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On December 23 2012 16:24 Infernal_dream wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 15:47 Kamikiri wrote:On December 23 2012 13:27 Al Bundy wrote:
↑ Yeah real classy. Copy-paste bullshit then leave the thread. It gets frustrating seeing a bunch of people who have never played the game nor given it a fair chance bashing the game and saying things that aren't true. It gets annoying but I guess based on what you said I should just stay here and continue to put my self in situations that are frustrating for me? No matter how many times I repeat something against a point, some other person repeats the same thing(example sergey made big riggs). + Show Spoiler +
You know what's frustrating? You assuming everyone here hasn't tried or seen someone try the game. You assuming that everyone is just jumping on the bandwagon. Guess what, most of the people here have played or watched the game being played. Guess what else? The Devs are nothing but trash, the company itself is trash. They're nothing but liars and scammers. The game is complete trash.
You don't sell something that's in Alpha. You don't sell a "beta access" only and then force people to rebuy the game when you release it. You don't release a game with a list of features that don't exist, and will never exist + Show Spoiler +. I could keep going but you should get the point right now. You're trying to lead a holy crusade supporting this game for god knows what reason, when in reality everyone knows how bad this is. This game should never see the light of day again, nor the money of another person.
So Notch with Minecraft is a total douche as well, right? He sold Minecraft during Alpha.
Also you got it wrong, you do sell stuff during Alpha & Beta. You just DONT BUY something which is in Alpha/Beta, if you're not willing to take a financial risk.
I agree though that you dont release something with a list of features which are not in the game. But even big companies like Blizzard have this exact same problem (or did you guys have flying war machines in Wintergrasp during WotLK as promised on the box?).
But War-Z is overdoing it on that front by a large margin. And this is their only mistake, they released it on Steam, with a list of not implemented features.
Apart from that: Dont buy an Alpha/Beta and expect a good game. It's a risk you are taking. And it's a stupid one. Just wait for the full release, inform yourself about the game and then decide if it's worth your money. If not, just pass.
That's how we did it in the 90s....
Also, do you have any sources to back up the claim that you have to rebuy the game? It's the first time I hear something like that (and it certainly isnt the case for everyone)
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Yes its pretty much granted that Notch handled Minecraft very badly.
We all knew War Z had a limited lifespan after it was revealed they will be shutting down the servers in about a half year.
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On December 24 2012 01:59 Medrea wrote:
Yes its pretty much granted that Notch handled Minecraft very badly.
We all knew War Z had a limited lifespan after it was revealed they will be shutting down the servers in about a half year.
SC2 ends in 3 months! Heard it here first.
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On December 24 2012 01:59 Medrea wrote:
Yes its pretty much granted that Notch handled Minecraft very badly.
We all knew War Z had a limited lifespan after it was revealed they will be shutting down the servers in about a half year.
I thought that was debunked when the mod of the forum that tried to expose WarZ or whatever, got exposed himself and everything he said was a lie.
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Yeah debunked ok.
Where there is smoke.
Its pretty expected that this game will turn into an APB debacle.
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aparantly they're going to have to rename the game now due to a trademark conflict with "world war z" pending some legal action.
pretty lulzy
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On December 23 2012 13:08 Kamikiri wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 10:30 TheDraken wrote:On December 23 2012 09:51 Kamikiri wrote:On December 23 2012 00:34 AxUU wrote:
is it worth the money because I've seen people say that it's a hundred times better than dayz and i've seen people say that it's a hundred times worse and I really don't want to waste my money since i'm cheap. Watch streams and decide, this game has a lot of negativity around it but there is a lot of people who really enjoy the game. i'm sure i could also find people who enjoy being homeless and shaving with rusty razors too. You are saying extremely silly things now and not making any sense. Have you tried the game? What do you not like about the GAME. Someone said this on reddit: So, because you have 20+ years of gaming experience, you think you know what you're talking about when it comes to game development? You think that's some sort of credibility? The way the hatred is being directed toward War Z IS just the bandwagon or, in other words, a hivemind. It's the popular trend to bash on this game right now when you haven't even played it. Sure, everyone can have their opinion, but the farce that you and other flamers are putting on this game has potentially ruined the image of this game and confused a lot of potential players like the OP. You can feel like you're honest, and that's your opinion. But you have no facts to back it up. This is not a cash grab or a potential scam or anything close to a scam. They would not be issuing refunds if this was a scam. I highly recommend you try this game out for yourself and not bother listening to the bullshit people like Switch296 tell you. The popular trend right now is to bash this game just because the rest of the internet is. Yes, Hammerpoint has made some strange decisions and yes their PR with sergey is questionable at times. Mistakes have been made also, sure. But, it doesn't mean that the game is a scam or cash grab. This whole "lieing" bullshit has been taken entirely out of hand and blown up to such an extreme nit picky proportion, I'm ashamed that these people call themselves gamers. The vast majority of them I can bet have not played the game. It was already established that the steam release was a mistake and premature. Get the fuck over it internet. Play the fucking game or don't. If you don't like it, oh well and that's fine. But don't shit all over everyone else who actually does enjoy the game. It's one thing to have an unbiased opinion on a game. Yes, there are problems with it. But to take it as far as it has is petty and a piss poor excuse to show off a massively none existent epeen. They've been making vast improvements to the game since the original alpha client and they listen to the community when changes are made. This is a very small team of independent developers and they've done a great job so far. It's as much a learning process for them as it is for us. So OP, YOU play the game and YOU determine your opinion. I've gotten well over my $15 worth and it's quite an enjoyable game. Not only have I been able to play the game but also play a major role in the direction the game should go through my feedback with the developer along with everyone else testing. Remember that there is a difference between opinions and facts. The debacle behind the WarZ is mostly FEELINGS and OPINIONS portrayed in a way that could pass as believable facts. For example facts: -There is a hacking problem in this game. Right now, it's not uncommon to get shot in the face from an unimaginable amount of distance -The WarZ is still much in alpha with features still being added into the game over time -There is little incentive to cooperative PVE play at the moment as they have not included the PVE elements yet. This is called unbiased critiquing and these are points which I do not like about the game. From a game development standpoint, these need to be worked on. possible opinions: -The game is a scam/cash grab (witch hunters, flamers, and bandwagon) -The hammerpoint devs are copying DayZ (development began before DayZ and for the love of god can we not have more games of the same genre???? i.e. silent hill and resident evil or doom and quake) -The game is pay to win (learn what pay to win is before shouting it) These are opinions formed by cliques, witch hunters, and flamers on the internet. These tactics are used to destroy the reputation of a game and/or its developer.There are also legitimate opinions that can be formed as long as they're within reason (that's kind of how game development.. well develops). TLDR: Try the game out for yourself and don't buy into the bullshit flamers like switch296 and the rest of the internet feeds you. Edit: I'm leaving this here and closing this thread for awhile because the amount of people here who are uninformed and just trying to bash the game is unreal.
Random issue with this copy pasta. Development did not begin before DayZ. That has already been confirmed. It's well known that the game was created to compete with DayZ and get in on the zombie craze.
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On December 23 2012 13:08 Kamikiri wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 10:30 TheDraken wrote:On December 23 2012 09:51 Kamikiri wrote:On December 23 2012 00:34 AxUU wrote:
is it worth the money because I've seen people say that it's a hundred times better than dayz and i've seen people say that it's a hundred times worse and I really don't want to waste my money since i'm cheap. Watch streams and decide, this game has a lot of negativity around it but there is a lot of people who really enjoy the game. i'm sure i could also find people who enjoy being homeless and shaving with rusty razors too. You are saying extremely silly things now and not making any sense. Have you tried the game? What do you not like about the GAME. Someone said this on reddit: So, because you have 20+ years of gaming experience, you think you know what you're talking about when it comes to game development? You think that's some sort of credibility? The way the hatred is being directed toward War Z IS just the bandwagon or, in other words, a hivemind. It's the popular trend to bash on this game right now when you haven't even played it. Sure, everyone can have their opinion, but the farce that you and other flamers are putting on this game has potentially ruined the image of this game and confused a lot of potential players like the OP. You can feel like you're honest, and that's your opinion. But you have no facts to back it up. This is not a cash grab or a potential scam or anything close to a scam. They would not be issuing refunds if this was a scam. I highly recommend you try this game out for yourself and not bother listening to the bullshit people like Switch296 tell you. The popular trend right now is to bash this game just because the rest of the internet is. Yes, Hammerpoint has made some strange decisions and yes their PR with sergey is questionable at times. Mistakes have been made also, sure. But, it doesn't mean that the game is a scam or cash grab. This whole "lieing" bullshit has been taken entirely out of hand and blown up to such an extreme nit picky proportion, I'm ashamed that these people call themselves gamers. The vast majority of them I can bet have not played the game. It was already established that the steam release was a mistake and premature. Get the fuck over it internet. Play the fucking game or don't. If you don't like it, oh well and that's fine. But don't shit all over everyone else who actually does enjoy the game. It's one thing to have an unbiased opinion on a game. Yes, there are problems with it. But to take it as far as it has is petty and a piss poor excuse to show off a massively none existent epeen. They've been making vast improvements to the game since the original alpha client and they listen to the community when changes are made. This is a very small team of independent developers and they've done a great job so far. It's as much a learning process for them as it is for us. So OP, YOU play the game and YOU determine your opinion. I've gotten well over my $15 worth and it's quite an enjoyable game. Not only have I been able to play the game but also play a major role in the direction the game should go through my feedback with the developer along with everyone else testing. Remember that there is a difference between opinions and facts. The debacle behind the WarZ is mostly FEELINGS and OPINIONS portrayed in a way that could pass as believable facts. For example facts: -There is a hacking problem in this game. Right now, it's not uncommon to get shot in the face from an unimaginable amount of distance -The WarZ is still much in alpha with features still being added into the game over time -There is little incentive to cooperative PVE play at the moment as they have not included the PVE elements yet. This is called unbiased critiquing and these are points which I do not like about the game. From a game development standpoint, these need to be worked on. possible opinions: -The game is a scam/cash grab (witch hunters, flamers, and bandwagon) -The hammerpoint devs are copying DayZ (development began before DayZ and for the love of god can we not have more games of the same genre???? i.e. silent hill and resident evil or doom and quake) -The game is pay to win (learn what pay to win is before shouting it) These are opinions formed by cliques, witch hunters, and flamers on the internet. These tactics are used to destroy the reputation of a game and/or its developer.There are also legitimate opinions that can be formed as long as they're within reason (that's kind of how game development.. well develops). TLDR: Try the game out for yourself and don't buy into the bullshit flamers like switch296 and the rest of the internet feeds you. Edit: I'm leaving this here and closing this thread for awhile because the amount of people here who are uninformed and just trying to bash the game is unreal.
Good job with the copy+paste, if you want to actually debate a point with someone at least make your own discussion. The funny thing is even with that wall of text you're still missing a big majority of the reasons people find this game appalling.
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On December 24 2012 01:59 Medrea wrote:
Yes its pretty much granted that Notch handled Minecraft very badly.
We all knew War Z had a limited lifespan after it was revealed they will be shutting down the servers in about a half year.
I wouldn't tout that as fact. The guy who said it retracted his statement. Although, the way he did it and the way he sounded leads some to believe that he was possibly threatened into doing so. Regardless, that's a potentially damaging thing to throw around as if it's true.
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On December 24 2012 05:37 Medrea wrote:
Yeah debunked ok.
Where there is smoke.
Its pretty expected that this game will turn into an APB debacle.
I'm not sure where you drive the comparison there, APB and Realtime worlds who developed it we're good, the game was fun and had a healthy community and the developers did a great job, but due to finances they were forced to close down. I expect that the "development team" will close down, same as APB, but they are far different from eachother.
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On December 24 2012 06:58 Firesilver wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 13:08 Kamikiri wrote:On December 23 2012 10:30 TheDraken wrote:On December 23 2012 09:51 Kamikiri wrote:On December 23 2012 00:34 AxUU wrote:
is it worth the money because I've seen people say that it's a hundred times better than dayz and i've seen people say that it's a hundred times worse and I really don't want to waste my money since i'm cheap. Watch streams and decide, this game has a lot of negativity around it but there is a lot of people who really enjoy the game. i'm sure i could also find people who enjoy being homeless and shaving with rusty razors too. You are saying extremely silly things now and not making any sense. Have you tried the game? What do you not like about the GAME. Someone said this on reddit: So, because you have 20+ years of gaming experience, you think you know what you're talking about when it comes to game development? You think that's some sort of credibility? The way the hatred is being directed toward War Z IS just the bandwagon or, in other words, a hivemind. It's the popular trend to bash on this game right now when you haven't even played it. Sure, everyone can have their opinion, but the farce that you and other flamers are putting on this game has potentially ruined the image of this game and confused a lot of potential players like the OP. You can feel like you're honest, and that's your opinion. But you have no facts to back it up. This is not a cash grab or a potential scam or anything close to a scam. They would not be issuing refunds if this was a scam. I highly recommend you try this game out for yourself and not bother listening to the bullshit people like Switch296 tell you. The popular trend right now is to bash this game just because the rest of the internet is. Yes, Hammerpoint has made some strange decisions and yes their PR with sergey is questionable at times. Mistakes have been made also, sure. But, it doesn't mean that the game is a scam or cash grab. This whole "lieing" bullshit has been taken entirely out of hand and blown up to such an extreme nit picky proportion, I'm ashamed that these people call themselves gamers. The vast majority of them I can bet have not played the game. It was already established that the steam release was a mistake and premature. Get the fuck over it internet. Play the fucking game or don't. If you don't like it, oh well and that's fine. But don't shit all over everyone else who actually does enjoy the game. It's one thing to have an unbiased opinion on a game. Yes, there are problems with it. But to take it as far as it has is petty and a piss poor excuse to show off a massively none existent epeen. They've been making vast improvements to the game since the original alpha client and they listen to the community when changes are made. This is a very small team of independent developers and they've done a great job so far. It's as much a learning process for them as it is for us. So OP, YOU play the game and YOU determine your opinion. I've gotten well over my $15 worth and it's quite an enjoyable game. Not only have I been able to play the game but also play a major role in the direction the game should go through my feedback with the developer along with everyone else testing. Remember that there is a difference between opinions and facts. The debacle behind the WarZ is mostly FEELINGS and OPINIONS portrayed in a way that could pass as believable facts. For example facts: -There is a hacking problem in this game. Right now, it's not uncommon to get shot in the face from an unimaginable amount of distance -The WarZ is still much in alpha with features still being added into the game over time -There is little incentive to cooperative PVE play at the moment as they have not included the PVE elements yet. This is called unbiased critiquing and these are points which I do not like about the game. From a game development standpoint, these need to be worked on. possible opinions: -The game is a scam/cash grab (witch hunters, flamers, and bandwagon) -The hammerpoint devs are copying DayZ (development began before DayZ and for the love of god can we not have more games of the same genre???? i.e. silent hill and resident evil or doom and quake) -The game is pay to win (learn what pay to win is before shouting it) These are opinions formed by cliques, witch hunters, and flamers on the internet. These tactics are used to destroy the reputation of a game and/or its developer.There are also legitimate opinions that can be formed as long as they're within reason (that's kind of how game development.. well develops). TLDR: Try the game out for yourself and don't buy into the bullshit flamers like switch296 and the rest of the internet feeds you. Edit: I'm leaving this here and closing this thread for awhile because the amount of people here who are uninformed and just trying to bash the game is unreal. Good job with the copy+paste, if you want to actually debate a point with someone at least make your own discussion. The funny thing is even with that wall of text you're still missing a big majority of the reasons people find this game appalling.
It's a pretty poorly written wall of text too. "Lieing" is not a word. It bothers the shit out of me when people do that.
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On December 24 2012 06:35 Kiante wrote:
aparantly they're going to have to rename the game now due to a trademark conflict with "world war z" pending some legal action.
pretty lulzy
That wouldnt be of any threat at all to the game honestly but the game is already on its knees and the developer is bleeding so it might be the one thing that delivers the final bullet. Even AAA titles dont recover from this.
On December 24 2012 07:00 Firesilver wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 05:37 Medrea wrote:
Yeah debunked ok.
Where there is smoke.
Its pretty expected that this game will turn into an APB debacle. I'm not sure where you drive the comparison there, APB and Realtime worlds who developed it we're good, the game was fun and had a healthy community and the developers did a great job, but due to finances they were forced to close down. I expect that the "development team" will close down, same as APB, but they are far different from eachother.
Thats exactly what I am expecting to happen.
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On December 24 2012 01:59 Medrea wrote:
Yes its pretty much granted that Notch handled Minecraft very badly.
We all knew War Z had a limited lifespan after it was revealed they will be shutting down the servers in about a half year.
It was never revealed that they will be shutting down servers in about a half year. It was proven to be a blatant lie and the person who lied about it already admitted to it. Sergey also laid out a roadmap publicly and reassured everyone that they had no plans for shutting down in 6 months(which was the false claims).
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On December 24 2012 07:39 Kamikiri wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 01:59 Medrea wrote:
Yes its pretty much granted that Notch handled Minecraft very badly.
We all knew War Z had a limited lifespan after it was revealed they will be shutting down the servers in about a half year. It was never revealed that they will be shutting down servers in about a half year. It was proven to be a blatant lie and the person who lied about it already admitted to it. Sergey also laid out a roadmap publicly and reassured everyone that they had no plans for shutting down in 6 months(which was the false claims).
I trust the false claims the other guy made over what Sergey says.
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On December 24 2012 06:35 Kiante wrote:
aparantly they're going to have to rename the game now due to a trademark conflict with "world war z" pending some legal action.
pretty lulzy
World War Z was a pretty good book. I liked it at least.
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On December 24 2012 08:00 FeUerFlieGe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 07:39 Kamikiri wrote:On December 24 2012 01:59 Medrea wrote:
Yes its pretty much granted that Notch handled Minecraft very badly.
We all knew War Z had a limited lifespan after it was revealed they will be shutting down the servers in about a half year. It was never revealed that they will be shutting down servers in about a half year. It was proven to be a blatant lie and the person who lied about it already admitted to it. Sergey also laid out a roadmap publicly and reassured everyone that they had no plans for shutting down in 6 months(which was the false claims). I trust the false claims the other guy made over what Sergey says.
yeah i second this. i'm still expecting a 6 month shutdown.
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On December 24 2012 08:00 FeUerFlieGe wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 07:39 Kamikiri wrote:On December 24 2012 01:59 Medrea wrote:
Yes its pretty much granted that Notch handled Minecraft very badly.
We all knew War Z had a limited lifespan after it was revealed they will be shutting down the servers in about a half year. It was never revealed that they will be shutting down servers in about a half year. It was proven to be a blatant lie and the person who lied about it already admitted to it. Sergey also laid out a roadmap publicly and reassured everyone that they had no plans for shutting down in 6 months(which was the false claims). I trust the false claims the other guy made over what Sergey says.
He admitted to lying.
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So he tells more truths than Sergey.
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Well lets put it this way.
Saying it out loud like that means these guys have a super obligation to not shut down in a half year or they will be so screwed, and most definitely wont be able to work in the industry anymore.
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On December 25 2012 04:21 Medrea wrote:
Well lets put it this way.
Saying it out loud like that means these guys have a super obligation to not shut down in a half year or they will be so screwed, and most definitely wont be able to work in the industry anymore.
I'm pretty sure no one in the industry would take these guys anyways if their current studio shuts down. The negative publicity would be ridiculous, not to mention how unethical they are and how low quality the game is.
@ that guy who keeps thinking people are saying the devs of WarZ are also the devs of Big Rigs, do you seriously not understand mockery? They're comparing the two developers to say how bad WarZ is right now. Because the WarZ is so low quality, the only developers that could be responsible are surely the same as the ones who made the worst game in the industry, Big Rigs. There's no way another developer would release something so bad.
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