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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10829 Posts
December 12 2013 10:28 GMT
#661
I got 1 week of taxes and my only quick attack creatures are the pao's.

So, yeah...

To me that sounds like:
To beat that --> Switch Hero or switch to Fortunes instead of spells.
RelZo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hungary397 Posts
December 12 2013 14:44 GMT
#662
On December 12 2013 19:28 Velr wrote:
I got 1 week of taxes and my only quick attack creatures are the pao's.

So, yeah...

To me that sounds like:
To beat that --> Switch Hero or switch to Fortunes instead of spells.

Yeah, unfortunately (or fortunately?) there's no hero with positive winrate vs everything in the meta.
a choboling
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
December 12 2013 14:47 GMT
#663
I got my second box Now I have most of the cards needed for my Xiph rush deck. I'm almost at 1000 elo.

I'm wondering if I should spend my seals on five towers cards now. Or should I reach for the 10 xp boost achievement first? Also, I've been getting the small packs with my gold because they give the most card/gold (1000 gold per card). Hopefully, this way I'll get to the 1000 card achievement quickly.

I'm currently 5-7 in a jackpot tourney, so it looks like my deck is almost decent. At what elo do you start to get prizes in jackpot tourneys? Also, do they do any matchmaking in jackpots, or do they just match you up against the next person to queue? It seems like it's just a random person, cause they match you up so quickly. I'm wondering because I want to know if the matches will start getting tougher as I get higher up in rank.

And what are the prizes for swiss tourneys? I'm assuming they're a significant amount tougher than jackpot tourneys, so I probably won't try them for a while, but I am curious what the rewards are.

Finally, can you get heroes from regular packs? I only have two heroes so I don't know if there's any way to get them other than wildcards, heroic packs, and decks.
SongByungWewt
Profile Joined October 2013
China593 Posts
December 12 2013 14:53 GMT
#664
On December 12 2013 05:57 jrkirby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 05:40 Wuster wrote:
Also a note on rushing, other than some really refined rush decks (*cough* Crag Hack *cough*), it's generally considered that rushing has a low ceiling since for other deck types to exist they have to be able to handle rushes and rushes by nature aren't real great at handling other deck types (they just hope to rush you down).


I'm noticing that ceiling. While I'm nowhere near it yet, it's pretty apparent that most of the best decks are some type of control deck. I just chose to go for a rush deck because Xiph was my second (and latest) hero. Since I stated inferno, rush is the only real option before I get some better cards. Hopefully after I get my second box my rush deck will be pretty decent.


Wuster what do you think is the general elo ceiling for non-Crag rush decks?
RelZo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hungary397 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-12 15:03:11
December 12 2013 14:58 GMT
#665
On December 12 2013 23:47 jrkirby wrote:
I got my second box Now I have most of the cards needed for my Xiph rush deck. I'm almost at 1000 elo.

I'm wondering if I should spend my seals on five towers cards now. Or should I reach for the 10 xp boost achievement first? Also, I've been getting the small packs with my gold because they give the most card/gold (1000 gold per card). Hopefully, this way I'll get to the 1000 card achievement quickly.

I'm currently 5-7 in a jackpot tourney, so it looks like my deck is almost decent. At what elo do you start to get prizes in jackpot tourneys? Also, do they do any matchmaking in jackpots, or do they just match you up against the next person to queue? It seems like it's just a random person, cause they match you up so quickly. I'm wondering because I want to know if the matches will start getting tougher as I get higher up in rank.

And what are the prizes for swiss tourneys? I'm assuming they're a significant amount tougher than jackpot tourneys, so I probably won't try them for a while, but I am curious what the rewards are.

Finally, can you get heroes from regular packs? I only have two heroes so I don't know if there's any way to get them other than wildcards, heroic packs, and decks.

1. Five towers don't really add anything to most decks...the Champions Box on the other hand is a great investment. Or depending on what decks you'll want to build, HotV, VR or FW box. Buying xp boosts is a waste of seals.

2. Jackpot is more difficult than swisses if you want to get decent rewards out of it. You can easily get about 90ish telo, with which you can get around 5k gold (tier 5 reward). It matches you against a person with a similar telo, so your normal elo has no real significance if you are playing jackpot.
(edit: Tier 1 jackpot requires about 270 telo on most days, and is worth about 48k gold)

3. The rewards for swisses:
1st place: premium FT pack
2nd place: normal FT pack

4. Heroic packs can give you base set heroes, HotV pack can give you HotV heroes, etc.
a choboling
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-12 17:34:58
December 12 2013 16:52 GMT
#666
I just beat two control decks in a row. Feels good, I don't even have all the anti-control events that I need yet.

1000 elo, too. one more win to get the achievement

Does anyone know the chance of getting a wildcard out of a small pack?
DPK
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada487 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-12 20:36:51
December 12 2013 20:33 GMT
#667
On December 13 2013 01:52 jrkirby wrote:
I just beat two control decks in a row. Feels good, I don't even have all the anti-control events that I need yet.

1000 elo, too. one more win to get the achievement

Does anyone know the chance of getting a wildcard out of a small pack?


A very small chance! But more seriously, I saw in your other post that you are buying small packs with your gold but you shouldn't do that as they are not worth it at all. They can have duplicate (other packs don't) and you're not guaranteed to have 3 uncommon and 1 rare/epic cards like other packs. So you might end up with only common cards in your small pack. You shouldn't think about how much gold a single card cost per pack but more how many good cards you might get from them. The normal reinforcement packs only cost like 42 more gold per card but you are guaranteed to get 3 uncommon and 1 rare/epic, a lot better than the small packs.
Desire.Discipline.Dedication
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
December 12 2013 20:57 GMT
#668
On December 12 2013 23:53 SongByungWewt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2013 05:57 jrkirby wrote:
On December 12 2013 05:40 Wuster wrote:
Also a note on rushing, other than some really refined rush decks (*cough* Crag Hack *cough*), it's generally considered that rushing has a low ceiling since for other deck types to exist they have to be able to handle rushes and rushes by nature aren't real great at handling other deck types (they just hope to rush you down).


I'm noticing that ceiling. While I'm nowhere near it yet, it's pretty apparent that most of the best decks are some type of control deck. I just chose to go for a rush deck because Xiph was my second (and latest) hero. Since I stated inferno, rush is the only real option before I get some better cards. Hopefully after I get my second box my rush deck will be pretty decent.


Wuster what do you think is the general elo ceiling for non-Crag rush decks?


Honestly I have no idea. I'm only around 1000 - 1200 ELO depending on which deck I'm messing around with (did my best with Acamas combo deck). I change decks a lot and a generic Garant rush (no DA's even) still wins me 50-50, so I haven't seen the ceiling yet, but I guess you could say it's also not a pure rush deck either (it's so subjective).

The few times I see 1400+ elo rushers it's always Crag Hack and Ishuma (although Ishuma isn't stricly rush), then again Mother Namtaru rush decks still get T1 in jackpot, it's just no one wants to play it.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-12 21:22:48
December 12 2013 21:21 GMT
#669
On December 13 2013 05:33 DPK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 01:52 jrkirby wrote:
I just beat two control decks in a row. Feels good, I don't even have all the anti-control events that I need yet.

1000 elo, too. one more win to get the achievement

Does anyone know the chance of getting a wildcard out of a small pack?


A very small chance! But more seriously, I saw in your other post that you are buying small packs with your gold but you shouldn't do that as they are not worth it at all. They can have duplicate (other packs don't) and you're not guaranteed to have 3 uncommon and 1 rare/epic cards like other packs. So you might end up with only common cards in your small pack. You shouldn't think about how much gold a single card cost per pack but more how many good cards you might get from them. The normal reinforcement packs only cost like 42 more gold per card but you are guaranteed to get 3 uncommon and 1 rare/epic, a lot better than the small packs.


Yeah, I stopped getting them because I needed some void rising cards. And I just got another void wraith, so that paid off.

It seems like premium packs are a terrible idea unless you're done collecting all the regular cards. Do they have any upshots other than having premium cards?

Also, you guys can friend me/add my username to the OP.

TL name: jrkirby
DoC name: JrKirby
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
December 12 2013 21:26 GMT
#670
Premium packs are supposed to have a better chance at an extra wild card. The main reason to buy them is for the achievements (unless you happen to like shiny's).

Also, for anyone with access of the game for the next 90 minutes here's 2 premium reinforcement packs + 10k gold
http://www.eclypsia.com/fr/f2p/news-5803.html

I'm at work, so kinda miffed that this promo is so short term, but what can you do.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
December 12 2013 21:55 GMT
#671
On December 13 2013 06:26 Wuster wrote:
Premium packs are supposed to have a better chance at an extra wild card. The main reason to buy them is for the achievements (unless you happen to like shiny's).

Also, for anyone with access of the game for the next 90 minutes here's 2 premium reinforcement packs + 10k gold
http://www.eclypsia.com/fr/f2p/news-5803.html

I'm at work, so kinda miffed that this promo is so short term, but what can you do.


ECLYPS1A-AnD-MMDoC

Doesn't work for me.
RelZo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hungary397 Posts
December 12 2013 22:10 GMT
#672
On December 13 2013 05:33 DPK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2013 01:52 jrkirby wrote:
I just beat two control decks in a row. Feels good, I don't even have all the anti-control events that I need yet.

1000 elo, too. one more win to get the achievement

Does anyone know the chance of getting a wildcard out of a small pack?


A very small chance! But more seriously, I saw in your other post that you are buying small packs with your gold but you shouldn't do that as they are not worth it at all. They can have duplicate (other packs don't) and you're not guaranteed to have 3 uncommon and 1 rare/epic cards like other packs. So you might end up with only common cards in your small pack. You shouldn't think about how much gold a single card cost per pack but more how many good cards you might get from them. The normal reinforcement packs only cost like 42 more gold per card but you are guaranteed to get 3 uncommon and 1 rare/epic, a lot better than the small packs.

After a certain point (when you have most of the cards you need) it's better to buy small packs, simply because every third can give you a wild card; that's insanely cheap, compared to getting 1 out of a FT pack for example. But earlier on, yeah, you should stick to reinforcement packs.
a choboling
DPK
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada487 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-12 23:07:38
December 12 2013 23:06 GMT
#673
Even if you have most of the cards you need, I still don't understand why you would want to buy small packs instead of the regular ones just for a chance to have a single wildcard and when you clearly have less chances to get good cards. If you manage to get a duplicate epic from a normal reinforcement pack, you can put it in the altar for a better chance to get a card you might want/need. I also doubt they will give you a wildcard for every third pack since it's not written in the pack description as opposed to reinforcement pack where its written you have 1 chance out of 5 to get one.

Anyways, thanks a lot Wuster for the link of the code! Worked for me.
Desire.Discipline.Dedication
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
December 12 2013 23:09 GMT
#674
Pretty sure the small pack WC drop rates are bugged right now. I got around a dozen pre-5T from various achievements and never got a WC from them.

But if you got the gold and the drop rate is still 30-40% then by all means, that's the best WC return on your gold.
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 02:24:53
December 12 2013 23:47 GMT
#675
Ugh, it's so annoying when I lose because of a card I didn't know existed, and then when I try to check what the card is, the match is already over and I can't see what card it is that killed me.

Also, the creatures that have "When X is played onto the battlefield or attacks, do Y" and have a bunch of heath are so strong.


I seem to be peaking at around ~1000 elo on my Xiph rush deck. I wonder if I should start planning my next deck soon. I'm still making blunders because of simple misplay/ignorance, but I think this deck will cap at maybe 1200 elo even if I get better at playing. Some of my mistakes are pretty obvious though, it's not just hindsight 20/20. But others are because there was some card i'd never seen or mechanic I didn't understand.

Is there a list of all the cards with quick attack/that give quick attack? I remember one time someone used a card that copied a minion that I just played, and then attacked with it like it had quick attack, even though the copied minion just appeared and the original minion hadn't gotten around to the next turn yet.

Another question: do swiss games give you regular gold and xp as well as chances to win packs?
NapkinBox
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States314 Posts
December 13 2013 07:22 GMT
#676
On December 13 2013 08:47 jrkirby wrote:
Ugh, it's so annoying when I lose because of a card I didn't know existed, and then when I try to check what the card is, the match is already over and I can't see what card it is that killed me.


As far as I know, there is no such things as "Trap Cards" so I can not see how you can lose and blame it on a card you saw for the first time.
"Who has the best durability feat in all of comic book superheroes?" "Aquaman surviving pop culture."
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10829 Posts
December 13 2013 07:51 GMT
#677
You totally can if your fresh :p.

Is there a list of all the cards with quick attack/that give quick attack? I remember one time someone used a card that copied a minion that I just played, and then attacked with it like it had quick attack, even though the copied minion just appeared and the original minion hadn't gotten around to the next turn yet.


That was Shadowclone.
It makes a copy which has quickattack for the turn you played shadowclone and instantly dies if damaged.


jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
December 13 2013 15:14 GMT
#678
Is there an easy way for me to get a list of the cards in my deck as text or something?
RelZo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hungary397 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 19:10:21
December 13 2013 19:10 GMT
#679
On December 13 2013 16:51 Velr wrote:
You totally can if your fresh :p.

Show nested quote +
Is there a list of all the cards with quick attack/that give quick attack? I remember one time someone used a card that copied a minion that I just played, and then attacked with it like it had quick attack, even though the copied minion just appeared and the original minion hadn't gotten around to the next turn yet.


That was Shadowclone.
It makes a copy which has quickattack for the turn you played shadowclone and instantly dies if damaged.



You mean Shadow Image?
a choboling
RelZo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hungary397 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-13 19:17:44
December 13 2013 19:17 GMT
#680
On December 13 2013 08:47 jrkirby wrote:
Ugh, it's so annoying when I lose because of a card I didn't know existed, and then when I try to check what the card is, the match is already over and I can't see what card it is that killed me.

Also, the creatures that have "When X is played onto the battlefield or attacks, do Y" and have a bunch of heath are so strong.


I seem to be peaking at around ~1000 elo on my Xiph rush deck. I wonder if I should start planning my next deck soon. I'm still making blunders because of simple misplay/ignorance, but I think this deck will cap at maybe 1200 elo even if I get better at playing. Some of my mistakes are pretty obvious though, it's not just hindsight 20/20. But others are because there was some card i'd never seen or mechanic I didn't understand.

Is there a list of all the cards with quick attack/that give quick attack? I remember one time someone used a card that copied a minion that I just played, and then attacked with it like it had quick attack, even though the copied minion just appeared and the original minion hadn't gotten around to the next turn yet.

Another question: do swiss games give you regular gold and xp as well as chances to win packs?

You can watch the replays of your games; here's a quick guide on how to do it.
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