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Well. I'm looking forward to when they will explain to Yeela's family what has really happened to her.
Wish Abigael had put her foot down on this finally. It was her long-time friend in a forgivable situation. She was so close, but then backpedaled, always letting the others sway her mind. Bregor and Vincent just wanted to look cool and righteous (you failed, guys) over murdering an unarmed, helpless, savagely beaten elven mother put in a hard place over protecting her family. Served them right that Bannon the black mage rained on their parade, deplorable though it was.
Looking at all the "strike first, ask questions later" actions of the group lately, Dalamar would truly be proud of you.
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On June 13 2013 19:52 Asymmetric wrote:
Bregor has actually just been fighting with a plain longbow these past 2 weeks. Magic weapons and items can be used by any class. Any bow bought by Abigail would arguably be better off in Bregor's hands.
My understanding of why back stab was changed to sneak attack in later editions of D&D was that in order to enhance the viability of rogue's and not make them as dependent on one single pre-fight hit.
I'm asking what specifically makes gaining more levels in a thief worth while. What is she going to gain that she can't already do. She can already pick locks and sneak rather effectively, what makes gaining more levels better than simply multi-classing as something else.
Edit: For the record, the game Icewind Dale actually gave thieves the option of using the 2nd edition back stab or the 3rd edition sneak attack in the options menu.
There are TONS of ways to avoid having your presence noticed mid fight, even with backstabs and bringing thief up in levels lets them do nearly impossible feats, in addition to 5x backstab at level 13 (this is better than vincent could ever do, with the crit cap being 4x), at level 10 they can use magical scrolls like a wizard (though not at as well), and potentially become infamous and respected among thieves worldwide. (this can attract a gang of thieves to follow and obey them, or just let them into any underworld locations based solely on the lvl 10 thieves' word.
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lol she was under a spell of the domination ring and they killed her on the spot.
If I was playing Vincent I would have let Vincent kill Banon and make JP reroll again. It's his show but if you are RPing an evil person, kill an innocent civilian friend when there's a neutral good knightly prince in your party you just went game-over for your character.
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On June 14 2013 08:35 Komei wrote:
lol she was under a spell of the domination ring and they killed her on the spot.
If I was playing Vincent I would have let Vincent kill Banon and make JP reroll again. It's his show but if you are RPing an evil person, kill an innocent civilian friend when there's a neutral good knightly prince in your party you just went game-over for your character.
vincent was just as gung-ho about killing said civilian, but banon wouldn't split hairs about it and just stabbed her. it was a really good moment actually, because it cuts right through all the regimented, honor-bound crap that vincent hides behind often and shows the consequences of that choice unsentimentally. quick and painless or not, the end sum is still one more dead person that was being motivated by evil to be evil, whereas vincent was just out for revenge.
also, killing banon would be a pretty evil act in itself given his lance and grease spells probably prevented the entire city from being totally razed. from a utilitarian standpoint, it's not exactly the best time to claim he's incorrigibly evil and must die.
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Who. The. Fuck. Tries to bury their friend, fail miserably, then fucking loot her dead corpse. Come on.
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why did no one correct geoff? shmi skywalker was buried, not burned; cremation was a jedi funeral rite.
the fuck you guys ?_?
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I think people forget that Geoff is pretty much consumed by vengeance. He probably wasnt thinking very clearly and acted rashed. This goes for the whole party too. If you see the person who murdered your mother on the street are you going to ask why he did it? Or are you going to stab the shit out of him before he get the chance to run away....
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Since they've been doing it on different days...are they done for the week or is it happening today?
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On June 15 2013 06:07 Serpico wrote:
Since they've been doing it on different days...are they done for the week or is it happening today?
Done for this week and next week uncertain I think. That's why they did the extra Tuesday show.
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definitely not happening today because of dreamhack, and it says on JP's reddit that there's none the following sunday, which I think is MLG related.
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On June 14 2013 06:13 PrinceXizor wrote:
5x backstab at level 13 (this is better than vincent could ever do, with the crit cap being 4x)
5d4 or 5d3 are still inferior to 4d8 or 4d12 
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On June 15 2013 08:23 EchOne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 06:13 PrinceXizor wrote:
5x backstab at level 13 (this is better than vincent could ever do, with the crit cap being 4x) 5d4 or 5d3 are still inferior to 4d8 or 4d12
you can backstab with daggers short swords hand axes long sword quarter staffs ect.
for instance she can backstab an ogre for 5d12 damage 
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On June 14 2013 08:55 TheExile19 wrote:
also, killing banon would be a pretty evil act in itself given his lance and grease spells probably prevented the entire city from being totally razed. from a utilitarian standpoint, it's not exactly the best time to claim he's incorrigibly evil and must die.
Lol strange idea of morality you have. He just killed a victim girl and childhood friend of someone in the party when he had nothing to do with whatever grievances they might have. What else can Vincent do? Ask him to put down his weapon.
Also, he already protected the city so I don't even see how that argument sways. You can kill 1 person after you save 100?
It's not like you are preventing him from saving saving the town, to put it mildly.
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On June 15 2013 08:57 Komei wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 08:55 TheExile19 wrote:
also, killing banon would be a pretty evil act in itself given his lance and grease spells probably prevented the entire city from being totally razed. from a utilitarian standpoint, it's not exactly the best time to claim he's incorrigibly evil and must die. Lol strange idea of morality you have. He just killed a victim girl and childhood friend of someone in the party when he had nothing to do with whatever grievances they might have. What else can Vincent do? Ask him to put down his weapon. Also, he already protected the city so I don't even see how that argument sways. You can kill 1 person after you save 100? It's not like you are preventing him from saving saving the town, to put it mildly.
"nothing to do with" besides that without a giant attack roll of 1 he'd have died defending them.
I'm not saying that standpoint is airtight, just that there are a great amount of mitigating factors to consider if your proposal is just to outright murder yet another person who just prevented the deaths of hundreds only to kill someone that the de facto party leader had already determined was guilty. how does vincent, who barely got beat to the punch, have any moral imperative to act as some sort of paladin and behead him for the good of the land in any capacity?
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Hm I should ask neal if he subscribes to the "make thieves better at what they do" crowd. some 2nd edition DMs homebrewed the rules to let crits add to backstab (a level 13 thief crit backstabs for 6x, and a level 1 thief crit backstabs for 3x, and some even multiply (so a level 13 thief who crit backstabs deals 10x damage, but a lvl 1 thief who crit backstabs deals 4x) multiply i can see getting out of hand for neals ruleset, since it would let lvl 13 abigael crit for 20x damage. but it'd be cool to see addition or doubling.
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On June 15 2013 08:36 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2013 08:23 EchOne wrote:On June 14 2013 06:13 PrinceXizor wrote:
5x backstab at level 13 (this is better than vincent could ever do, with the crit cap being 4x) 5d4 or 5d3 are still inferior to 4d8 or 4d12 you can backstab with daggers short swords hand axes long sword quarter staffs ect. for instance she can backstab an ogre for 5d12 damage
Or Ballistas.
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On June 15 2013 10:25 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2013 08:36 PrinceXizor wrote:On June 15 2013 08:23 EchOne wrote:On June 14 2013 06:13 PrinceXizor wrote:
5x backstab at level 13 (this is better than vincent could ever do, with the crit cap being 4x) 5d4 or 5d3 are still inferior to 4d8 or 4d12 you can backstab with daggers short swords hand axes long sword quarter staffs ect. for instance she can backstab an ogre for 5d12 damage Or Ballistas.
most DMs don't allow ranged backstabs. neal does, but i'm pretty sure it's limited to hand crossbows and shortbows. or throwing daggers. I know a DM that would allow Backstabs with a greatsword, provided that the rogue had 16 strength and had 6 feet between himself and his victim. backstabbed an ogre for 15d6 damage
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This party REALLY likes the kick in the door approach.
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Very sensitive party too 
Anyone who holds anything over the party (even their own family) deserves to die.
They are definitely not good-aligned any more.
Not to say I don't immensely enjoy their' antics!
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On June 18 2013 02:51 willoc wrote:Very sensitive party too Anyone who holds anything over the party (even their own family) deserves to die. They are definitely not good-aligned any more. Not to say I don't immensely enjoy their' antics!
Werent they mostly neutral of evil aligned anyway. Not like that stuff matters. + Show Spoiler +Plus I didnt mind killing the traitor and I wouldnt mind them killing that traitors family either
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