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On May 11 2013 06:49 Chocolate wrote:
I refuse to buy this game if they only release a very small amount of factions along with a bunch of DLC factions. Complete and utter bull. DLCs should be things like unit expansions, map expansions, or other important changes (like a different battle screen), not things that should come with the game on the first day and which can't even take that long to create.
At the very list, if they're going to do the DLC scam they should release the vanilla game for free.
no idea why you are angry about those three greek cities being DLC. You can play Macedonia which is another greek kingdom and I bet those three city states will just play the same. There might be some differences in the style of rulership between them but the units are the same.
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Just going to wait for the Europa Barbarum style mod to make this more fun than the Vanila will be. Unless the CA guys lock out all mods, then Ill just skip it until its 5-10 bucks on a steam sale.
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I agree, I goddamned despise SEGA and their DLC deals. It's complete utter rubbish. All factions used to be unlockable from the start and there can be no other conceivable reason other than pure greed from SEGA to not allow us to play them all.
Fucking bandits, but the sick amount of hours I spent on each Total war titles just forces me to swallow it anyway... 
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
no idea why you are angry about those three greek cities being DLC. You can play Macedonia which is another greek kingdom and I bet those three city states will just play the same. There might be some differences in the style of rulership between them but the units are the same.
macedonian 'hammer and anvil' tactics required phalangitai armed with the sarissa (the long pike) + an elite cavalry arm, neither of which the chremonidean league (the anti-macedon sparta / athens alliance) fielded in great numbers
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On May 11 2013 06:58 Skilledblob wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 06:49 Chocolate wrote:
I refuse to buy this game if they only release a very small amount of factions along with a bunch of DLC factions. Complete and utter bull. DLCs should be things like unit expansions, map expansions, or other important changes (like a different battle screen), not things that should come with the game on the first day and which can't even take that long to create.
At the very list, if they're going to do the DLC scam they should release the vanilla game for free. no idea why you are angry about those three greek cities being DLC. You can play Macedonia which is another greek kingdom and I bet those three city states will just play the same. There might be some differences in the style of rulership between them but the units are the same.
You have no idea? No idea at all? I mean, they've never done anything like this with Total War and you have NO idea?!
Especially for factions so central to the game. I mean, Ikko Ikki...yeah okay don't really need them. But the Greek States o.O jeez, that's something serious to ship the game with that can't be used if you don't spend £15 ($23).
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On May 11 2013 08:21 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 06:58 Skilledblob wrote:On May 11 2013 06:49 Chocolate wrote:
I refuse to buy this game if they only release a very small amount of factions along with a bunch of DLC factions. Complete and utter bull. DLCs should be things like unit expansions, map expansions, or other important changes (like a different battle screen), not things that should come with the game on the first day and which can't even take that long to create.
At the very list, if they're going to do the DLC scam they should release the vanilla game for free. no idea why you are angry about those three greek cities being DLC. You can play Macedonia which is another greek kingdom and I bet those three city states will just play the same. There might be some differences in the style of rulership between them but the units are the same. You have no idea? No idea at all? I mean, they've never done anything like this with Total War and you have NO idea?! Especially for factions so central to the game. I mean, Ikko Ikki...yeah okay don't really need them. But the Greek States o.O jeez, that's something serious to ship the game with that can't be used if you don't spend £15 ($23).
They originally planned on having only the 8 factions. This was locked in development well before they decided to add the Greek States. They're including them as DLC for free because the dev team decided to include them but as an addon so it wouldn't interfere with ship dates, deadlines, etc.
Also, they made a point that regardless of retailer, all preorders would get the preorder bonus and the dlc. Just use the cd-key that your game has to register it on Steam.
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I just hope that this game break the unit clumping in narrow chokes. I hate that so much.
Besides that Total War series is prolly one of the most solid RTS game series by far.
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On May 11 2013 08:36 hpty603 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 08:21 sc4k wrote:On May 11 2013 06:58 Skilledblob wrote:On May 11 2013 06:49 Chocolate wrote:
I refuse to buy this game if they only release a very small amount of factions along with a bunch of DLC factions. Complete and utter bull. DLCs should be things like unit expansions, map expansions, or other important changes (like a different battle screen), not things that should come with the game on the first day and which can't even take that long to create.
At the very list, if they're going to do the DLC scam they should release the vanilla game for free. no idea why you are angry about those three greek cities being DLC. You can play Macedonia which is another greek kingdom and I bet those three city states will just play the same. There might be some differences in the style of rulership between them but the units are the same. You have no idea? No idea at all? I mean, they've never done anything like this with Total War and you have NO idea?! Especially for factions so central to the game. I mean, Ikko Ikki...yeah okay don't really need them. But the Greek States o.O jeez, that's something serious to ship the game with that can't be used if you don't spend £15 ($23). They originally planned on having only the 8 factions. This was locked in development well before they decided to add the Greek States. They're including them as DLC for free because the dev team decided to include them but as an addon so it wouldn't interfere with ship dates, deadlines, etc. Also, they made a point that regardless of retailer, all preorders would get the preorder bonus and the dlc. Just use the cd-key that your game has to register it on Steam.
The DLC does not appear to be free. Noone has a problem with free DLC. But this is some preorder or buy it bullshit apparently. If you release paid DLC at day 0 that is fucking bullshit in my opinion. And this preorder bonus stuff is the exact same thing, because i will never preorder stuff. Basically, with this announcement this game has changed from "buy pretty early" to "buy when the whole game with all DLC as a collection is on sale on steam a year later" for me, because i refuse to buy half a game and let me be milked for other parts of the game afterwards.
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On May 11 2013 08:36 hpty603 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 08:21 sc4k wrote:On May 11 2013 06:58 Skilledblob wrote:On May 11 2013 06:49 Chocolate wrote:
I refuse to buy this game if they only release a very small amount of factions along with a bunch of DLC factions. Complete and utter bull. DLCs should be things like unit expansions, map expansions, or other important changes (like a different battle screen), not things that should come with the game on the first day and which can't even take that long to create.
At the very list, if they're going to do the DLC scam they should release the vanilla game for free. no idea why you are angry about those three greek cities being DLC. You can play Macedonia which is another greek kingdom and I bet those three city states will just play the same. There might be some differences in the style of rulership between them but the units are the same. You have no idea? No idea at all? I mean, they've never done anything like this with Total War and you have NO idea?! Especially for factions so central to the game. I mean, Ikko Ikki...yeah okay don't really need them. But the Greek States o.O jeez, that's something serious to ship the game with that can't be used if you don't spend £15 ($23). They originally planned on having only the 8 factions. This was locked in development well before they decided to add the Greek States. They're including them as DLC for free because the dev team decided to include them but as an addon so it wouldn't interfere with ship dates, deadlines, etc. Also, they made a point that regardless of retailer, all preorders would get the preorder bonus and the dlc. Just use the cd-key that your game has to register it on Steam.
Well I'm flabbergasted they didn't think to include the Greek States from the get-go o.O. I mean come on, they are at the very centre of the action! If anything, a race like Pontus is far less significant in the general scheme of things. Greeks were one of the most enjoyable factions to play in Rome 1.
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On May 11 2013 11:38 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 08:36 hpty603 wrote:On May 11 2013 08:21 sc4k wrote:On May 11 2013 06:58 Skilledblob wrote:On May 11 2013 06:49 Chocolate wrote:
I refuse to buy this game if they only release a very small amount of factions along with a bunch of DLC factions. Complete and utter bull. DLCs should be things like unit expansions, map expansions, or other important changes (like a different battle screen), not things that should come with the game on the first day and which can't even take that long to create.
At the very list, if they're going to do the DLC scam they should release the vanilla game for free. no idea why you are angry about those three greek cities being DLC. You can play Macedonia which is another greek kingdom and I bet those three city states will just play the same. There might be some differences in the style of rulership between them but the units are the same. You have no idea? No idea at all? I mean, they've never done anything like this with Total War and you have NO idea?! Especially for factions so central to the game. I mean, Ikko Ikki...yeah okay don't really need them. But the Greek States o.O jeez, that's something serious to ship the game with that can't be used if you don't spend £15 ($23). They originally planned on having only the 8 factions. This was locked in development well before they decided to add the Greek States. They're including them as DLC for free because the dev team decided to include them but as an addon so it wouldn't interfere with ship dates, deadlines, etc. Also, they made a point that regardless of retailer, all preorders would get the preorder bonus and the dlc. Just use the cd-key that your game has to register it on Steam. Well I'm flabbergasted they didn't think to include the Greek States from the get-go o.O. I mean come on, they are at the very centre of the action! If anything, a race like Pontus is far less significant in the general scheme of things. Greeks were one of the most enjoyable factions to play in Rome 1.
They have Macedonians. Greek City States in original RTW is like 3-5 different factions now, so that faction as you knew it in RTW doesn't exist regardless of whether it is DLC or not.
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On May 11 2013 11:38 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 08:36 hpty603 wrote:On May 11 2013 08:21 sc4k wrote:On May 11 2013 06:58 Skilledblob wrote:On May 11 2013 06:49 Chocolate wrote:
I refuse to buy this game if they only release a very small amount of factions along with a bunch of DLC factions. Complete and utter bull. DLCs should be things like unit expansions, map expansions, or other important changes (like a different battle screen), not things that should come with the game on the first day and which can't even take that long to create.
At the very list, if they're going to do the DLC scam they should release the vanilla game for free. no idea why you are angry about those three greek cities being DLC. You can play Macedonia which is another greek kingdom and I bet those three city states will just play the same. There might be some differences in the style of rulership between them but the units are the same. You have no idea? No idea at all? I mean, they've never done anything like this with Total War and you have NO idea?! Especially for factions so central to the game. I mean, Ikko Ikki...yeah okay don't really need them. But the Greek States o.O jeez, that's something serious to ship the game with that can't be used if you don't spend £15 ($23). They originally planned on having only the 8 factions. This was locked in development well before they decided to add the Greek States. They're including them as DLC for free because the dev team decided to include them but as an addon so it wouldn't interfere with ship dates, deadlines, etc. Also, they made a point that regardless of retailer, all preorders would get the preorder bonus and the dlc. Just use the cd-key that your game has to register it on Steam. Well I'm flabbergasted they didn't think to include the Greek States from the get-go o.O. I mean come on, they are at the very centre of the action! If anything, a race like Pontus is far less significant in the general scheme of things. Greeks were one of the most enjoyable factions to play in Rome 1.
The thing is, at the period when Rome 2 is starting, the Greek city states weren't 1 unified state. I remember them saying that the provinces that are 'rebels' will have unique points. I'm assuming that they designed the Greek states for the most part but left them unplayable since Macedon was already playable. After everything had been set, they prolly decided to include them. Having the "Greek City States" the way they were in Rome 1 was silly, and while I prefer to not have DLC and pre-order bonuses, I much prefer them this way.
And Pontus was really important during the Romans' expansion into Asia. At one point during the wars they controlled all of Asia Minor, and Mithradates VI (I think) slaughtered 80,000 citizens in the area. After finishing off Macedon, the Greeks really weren't able to put up much of a fight considering how split they were (surprisingly). So as far as a gameplay standpoint, Pontus was a good choice (though I've always been a fan of Pergamon and the Antigonids)
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Mad about DLC but love total war and want to support it?
Pirate the DLC and buy the game.
There, now your doing both.
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On May 11 2013 16:50 Capped wrote:
Mad about DLC but love total war and want to support it?
Pirate the DLC and buy the game.
There, now your doing both.
I wont buy it and write an email to the publisher. People have to vote with their wallet or we will get fucked over and over again.
e:grammar
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True. It's not like there are no other games which you can play. If you buy their product and don't buy the DLC, they still know that there is no loss in just putting in day 1 switch flip DLC. People will still buy their game, and then some of them will buy the DLC. I'd guess that there are quite a few of those "country packs" already prepared which they will then enable over the next few months one by one. Basically, just buy it on sale for a quarter of the price with all the DLC when they are done with that whole charade, this way you get a complete game for a quarter of the price, instead of half the game and then having to buy the other half piece by piece over the next few months for the same amount of money again.
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On May 11 2013 11:38 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 08:36 hpty603 wrote:On May 11 2013 08:21 sc4k wrote:On May 11 2013 06:58 Skilledblob wrote:On May 11 2013 06:49 Chocolate wrote:
I refuse to buy this game if they only release a very small amount of factions along with a bunch of DLC factions. Complete and utter bull. DLCs should be things like unit expansions, map expansions, or other important changes (like a different battle screen), not things that should come with the game on the first day and which can't even take that long to create.
At the very list, if they're going to do the DLC scam they should release the vanilla game for free. no idea why you are angry about those three greek cities being DLC. You can play Macedonia which is another greek kingdom and I bet those three city states will just play the same. There might be some differences in the style of rulership between them but the units are the same. You have no idea? No idea at all? I mean, they've never done anything like this with Total War and you have NO idea?! Especially for factions so central to the game. I mean, Ikko Ikki...yeah okay don't really need them. But the Greek States o.O jeez, that's something serious to ship the game with that can't be used if you don't spend £15 ($23). They originally planned on having only the 8 factions. This was locked in development well before they decided to add the Greek States. They're including them as DLC for free because the dev team decided to include them but as an addon so it wouldn't interfere with ship dates, deadlines, etc. Also, they made a point that regardless of retailer, all preorders would get the preorder bonus and the dlc. Just use the cd-key that your game has to register it on Steam. Well I'm flabbergasted they didn't think to include the Greek States from the get-go o.O. I mean come on, they are at the very centre of the action! If anything, a race like Pontus is far less significant in the general scheme of things. Greeks were one of the most enjoyable factions to play in Rome 1.
the greek city states were a piece of shit when the romans came. They were conquered by Macedon and with the death of Alexander they started infighting again. There was nothing great about the greek city states anymore when the romans appeared.
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On May 11 2013 11:38 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 08:36 hpty603 wrote:On May 11 2013 08:21 sc4k wrote:On May 11 2013 06:58 Skilledblob wrote:On May 11 2013 06:49 Chocolate wrote:
I refuse to buy this game if they only release a very small amount of factions along with a bunch of DLC factions. Complete and utter bull. DLCs should be things like unit expansions, map expansions, or other important changes (like a different battle screen), not things that should come with the game on the first day and which can't even take that long to create.
At the very list, if they're going to do the DLC scam they should release the vanilla game for free. no idea why you are angry about those three greek cities being DLC. You can play Macedonia which is another greek kingdom and I bet those three city states will just play the same. There might be some differences in the style of rulership between them but the units are the same. You have no idea? No idea at all? I mean, they've never done anything like this with Total War and you have NO idea?! Especially for factions so central to the game. I mean, Ikko Ikki...yeah okay don't really need them. But the Greek States o.O jeez, that's something serious to ship the game with that can't be used if you don't spend £15 ($23). They originally planned on having only the 8 factions. This was locked in development well before they decided to add the Greek States. They're including them as DLC for free because the dev team decided to include them but as an addon so it wouldn't interfere with ship dates, deadlines, etc. Also, they made a point that regardless of retailer, all preorders would get the preorder bonus and the dlc. Just use the cd-key that your game has to register it on Steam. Well I'm flabbergasted they didn't think to include the Greek States from the get-go o.O. I mean come on, they are at the very centre of the action! If anything, a race like Pontus is far less significant in the general scheme of things. Greeks were one of the most enjoyable factions to play in Rome 1.
They were conquered by Macedon and with the death of Alexander they started infighting again. There was nothing great about the greek city states anymore when the romans appeared.
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
depends on what the start date of the campaign is -- in 280-270 BC the Roman Republic was busy fighting Pyrrhus of Epirus who controlled quite a bit of territory in southern Italy and Macedon still hadn't conquered the greek city states
if it is 242 BC then yeah, the greek city states were not as politically relevant. its strange that epirus would be a faction though in that case, considering that its only remarkable leader was already dead by that point
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On May 11 2013 17:35 Skilledblob wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 11:38 sc4k wrote:On May 11 2013 08:36 hpty603 wrote:On May 11 2013 08:21 sc4k wrote:On May 11 2013 06:58 Skilledblob wrote:On May 11 2013 06:49 Chocolate wrote:
I refuse to buy this game if they only release a very small amount of factions along with a bunch of DLC factions. Complete and utter bull. DLCs should be things like unit expansions, map expansions, or other important changes (like a different battle screen), not things that should come with the game on the first day and which can't even take that long to create.
At the very list, if they're going to do the DLC scam they should release the vanilla game for free. no idea why you are angry about those three greek cities being DLC. You can play Macedonia which is another greek kingdom and I bet those three city states will just play the same. There might be some differences in the style of rulership between them but the units are the same. You have no idea? No idea at all? I mean, they've never done anything like this with Total War and you have NO idea?! Especially for factions so central to the game. I mean, Ikko Ikki...yeah okay don't really need them. But the Greek States o.O jeez, that's something serious to ship the game with that can't be used if you don't spend £15 ($23). They originally planned on having only the 8 factions. This was locked in development well before they decided to add the Greek States. They're including them as DLC for free because the dev team decided to include them but as an addon so it wouldn't interfere with ship dates, deadlines, etc. Also, they made a point that regardless of retailer, all preorders would get the preorder bonus and the dlc. Just use the cd-key that your game has to register it on Steam. Well I'm flabbergasted they didn't think to include the Greek States from the get-go o.O. I mean come on, they are at the very centre of the action! If anything, a race like Pontus is far less significant in the general scheme of things. Greeks were one of the most enjoyable factions to play in Rome 1. the greek city states were a piece of shit when the romans came. They were conquered by Macedon and with the death of Alexander they started infighting again. There was nothing great about the greek city states anymore when the romans appeared.
While I bow to you guys' knowledge of actual history, I would point out that this is a game where you aren't necessarily playing a role so much as making your side as badass as possible. It would be standard fare in TW to be able to take the Greek States and make them great again rather than let them slide into obscurity. Although I do like the idea of them being split up like the brutii scipii and julii were in Rome 1. In terms of fame, Pontus is still way less known and, I would venture without actually knowing the facts, way less culturally relevant than Greece, at least to the majority of Europeans.
On May 11 2013 17:19 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 16:50 Capped wrote:
Mad about DLC but love total war and want to support it?
Pirate the DLC and buy the game.
There, now your doing both. I wont buy it and write an email to the publisher. People have to vote with their wallet or we will get fucked over and over again. e:grammar
It seems like you can pre order it anywhere and get the 'DLC'. For a £30 pre order from Amazon or even apparently a £25 pre order I read about from Xavvi, there's no reason to be particularly upset. It's just a stupid price point for Steam and GMG and the CA website. I'm kinda shocked, I guess they value the difference between having to wait for a game to be shipped and being able to download it (or even pre download it) at £15!!!!
I actually wonder if it's a method of testing how far customers can be pushed into making online purchases, even when the other options are far more sensible. I did write an email to CA but I suppose an email to the publisher makes more sense.
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On May 11 2013 19:00 sc4k wrote:
While I bow to you guys' knowledge of actual history, I would point out that this is a game where you aren't necessarily playing a role so much as making your side as badass as possible. It would be standard fare in TW to be able to take the Greek States and make them great again rather than let them slide into obscurity. Although I do like the idea of them being split up like the brutii scipii and julii were in Rome 1. In terms of fame, Pontus is still way less known and, I would venture without actually knowing the facts, way less culturally relevant than Greece, at least to the majority of Europeans.
The only reason Pontus isn't as well known to common people is that the heights of the kingdom weren't as lofty as those of the Greeks nor were the cultural/scientific contributions as important to the modern day. To just about any ancient historian, the Mithridatic Wars were a great achievement for the Romans, much more difficult than running over the Greeks and ransacking Corinth. It took three fairly long wars over the course of ~25 years, in one of which the Romans were decisively defeated, before Pontus was annexed.
Also, is it really 30 euro on some sites and 45 on others? Because I can only pre-order it for $60 (~40 euro) :[
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Preordering games is bad. Way too many really crappy piles of shit nowadays to trust any publisher or game developer to buy his game without looking into any coverage beforehand.
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