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the mmo genre had died to me after playing many new releases for a few months before tiring of them. aion, tera, archeage, albion online, and others have failed to keep me entertained for long. hearing about b&s from my l2 days, i was excited to play back then. i grew older, worked more jobs, and find mmos to be a poor substitute for irl. i was barely interested in b&s when i bought a pack 2 weeks ago to get into the alpha 2 weekend. when i finally got ingame, the early game tutorial system made me cringe hard. then, inbetween getting high, i saw the opening cinematic where (not to spoil) "shit gets whack," and i was thoroughly intrigued to play more even though 2 minutes ago i had no emotional connections to any characters.
i liked how they put your character into the cinematics. its kind of like playing until dawn, where the game seamlessly moves the characters from a playing screen to a cinematic video. idk how to really explain this, but i described it to my friend as "designing your own character and dropping them into an until dawn world" without the horror experiences and etc.
i played an assassin til 26-28 and had fun. i was constantly learning new skills and trying to work them into my rotations as efficiently as possible. you barely regenerate health, i was gaining 6/1000 every 3-6 seconds out of combat. early in the game monsters die in 1 or 2 hits making it a very noob-friendly game, until you hit level 20 and start doing solo instances with bosses that will take you a little while to complete. as a veteran high-level mmo/rts player, i was very surprised that i couldn't learn all the intricate moves of my class in a day. after the entire weekend, there were still new combos which i found to be better than what i was using. near the end, i was fighting monsters almost entirely while stealthed. in my final hours of the alpha weekend i learned 2~ new skills i never got an opportunity to try out. the game is very easy to button mash while playing, but it is very ineffective. my class at least was busting out full combos in a second pretty much, so you really needed to know your skills + hotkeys very well.
the thing that was the most interesting to me was that i couldn't master my character though. when i played games like league of legends, i could pick up a new hero and in 1 or 2 games, be pretty much perfect at it. but the depth of combos you can use in this game is interesting me as an adult to play every single class. it genuinely sounds fun to me, as a player who 1 hour before playing said "maybe it would be better if they launched later when i care more"
i have a bunch of screenshots available on my website from when i played the alpha 2 weekend if anyone is interested.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ay8awOr.jpg)
that one shows all the skills an assassn can learn, there are 6 skills available on the F key (2 are locked to me for now, and the other is a basic movement skill) based on different conditions ingame such as being in stealth or having someone cced. the skills with numbers next to them all have a skill tree which allows you to customize a single skill.
i have more screenshots available at www.pwntz.com/bns, my personal site.
the game is a little sexy, as you can tell by any of my early screenshots where i was making my character. the game however gets a little mature at times. one instance is available here, with my "mature dagger"
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edit: after reaching endgame i actually stopped having fun. i refunded my pack too. the main focus is on 1v1 pvp in an arena which is fun if you like that... 1v1 balanced arena pvp. i personally didn't like it cause i didn't play with any friends and didn't want to join a guild. but you can reach max level in a week of playing maybe 8-10 hours a day imo as an experienced mmo player but also casually playing reading most of the text for side quests. overall not funny, sorry if my post mislead anyone initially.
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So this game released yesterday officially for NA/ EU
anyone willing to test and have some fun? I can't promise i'll commit anything more than a few hours a week but it's always fun to play with some fellow TL'ers 
For now i can say, install can be a bit of a bother cause some stuff causes errors (for me it was windows firewall...) and there is currently a queue for about 10-20min in prime times if you are on a free account.
Game looks good, lots of cinematics and stuff, good storytelling (dunno if the story itself is any good yet)
We'll see
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Game is already infested with destroyer bots and insane amount of gold-selling bot spammers.
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this is like 5 years too late, the combat system alone cant tempt me anymore and i allready know the rest of the game is somewhat lacking.
Plus "No healers no tanks only damage" makes me run.
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On January 20 2016 23:49 Disregard wrote:
Game is already infested with destroyer bots and insane amount of gold-selling bot spammers.
Ye that suprised me as well how fast that was.
On January 21 2016 00:54 LaNague wrote:
this is like 5 years too late, the combat system alone cant tempt me anymore and i allready know the rest of the game is somewhat lacking.
Plus "No healers no tanks only damage" makes me run.
Well, it's not for everyone
Although the combat is quite different from TERA
I actually like not beeing dependant on a heal/tank/dd composition cause now when i die, i know exactly who screwed up... (ME!)
Edit: And I like that you can take PvP seriously with the fluid combat, ELO ranking and balanced classes.
Don't know any other MMO who does that
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On January 21 2016 00:54 LaNague wrote:
this is like 5 years too late, the combat system alone cant tempt me anymore and i allready know the rest of the game is somewhat lacking.
Plus "No healers no tanks only damage" makes me run.
they do have some skills that generate more or less aggro/hate if you spec into it. bms and kfms are considered tanks in most of the parties i've been in, if the instance is difficult enough not to faceroll through
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damn, I just wanted to play
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So the installation of the game was a trashy last decade experience for me and now in the last 3 days I have either be met with problems logging into BnS or having 1hour+ queue times to get on a server when I do actually manage to login.
Basically I like the look of the PvP in BnS and it makes me actually want to play an MMORPG for longer than a couple of hours for the first time ever. I can forgive the crappy PvE that seems to plague all of these MMOs for the PvP, but this is really feeling like an amateur affair atm.
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does this have battle grounds like pvp or is it only those 1v1s everyone is on about?
i dont see a point in 1v1 mmo pvp, might as well play streetfighter?
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On January 22 2016 01:42 LaNague wrote:
does this have battle grounds like pvp or is it only those 1v1s everyone is on about?
i dont see a point in 1v1 mmo pvp, might as well play streetfighter?
BnS is probably the only MMO with PvP that is not a joke.
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How is it not a joke that you can be queued up with people different levels than you are? I was watching a stream the other day, and this lvl 30 guy was facing 45+'s and getting almost one shot by combos he didn't have access to and couldn't prevent.
Maybe it's balanced around max level, but MMOs have rightly been removing gear/level from the PvP equation lately and it seems odd that this one doesn't.
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Seen alot of this game around but know next to nothing about it.
How P2W is it, exactly. I can handle a "sub and done" kinda thing but otherwise meh.
Installing for lulz tonight anyway, im bored.
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Looks like shit. Or maybe its just a terrible trailer.
Advice for next time:
Write what kind of game it is, FPS, hack'n'slash etc.
I had no idea so i had to check the trailer.
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I downloaded it last night. My first impression is that it's the generic F2P Korean MMORPG with a fancy combat system. Something like "vindictus meets tera". Nothing unique about the artstyle. Considering that I had to wait 1 hour to actually get in and the existance of bots... and NCsoft, I probably won't stick with the game. The all chat is already useless with countless gold spammers. Today will give it another try and will see.
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dunno what you all guys have with art style and graphics... i really couldn't care less as long as the game is fun
PvP:
- 3v3 and 6v6 Battleground is coming soon'ish afaik
- Arena PvP is everyone vs everyone but max level, matched only through ELO
- Max lvl is only vs max level, again purely matched through ELO
Installation:
- yeah this was utter shit
Queue:
- Hope this'll get better 1-2 weeks in
P2W:
Dunno, we'll see
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The one thing that annoys me is that you need a lot of luck to get your class weapon out of the treasure chests. The only way to get you class weapon for sure is by buying a special key which guarantuess your class weapon. Now if I don't want to spend money I will have to farm the first dungeon "black narrows" until I get my class weapon out of the treasure chest, you can't even trade them. I did Black Narrows 3 times so far and had no luck.
So this is kinda p2w, but I guess some grinding is okay and at least I might get a complete purple sould shield out of this grind.
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On January 22 2016 21:07 Musicus wrote:
The one thing that annoys me is that you need a lot of luck to get your class weapon out of the treasure chests. The only way to get you class weapon for sure is by buying a special key which guarantuess your class weapon. Now if I don't want to spend money I will have to farm the first dungeon "black narrows" until I get my class weapon out of the treasure chest, you can't even trade them. I did Black Narrows 3 times so far and had no luck.
So this is kinda p2w, but I guess some grinding is okay and at least I might get a complete purple sould shield out of this grind.
Maybe i missunderstood something, but i thougt you just upgrade your starting weapon throughout the game and really dont need any other weapons?
After some googling i came to the conclusion that our starting weapon is enough until lvl 45+, then some better stuff drops in dungeons etc.
So you keep upgrading until then
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On January 22 2016 21:54 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2016 21:07 Musicus wrote:
The one thing that annoys me is that you need a lot of luck to get your class weapon out of the treasure chests. The only way to get you class weapon for sure is by buying a special key which guarantuess your class weapon. Now if I don't want to spend money I will have to farm the first dungeon "black narrows" until I get my class weapon out of the treasure chest, you can't even trade them. I did Black Narrows 3 times so far and had no luck.
So this is kinda p2w, but I guess some grinding is okay and at least I might get a complete purple sould shield out of this grind. Maybe i missunderstood something, but i thougt you just upgrade your starting weapon throughout the game and really dont need any other weapons? After some googling i came to the conclusion that our starting weapon is enough until lvl 45+, then some better stuff drops in dungeons etc. So you keep upgrading until then
Yeah but to keep upgrading your weapon, you need to evolve them with breakthrough weapons. So you have to get those. For example when you hongmoo weaopong reaches level 5 you need the Stalker weapon of you class, then it can breakthrough and you can level it to level 10. On level 10 you need the blight weapon of your class which you can only get out of that blackram narrows dungeon.
But just now I got it after my 4th run, didn't get it out of the chest but the boss dropped it directly and I was the only Assassin . 4 runs is not too bad I guess and you can comine it with a daily quest.
Now I got to evolve my hongmoon dagger into an awakened blight dagger, I already maxed it out again and need a Corrupted dagger next to evolve it once again. So basically you need class weapons every 5 weapon levels to be able to evolve it.
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So holy shit..after all the buzz surrounding this game i expected something better.
Its is your typical korean P2W mmo. Weird ass minigames all over the place, dumb upgrade systems & chance bags etc all smushed together into a terrible UI to hide the fact that its literally "If you buy our KEYS you can get better loot!".
The questing is awful even by MMO standards. You spam F through all the quests in your hub for ~2 minutes then run for ~2 minutes and then kill stuff for ~2 minutes, run for ~2 minutes and repeat. (yes thats a 25% fun:time ratio right there.)
The combat is clunky and shite, after having played both the assassin and the force walker (or w/e it is) half the time im using skills they arent even registering properly, not working at all or the animations are bugging out. How people can call this "fluid" is beyond me.
I didnt even get to the PvP because the game is so bloody bad. I repeat that this game is a very typical korean F2P game with buckets of P2W systems all over the place. Avoid.
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On January 23 2016 09:35 Capped wrote:
So holy shit..after all the buzz surrounding this game i expected something better.
Its is your typical korean P2W mmo. Weird ass minigames all over the place, dumb upgrade systems & chance bags etc all smushed together into a terrible UI to hide the fact that its literally "If you buy our KEYS you can get better loot!".
The questing is awful even by MMO standards. You spam F through all the quests in your hub for ~2 minutes then run for ~2 minutes and then kill stuff for ~2 minutes, run for ~2 minutes and repeat. (yes thats a 25% fun:time ratio right there.)
The combat is clunky and shite, after having played both the assassin and the force walker (or w/e it is) half the time im using skills they arent even registering properly, not working at all or the animations are bugging out. How people can call this "fluid" is beyond me.
I didnt even get to the PvP because the game is so bloody bad. I repeat that this game is a very typical korean F2P game with buckets of P2W systems all over the place. Avoid.
Pretty much exactly the same impression my friend and I had.
All that and it's so unbelievably dumb that soul shield parts take up inventory space considering there's a separate page for them. Got to level 21 and quit after not getting my blight weapon in a bajillion runs.
Getting more bonus exp and gold based on how much you spend in the cash shop for Premium also didn't really sit right with me even if a F2P player could eventually catch up.
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