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Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 04:53:49
November 05 2012 02:36 GMT
#281
I figured it would be something like that. Super Metroid(was typing from phone so it fucked it up) looked interesting. Is that one ok to run on emulator? I noticed some games aren't emulator approved.
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 05 2012 04:29 GMT
#282
If you wanna start running Super Metroid, I could be of some assistance. I used to be pretty decent at it. :D
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
November 05 2012 04:55 GMT
#283
On November 05 2012 13:29 Holgerius wrote:
If you wanna start running Super Metroid, I could be of some assistance. I used to be pretty decent at it. :D


That would be cool. I'm gonna look into the Super NES controller to USB port for my computer so I can start playing on an emulator. I already have an emulator so I'm sure I can prob play it on that. Prob won't be for a week or so, I need to wait until payday.
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 07:13:40
November 05 2012 07:13 GMT
#284
Four more levels of Mark of the Ninja New Game + planning down.

+ Show Spoiler +







Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
November 05 2012 07:43 GMT
#285
On November 05 2012 11:36 Xinder wrote:
I figured it would be something like that. Super Metroid(was typing from phone so it fucked it up) looked interesting. Is that one ok to run on emulator? I noticed some games aren't emulator approved.


As far as racing games go you are fine with an emulator as long as you stream it. Just don't be expecting to win any once you start racing people playing on a console who know what they are doing since emulators are generally slower. This is pretty much the case for any ps1/ps2 games since you can't emulate the faster disc speeds (Laughably its still better than running a PAL version of a game but only just) .

The only time emulators are frowned upon is if you want to submit a speed run to SDA in which case you have to use an intended platform or an official emulator (Wii's virtual console or PSX) but I'm not sure you should be bothered by that yet.
Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2674 Posts
November 05 2012 10:49 GMT
#286
On November 05 2012 06:56 Xinder wrote:
After watching the SMW Marathon I think I'd like to look into speed running a little more. Is there a recommended game to start with for newcomers? Or is it just pick a game that you think you'd like to play and start learning how to speed run it?


I posted about this in the FAQ in the OP. Have copied the text here:
+ Show Spoiler +

How do I start?
It’s simple, just pick up any game you like and play through it with speed in mind. If you can finish it and want to play through again, just repeat. If not, try another game. Once you’ve done that, search the web for videos or routes for the game and try and copy them. Now it may take a while before you can pick out optimisations or start making routes comparable to the established runners but that’s just natural. I personally was an absolute mess when it came to planning routes, but now I can pick them out and learn quite easily. It just takes practice.

There’s a miss-comprehension that to be a speedrunner you have to be the best in the world at your game, which isn’t true. It doesn’t matter if it takes you 5 hours to beat Super Mario World (10:29.xx is current best time), everyone has to start somewhere. As long as you’re having fun, you can run a game. For most people, getting a competitive time is a bonus to the process. Think of it like competing against yourself.

A great way to build on this is to start racing the game with other people and learn more that way. It doesn’t matter if you lose by miles and other runners are usually very keen to help out. I would gladly teach anyone everything I know about the games I run. It’s very important to bear in mind that your run doesn’t have to be good. Improvements will come with time and if they don’t, who cares? The speedrun community is very relaxed and is all about enjoying games. There’s no secret to it, just join in and have fun.

What if I don’t want to/can’t play?
Then go watch streams or videos! There are a lot of people in the speedrun community who don’t speedrun anything. They like to watch runs and just hang out in streams and whatnot. You don’t have to run a game to be a part of the community at all. Head to the SRL streams page or w00ty and just find someone to watch. If not, why not toy around with game and help out the runners? Just share what you know and contribute. No hard work required.

How do I pick a game?
This is one question I get asked a whole lot and there’s a few answers which should cover all bases:

1. Pick your favourite game – Simple really, if you love a game you’re more likely to play through it a lot. If you already know a lot about it, it will make the process a lot easier.
2. Pick a popular game – If there’s a lot of people running the game, odds are there’s a lot of documentation out there with everything explained. This means you won’t have to mess around with route planning and you can just dive in.
3. Let the game choose you – I spent years trying to find a game I wanted to run through. I kept trying this and that until eventually, I just found myself running Bayonetta. It was something I didn’t plan, it just happened.
4. Pick a game that destroyed you as a child – Another common one. I know a lot of guys who only run these games that they barely finished as a kid. It’s a nice sort of revenge on the title I suppose.
5. Pick a game you like to watch – If you find yourself watching a game you own on streams all the time, pick it up and join in.
6. Play the odds – Play every game until you find one you like. This has a high-burnout rate.

This is a good time to remind you that you should initially run just for fun or to race. Starting off with the goal to submit to SDA will most likely result in you not finishing your run and just burning out on the whole scene or finishing a product you’re no-where near happy with. While SDA is not a super-serious community, the standards are very high now. You can set a goal to get a run up on SDA or beat an old time, but I wouldn’t suggest diving right in to it.


If you really just want any old game to speedrun or race, Super Mario World any% and Link to the Past Master Sword races are easy to do and will have a lot of people torace today.
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lilwisper
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2515 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 19:43:52
November 05 2012 19:42 GMT
#287
On November 05 2012 16:13 Raelcun wrote:
Four more levels of Mark of the Ninja New Game + planning down.

+ Show Spoiler +

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX8VeWk8Rco

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F5UmuueRII

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7LlWqkEwgQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HL1U5KeMcs



All of your speedruns of MotN are sick, especially the one with the pickpocket skip. I was wondering, should it be a rule that one has to go totally undetected in a speedrun, since it deals with ninja stealth and all? I know it might slow some things up, but maybe that extra level of challenge might be fun to plan for?
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 05 2012 21:29 GMT
#288
On November 05 2012 13:55 Xinder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 13:29 Holgerius wrote:
If you wanna start running Super Metroid, I could be of some assistance. I used to be pretty decent at it. :D


That would be cool. I'm gonna look into the Super NES controller to USB port for my computer so I can start playing on an emulator. I already have an emulator so I'm sure I can prob play it on that. Prob won't be for a week or so, I need to wait until payday.

How initiated are you in Super Metroid speedrunning already? Do you know the basic routes and stuff for Any%/100% (or whatever you might be interested in learning)?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-05 23:04:06
November 05 2012 23:03 GMT
#289
Two more levels of Mark of the Ninja routing done. Two more glitches found. Both are in Level 9 though. In level 9 you can reset a checkpoint and cause some normally moving lasers to become stationary, allowing you to skip some time consuming bull of opening up a hatch and flipping a lever so you can ride the box up.

Second glitch is a minor glitch that allows you to quickslide towards Karajan instead of the cinematic slow walk.

+ Show Spoiler [videos] +

Level 9 5:00 on New Game + (includes the dojo scene)


Level 10 3:13 on New Game +


10/13 levels done.
Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-07 00:03:28
November 05 2012 23:49 GMT
#290
On November 06 2012 06:29 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2012 13:55 Xinder wrote:
On November 05 2012 13:29 Holgerius wrote:
If you wanna start running Super Metroid, I could be of some assistance. I used to be pretty decent at it. :D


That would be cool. I'm gonna look into the Super NES controller to USB port for my computer so I can start playing on an emulator. I already have an emulator so I'm sure I can prob play it on that. Prob won't be for a week or so, I need to wait until payday.

How initiated are you in Super Metroid speedrunning already? Do you know the basic routes and stuff for Any%/100% (or whatever you might be interested in learning)?


Not at all initiated on it lol. Saw the race over the weekend and it looked interesting. Plus I never had an SNES as a kid, first system was an N64, so I thought it'd be fun to learn. I dunno still. I don't own the consoles and dunno what those run. That's why I was going to do an emulator first. Figure find a game I have fun with on an emulator then go about getting the actual console if i end up serious about it in 6 months to a year.
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9179 Posts
November 06 2012 05:00 GMT
#291
currently watching SMW bonus, and somehow they are playing mario party 64 on an emulator over the internet? how does this work?
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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
November 06 2012 18:40 GMT
#292
On November 06 2012 08:49 Xinder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 06:29 Holgerius wrote:
On November 05 2012 13:55 Xinder wrote:
On November 05 2012 13:29 Holgerius wrote:
If you wanna start running Super Metroid, I could be of some assistance. I used to be pretty decent at it. :D


That would be cool. I'm gonna look into the Super NES controller to USB port for my computer so I can start playing on an emulator. I already have an emulator so I'm sure I can prob play it on that. Prob won't be for a week or so, I need to wait until payday.

How initiated are you in Super Metroid speedrunning already? Do you know the basic routes and stuff for Any%/100% (or whatever you might be interested in learning)?


Not at all initiated on it lol. Saw the race over the weekend and it looked interesting. Plus I never had an SNES as a kid, first system was an N64, so I thought it'd be fun to learn. I dunno still. I don't own the consoles and dunno what those run. That's why I was going to do an emulator first. Figure find a game I have fun with on an emulator then go about getting the actual console if i end up series about it in 6 months to a year.


If you haven't played it, it's a great game to play regardless of speedrunning intent. Probably my favourite game of all time.

Best I've done on it is 1:10 any% which seems ok on a keyboard where my mapping makes it close to impossible to mockball and I can't shinespark if I'm running right to charge
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2674 Posts
November 06 2012 18:51 GMT
#293
Well I know there are two episodes of The Sunday Sequence Break about Super Metroid. One for any% and one for 100%.

They explain a lot of the tricks and the general thought process there and should tell you where to go to find out more. The Super Metroid community is very passionate and I know they'd be very glad to help out.

Also Funkdoc was pimping Aylear's stream in front of 500 viewers.
Liquipedia"I was seriously looking for a black guy" - MrHoon
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 06 2012 21:39 GMT
#294
On November 06 2012 08:49 Xinder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 06:29 Holgerius wrote:
On November 05 2012 13:55 Xinder wrote:
On November 05 2012 13:29 Holgerius wrote:
If you wanna start running Super Metroid, I could be of some assistance. I used to be pretty decent at it. :D


That would be cool. I'm gonna look into the Super NES controller to USB port for my computer so I can start playing on an emulator. I already have an emulator so I'm sure I can prob play it on that. Prob won't be for a week or so, I need to wait until payday.

How initiated are you in Super Metroid speedrunning already? Do you know the basic routes and stuff for Any%/100% (or whatever you might be interested in learning)?


Not at all initiated on it lol. Saw the race over the weekend and it looked interesting. Plus I never had an SNES as a kid, first system was an N64, so I thought it'd be fun to learn. I dunno still. I don't own the consoles and dunno what those run. That's why I was going to do an emulator first. Figure find a game I have fun with on an emulator then go about getting the actual console if i end up series about it in 6 months to a year.

You should go ahead and play through the game normally before you do anything else (if you've never played it). Truly one of the greatest games of all time, a true masterpiece.

On November 07 2012 03:40 sixfour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2012 08:49 Xinder wrote:
On November 06 2012 06:29 Holgerius wrote:
On November 05 2012 13:55 Xinder wrote:
On November 05 2012 13:29 Holgerius wrote:
If you wanna start running Super Metroid, I could be of some assistance. I used to be pretty decent at it. :D


That would be cool. I'm gonna look into the Super NES controller to USB port for my computer so I can start playing on an emulator. I already have an emulator so I'm sure I can prob play it on that. Prob won't be for a week or so, I need to wait until payday.

How initiated are you in Super Metroid speedrunning already? Do you know the basic routes and stuff for Any%/100% (or whatever you might be interested in learning)?


Not at all initiated on it lol. Saw the race over the weekend and it looked interesting. Plus I never had an SNES as a kid, first system was an N64, so I thought it'd be fun to learn. I dunno still. I don't own the consoles and dunno what those run. That's why I was going to do an emulator first. Figure find a game I have fun with on an emulator then go about getting the actual console if i end up series about it in 6 months to a year.

If you haven't played it, it's a great game to play regardless of speedrunning intent. Probably my favourite game of all time.

Best I've done on it is 1:10 any% which seems ok on a keyboard where my mapping makes it close to impossible to mockball and I can't shinespark if I'm running right to charge

Is that a 1:10 game time or real time? My best is a low 0:40 game time, which is quite decent.

Anyone into SM should subscribe to Garrison's channel asap (http://www.twitch.tv/garrison_tt), a badass who is playing on a world record level. :D And there are several other amazing SM runners over at Speedrunslive besides him (Dbx, MSDS).
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 22:40:15
November 06 2012 22:38 GMT
#295
I have officially finished the planning of the Mark of the Ninja speedrun.

Interestingly enough on the second to last level I managed to wind up out of bounds. I need to investigate this further to see if it is reproduceable, or even useful anywhere.



Level 11 is probably the dumbest level to speedrun I have ever seen. Quite literally there are checkpoints every 5 feet. This is because this is the level that introduces both the hardest enemy in the game and the teleport mechanic on your first playthrough. Teleport strats save a lot of time, and because of the plethora of checkpoints, you can literally just load checkpoints to reset the teleport cooldown as needed.

I have refined the route down to four checkpoint resets, with a fifth one if I mess up a specific jump. The amount of time saved doing this is around 25 seconds depending on if I derp in the menus or not.



And the final level + the final cutscene "level." The final actual level is just plain annoying, it takes about five minutes can probably shave it down a little more with some good play.

Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 22:54:23
November 06 2012 22:54 GMT
#296
On November 07 2012 07:38 Raelcun wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I have officially finished the planning of the Mark of the Ninja speedrun.

Interestingly enough on the second to last level I managed to wind up out of bounds. I need to investigate this further to see if it is reproduceable, or even useful anywhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0d84rXHNK8

Level 11 is probably the dumbest level to speedrun I have ever seen. Quite literally there are checkpoints every 5 feet. This is because this is the level that introduces both the hardest enemy in the game and the teleport mechanic on your first playthrough. Teleport strats save a lot of time, and because of the plethora of checkpoints, you can literally just load checkpoints to reset the teleport cooldown as needed.

I have refined the route down to four checkpoint resets, with a fifth one if I mess up a specific jump. The amount of time saved doing this is around 25 seconds depending on if I derp in the menus or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALlZT7pXjqw

And the final level + the final cutscene "level." The final actual level is just plain annoying, it takes about five minutes can probably shave it down a little more with some good play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vs79mYAbBU


Congrats on the finally planning stages and proving once again that the beautiful marriage of teleportation and out of bounds still exists

Level 11 looks awkward and weird (Although I'm not used to resetting for advantages) I hope it doesn't screw you too much in full game runs
Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
November 07 2012 00:01 GMT
#297
On November 07 2012 03:51 Flicky wrote:
Well I know there are two episodes of The Sunday Sequence Break about Super Metroid. One for any% and one for 100%.

They explain a lot of the tricks and the general thought process there and should tell you where to go to find out more. The Super Metroid community is very passionate and I know they'd be very glad to help out.

Also Funkdoc was pimping Aylear's stream in front of 500 viewers.


I'll check them out. I saw the paper mario run from the Monday bonus stream and that looked pretty fun too. I remember playing paper mario back in the day and it was neat to see the ways people abused different badges and stuff. Btw thanks for all the replies everyone helping me out.
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-07 03:58:23
November 07 2012 03:39 GMT
#298
I technically just set the world record for Mark of the Ninja New Game + by virtue of being the first one to do it. I managed to finish in 48:35 with quite a few mistakes, but that is still nearly 5 minutes faster than the time of the guy running Normal mode. So yeah, records and stuff. I'll try and improve it in a bit, going to focus back on the starcraft run for a while.

Ablaij
Profile Joined June 2011
United States74 Posts
November 08 2012 03:04 GMT
#299
Cosmo just retook the Commander Keen IV WR with a time of 10:38. That game has so little room for error.
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-08 03:05:34
November 08 2012 03:05 GMT
#300
Oh yeah I forgot that I wanted to download Mark of the Ninja, game looks great.

Cosmo just got the Keen 4 WR. 10:38.69. Sub 10:30 is possible apparently.

lulz ninja
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