
I think after my experience with Gila Hands I really feel like it's one of the strongest cards in the game for both HB and NBN, I really want to fit 3 in my decks but I'm not sure if it's optimal. Scoring a Gila in HB gives you a ton of room to ice up and gain credits while waiting for key fast advance cards. You have the money for defense so you really aren't threatened, Gila + Install is +2-4 credits depending on placement, and advances your board state. With NBN, you gain two different lines of play for the game. The game where you score gila early and then have the $ to protect a SanSan + R&D, or the game where you score astroscript early and start playing aggressively. Giving you two different angles of attack with the deck.

The one issue i have with the card is creating room and bending the agenda composition. I ran 2 gila in NBN on Sunday, and 2 Gila in HB last Saturday, so I will need to tweak lists if I want a third. Also the second and third Gila is really useless except as archer fodder, or to make them run a server just to waste their $ for 1 point(assuming they already have a 1 pointer scored, an additional 1 pointer does not do anything for them). I was at 5 points during Sunday's tournament and I had to score my gila out of hand with a sansan, even though I had one scored already, just to prevent my opponent from stealing it from HQ, so I spent 2 credits and my turn to score something that didn't help me at all, only stopped my opponent from winning.

I don't have experience with Jinteki, and feel like Weyland has other agenda options with Hostile Takeover, so not sure on including it in those lists.

On January 28 2014 12:34 SaetZero wrote:
Won a tournament recently with my comedy custom biotics deck and kate. Got my first Datasucker alt art. woo!

On January 29 2014 08:43 sluggaslamoo wrote:
CB is an underrated identity IMO.

Just when you think have the game won, he has every agenda in his hand which you have a 1 in 10 chance of getting, and he goes from 0 to 7 agenda points in the next turn.