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nanospartan
649 Posts
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
On June 04 2013 19:07 daemir wrote: So increasing those gunnery stats does absolutely nothing for planes that are just..the pilot aka me? Do the piloting things do anything? Why would they even allow putting points into those in planes that benefit nothing from it? Real dumb. well you can still increase the cheap points if you want to get faster to the qualification requirements for the crew. So if you for example increase 160 skills in a crew you would be able to get a qualification for a BF109 E. What this does is you pay a certain amount of credits and your crew will get a specific bonus in skills to the plane that they got the qualification for. I think it is +30 to pilot visibility, keen vision, gunner accuracy and spread, ground crew reload + repair time this is a HUGE buff to the plane but you will have to spend a lot of skill points. | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
e: ha went to try and learn bombing and actually managed to bomb enemy airfield to destroyed, didn't even know you could :D never seen it happen. | ||
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HellRoxYa
Sweden1614 Posts
On June 04 2013 10:05 MaestroSC wrote: Why are the USSR planes infinitely better than the american planes 0.o. I would trade 3 of my lvl 4 planes out for the lvl 1/2 USSR planes soo turns out until u unlock the hurricane.. all of the British planes are trash... I now know why the insult "nimrod" exists... The Airacobras (I have 2) are a LOT of fun. Tier 6 American. You also get the F6F-3 Hellcat at teir 6. Before then US wasn't much fun but the Airacobra 37 mm cannon is hilarious. Turns like a barn though. The teir 3 Lagg and tier 5 IL-2 and Yak-7B all have cannons on the Soviet side of things and they are all quite good (although different). Only at tier 4 with the Germans, only one really bad cannon plane so far, the MG armed planes aren't very good in my experience. I have both Hurricanes on the UK side of things but I really dislike them. Not sure why. Lastly tier 4 japs gives me a cannon mounted hydroplane Zero which is quite alright. Haven't played the japs enough to get a good picture of them though. | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
USA: I am rank 5 with this country...i only have 1 plane I like. Its the only plane with 4 guns so far and im lvl 5. I have a divebomber that i somewhat enjoy also, because it shreds ground equipment. Germany: Rank 3, Already have at least 4 planes that I would consider viable and enjoyable. The lvl 1 unlock plane, is a pretty damn good. By Rank 3 I have already subbed out all of my Reserve planes, and have 4 Pretty good dogfighting planes. USSR: Rank 2 so far. By far, has the best plane selection so far, mainly because your "Reserve" starter planes, are absolute monsters. They have good handling, 4 guns, and can shred other players with their high maneuverability and 4 gun loadout. Britain: Rank 3, fuck these planes. Literally the Reserve/starter planes are garbage. They are the slowest, least maneuverable, with only 2 guns that dont do the best damage imo. After a couple hours with this country... i couldnt handle it anymore and even after unlocking and flying the Hurricane, I just couldnt enjoy playing this country, because at lvl 3, I only had 1 decent plane and 3 shit planes that I hated and would use as ramming devices against enemy top level planes. Japan: Rank 3, these were my 2nd to least favorite.... Their first level planes are slightly move maneuverable than Britain's level 1 planes, which was a big plus. But thats about the only difference. Their level 1-3 planes IMO were boring to fly. They were just Really fast, with mediocre gun loadouts. With these planes it was all about building up speed and carrying it through, hoping to outrun your opponents, because they relied on long slow turns... By rank 3 I only had 1 plane I enjoyed. My suggestions to new players: Learn with the shitty countries, play all countries to Rank 3, then decide which nation to keep flying for. I learned the game with the US planes, which wasnt too bad, but by Rank 5 I still only have 2 planes I like, and still had Peashooters (the lvl 0 reserve planes) in my lineup all the way to Rank 4. If you like flying bombers at High altitudes tho, you might enjoy Ranks 3,4 for the USA. USSR: Play these 1-3 last, and you will absolutely destroy people lol. When I started playing the 1-2 ranks as these guys, I was getting 5 or 6 Plane kills, tons of assists, as well as destroying the ground equipment... these things are super agile, with amazing loadouts that let you pick off people like nothing. I really wish they would let you have multiples of the same planes. I dont understand why its necessary for me to have to field 2,3 shitty planes. I wish I could just put in 4 of the planes I liked. (IDK if this is possible atm and maybe i just missed it?) | ||
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FliedLice
Germany7494 Posts
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Sylvex
United States127 Posts
On June 05 2013 00:28 MaestroSC wrote: Played all of the Countries last night, got all of them to level 3, thought id share my opinions. USA: I am rank 5 with this country...i only have 1 plane I like. Its the only plane with 4 guns so far and im lvl 5. I have a divebomber that i somewhat enjoy also, because it shreds ground equipment. Germany: Rank 3, Already have at least 4 planes that I would consider viable and enjoyable. The lvl 1 unlock plane, is a pretty damn good. By Rank 3 I have already subbed out all of my Reserve planes, and have 4 Pretty good dogfighting planes. USSR: Rank 2 so far. By far, has the best plane selection so far, mainly because your "Reserve" starter planes, are absolute monsters. They have good handling, 4 guns, and can shred other players with their high maneuverability and 4 gun loadout. Britain: Rank 3, fuck these planes. Literally the Reserve/starter planes are garbage. They are the slowest, least maneuverable, with only 2 guns that dont do the best damage imo. After a couple hours with this country... i couldnt handle it anymore and even after unlocking and flying the Hurricane, I just couldnt enjoy playing this country, because at lvl 3, I only had 1 decent plane and 3 shit planes that I hated and would use as ramming devices against enemy top level planes. Japan: Rank 3, these were my 2nd to least favorite.... Their first level planes are slightly move maneuverable than Britain's level 1 planes, which was a big plus. But thats about the only difference. Their level 1-3 planes IMO were boring to fly. They were just Really fast, with mediocre gun loadouts. With these planes it was all about building up speed and carrying it through, hoping to outrun your opponents, because they relied on long slow turns... By rank 3 I only had 1 plane I enjoyed. My suggestions to new players: Learn with the shitty countries, play all countries to Rank 3, then decide which nation to keep flying for. I learned the game with the US planes, which wasnt too bad, but by Rank 5 I still only have 2 planes I like, and still had Peashooters (the lvl 0 reserve planes) in my lineup all the way to Rank 4. If you like flying bombers at High altitudes tho, you might enjoy Ranks 3,4 for the USA. USSR: Play these 1-3 last, and you will absolutely destroy people lol. When I started playing the 1-2 ranks as these guys, I was getting 5 or 6 Plane kills, tons of assists, as well as destroying the ground equipment... these things are super agile, with amazing loadouts that let you pick off people like nothing. Every plane below rank 6 in almost all the countries is really bad. Playing all of them to 3 is not really a good idea. America doesn't even begin to be good until 6 and you're not even there yet. Everything below rank 4 is basically tutorial mode. After rank 6 America starts getting the P-39s (which have OP-in-arcade 37mm cannons and start to destroy things) and the F6F which has ridiculous bomb/rocket capacity for a fighter, as well as the A20 which is one of the best attack bombers. Even the TBF is rank 5. Just make sure to avoid the P-47D. As for Britain, they don't even get a spitfire until 4 and don't get one with cannons til 6. Germany doesn't get a bf109 until 6. The Russian Yaks start at 5. The only really unplayable country in Arcade mode is japan, mostly because of how weak their armor is. They still have the best maneuverability, but their engines and armor are really really bad. Also, my name on WT is Sylvex, feel free to send me a message if you'd like. | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
On June 05 2013 00:34 FliedLice wrote: Funny, my experiences were pretty much the opposite of yours. Until you get the Bf109 (I think) I feel the German planes have the manoeuvrability of cargo-ships, while you get very good 6 and 8 gun planes with the British pretty early. Well like i said, I only got to lvl 3 with every1 except America where I am at 5, which apparently means im 1 away from getting to the fun planes... so i guess i just need to get more games in. So if I wasnt clear... these are my opinions on ranks 1-3 for all Countries. I think its important to comment on them...because if people dont enjoy ranks 1-5 IDK how War Thunder dev's plan to keep them playing until 6. | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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Sylvex
United States127 Posts
In my eyes, no clue if its intended by the devs, the progression works such that ranks 1-2 are slower, highly maneuverable planes (mostly biplanes), 3-4 you start to see real fighters, but they're mostly designed to combat each other and the biplanes and are still relatively slow, and at 5-6 you start you seeing the more advanced fighters that require specific flying styles and gain a nice speed boost. Also reading your descriptions of the countries more thoroughly I feel like youre getting some wrong ideas based on flying only the early planes. Biplanes fly extremely differently than the real fighters. I'll try to give a good rundown of the countries, but this is mostly my personal opinion. USA: Either have large cannons or a ton of bombs for fighters. Very good engines on their planes. The left side has the P39s and P63s with their OP cannons, the right side has the F6F with its massive bomb layout and the F4Us with their 6x machine guns. I'm not quite sure what it is about the F4U, it seems mediocre at first glance, but its one of my best planes. Bombers seem to be pretty good. Germany: Very good engines on their planes and rather maneuverable. The Bf109s in my opinion are some of the strongest planes in arcade mode. They're the only plane I actively try to avoid fighting. The MG151 20mms seem to be very powerful.and they have the speed to keep up and even outrun my American planes. The Me410 also should get special mention for being scary with its 2x MG151s as well as the later Ju87s. Russia: Russia seems to be all about the Yaks and the La-s. The Yak 9T in particular seems to be a focal point for the "overpowered" plane in the game that everyone likes to complain about. Its got the 37mm cannon that likes to kill people in 1-2 shots as well as better maneuverability than the American planes. The Russian engines don't seem to be as powerful as the German and Americans, but they seem to be more maneuverable. Might just be my imagination, but I'm not nearly as scared of the 20mm ShVAKs than I am of the Bf109s MG151s. I'm not completely clear on the difference there. Britain: Britain seems to have the philosophy that more guns is more important than more power. A lot of their planes have a ton of the lowest caliber guns. The Typhoons and hurricanes topping out at 12. Later on they start to get more 20mm cannons, but I'm not sure about the power of the Hispanos. If I had to guess I'd say they are close to on par with the ShVAKs. Their engines are even worse than Russia's, but they make up for it with more maneuverability (past the very early biplanes which seem to be very brick-like for biplanes). Special mention goes to the beaufighter with its insane 4x 20mm cannons. If you can fly this thing well it will absolutely destroy whatever you can bring its guns to bear on. Unfortunately its a heavy fighter and therefore extremely hard to handle and a massive target for anyone trying to bring you down. Seems to have pretty decent armor though. Britain also seems to have the best high altitude bombers. Japan: I'm not sure where you got the idea that Japan's planes are fast. They the slowest planes in the game, many of them actually made out of wood giving them paper thin armor. They do however get the best handling (partially because they are so slow) which means that if you ever get into a turn fight with someone you can expect to at least get behind them. Unfortunately the guns are relatively lack luster, with the type 99 20mms seeming to barely do more than a machine gun and the engines are so bad that a lot of the planes can simply fly straight to get out of range of you if they really want to. Again this is just what I've observed. I haven't even played all of these planes, but I have played against the vast majority of them at the very least. On June 05 2013 01:20 daemir wrote: I hate planes with turrets, AI gunner always gets a lucky hit on me and sets my plane on fire. That is the most irritating bollocks shit ever. Also, everytime my plane sets on fire, it burns fully and crashes. When I set enemies on fire, somehow the fires seem to dowse away and they keep happily flying. I don't even... If you catch on fire, turn off your engine and try to get as much speed as possible to put it out (throttle to 0 and dive). Also try not to fly straight at a bomber from behind, take a few shots then maneuver a bit so the gunners can't get a bead on you then line up for some more shots. Also keep in mind that the player can manually control the gunners, so if they seem particularly accurate its probably that. | ||
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LimeNade
United States2125 Posts
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Sylvex
United States127 Posts
On June 05 2013 01:56 LimeNade wrote: Everyone should remember as well this game is getting a big patch with new planes being added very soon This is also true so the balance may flip around again soon. I am under the impression that most of the new planes will be higher tier from the preview video, but its not anything concrete and I could end up very wrong. | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
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djukger
Germany68 Posts
almost 13 with teh germans almost 8 with 'muricans -> tier 6 is the arcade heaven ^^ 7 with russians 7 with brits -> low caliber mgs show their shittyness, next fighter at 8 5 with jap | ||
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daemir
Finland8662 Posts
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On June 05 2013 00:34 FliedLice wrote: Funny, my experiences were pretty much the opposite of yours. Until you get the Bf109 (I think) I feel the German planes have the manoeuvrability of cargo-ships, while you get very good 6 and 8 gun planes with the British pretty early. Play historical battle, the He112 is one of the best turning planes in the game. Plus, the A-0 model has got a 20mm nose-mounted cannon that can load pure APIT belts. It's amazingly good, one of my favorite planes. This is saying something, because I'm rank 16 in Germany, and I don't think I have any fighters that are more fun to fly. Also, number of guns isn't everything, their position matters way more to me. I'd take 1 nose-mounted gun over 2 far out on the wings every time. That's part of the reason 109's are so good, the MG151 and the two machine guns are all nose-mounted. On June 05 2013 02:38 daemir wrote: When you say turn engines off, do you just mean 0% throttle? I know you can manual aim the turrets, but there are times when you are definately sure it's not the pilot doing the shooting when they are already busy with someone else, then the AI turret turns around and first bullet gets my engine or lights me up, really irritating. When you're on fire, its more of a dice-roll than anything. I've heard the diving with an idle engine thing before, and it doesn't seem to work very well. Combine that with the fact that fires just sometimes go out on their own, and it gets pretty tough to tell if what you did helped at all. | ||
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Sylvex
United States127 Posts
I think the biggest factor in putting out the fire is your speed. I'm not sure cutting the engine actually does anything (especially if your wing is on fire) so it might just be better to simply dive with engine on to gain speed faster. As Millitron said though, I don't think anyone knows the specifics of how it works. | ||
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On June 05 2013 04:28 Sylvex wrote: Everything I've said so far only applies to arcade mode by the way. I would play historical battle if they had respawns like in Arcade, but the combination of bigger maps, harder flying, and more dangerous machine guns makes it so it hardly seems worth the time to fly out 1 plane. I think the biggest factor in putting out the fire is your speed. I'm not sure cutting the engine actually does anything (especially if your wing is on fire) so it might just be better to simply dive with engine on to gain speed faster. As Millitron said though, I don't think anyone knows the specifics of how it works. Once I played a few HB's, and got my first air kill, I was hooked. Haven't played AB in months. It's just so much more rewarding. I don't mean lions and xp (though you do make more in a good HB than in a good AB), I mean rewarding as in fun. I wouldn't say the flying is harder, rather I'd say its easier if you know your plane well. In AB, all the planes are fast and turn on a dime, meaning there's very little you can do once someone is on you. In HB, if you know your plane, what it's good at and what it isn't good at, there isn't much your opponents can do. The skill ceiling in AB is much lower than in HB. Imagine AB is a mirror matchup in SC, and HB is PvT or something. In AB, all planes are basically the same; in HB even planes in the same tech-tree fly differently. The He112 is nothing like any of the Bf109's. | ||
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