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Rob28
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada705 Posts
June 13 2012 20:13 GMT
#61
For me it was all about locals and environments, and I find FO 2 and 3 did those best. Sure FO 1 had a few interesting places like Junktown or Necropolis, but they don't hold a candle to places like New Reno or Vault City (FO2), or the DC ruins, that cannibal town whose name I forget, and Rivet City (FO 3). NV had Vegas, sure, but it was more "this place has really turned into a shithole" rather than "holy crap, you maniacs, you blew it up, damn you all to hell!". The towns in NV didn't really wow me.. most places were just camps anyway. As was said before, it's more like a western than a nuclear wasteland straight out of the 50's (and that's the way I likes me Fallout).
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NoxiousNoodles
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom61 Posts
June 13 2012 20:17 GMT
#62
If you had played Fallouts 1 or 2 I would certainly suggest New Vegas as the story ties in with those games for some extent. Fallout 3 to me after those games felt quite isolated in its location from past games. Not taking 1 and 2 into account i would say its a lot closer. Fallout 3 feels more apocalyptic but you spend a huge amount of time in subways. In this case New Vegas would still win for me but only just (just make to to get the mod that lets you play past the ending!
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Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
June 13 2012 20:32 GMT
#63
Fallout 3 was more epic than New Vegas in my opinion.

I didn't enjoy Fallout 1 or 2. The games are too slow paced to be enjoyable.
mcimba42
Profile Joined October 2011
192 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 20:36:51
June 13 2012 20:35 GMT
#64
On June 14 2012 04:42 qotsager wrote:
how does fallout 3 not fit the fallout lore? fallout new vegas maybe.

masterful bait status: success

let me tell you how the meetings for the development of fo3 went, you can trust me on this because i have a cousin who works at bethesda and he told me all about it

bethesdaman enters the office to decide on the story of fo3, my cousin is in there working because he comes from a family of hard working and honest men, unlike bethesdaman who is a douchebag

so bethesdaman is all like "hey guys we're gonna make this fallout game and all, so let's decide on the story, right? alright, so we need the generic grunt enemies that are, like, everywhere, and the player has to kill a ton of them, so they have to be cool and shit. so i was looking at some fallout stuff for the first time last night and i thought that the super mutant guys would fit pretty well"

at this point my cousin, who is very smart and also a honest and hard working man told him "but bethesdaman, the super mutants came from the mariposa military base in the west coast, and when the vault dweller destroyed the base, no more mutants could be created, and they are also sterile, so the once unstoppable mutants are now a very small group that's left over from the era of fo1. they are nowhere near enough to pose any sort of threat"

but bethesdaman, while doing some poorly performed pelvic thrusts, just said "balls to that, mutants look rad as hell, can't have fallout without the mutants. let's just make some random vault in the middle of fuck all, and let's say that it has been churning out mutants for a few years, presumably from it's cheap, uncreative asshole."

"now that that's dealth with", said bethesdaman, "we need the really bad guys that show up later in the game and are like the most evil and shit. hey, fallout 2 had a really rude dude called the enclave, right?"

"it was a whole faction, bethesdaman" said my cousin, who was a honest and hard working man

"even better, let's straight up copy+paste that guy from fo2. not just the faction, copy their whole motivation, their goal, and their plan. make them show up with exactly the same mission they had in fo2. no one will ever complain about the game not being faithful to its roots! right, so now we need the good guys. like, the saviors of the wasteland and all. these brotherhood of steel fellows look like they were just made for the job, eh?"

my cousin, who was working very hard and also very honestly tried to explain: "but bethesdaman, the brotherhood of steel isn't even "good". they are a group of close minded, xenophobic fanatics who believe that no one but them should have access to technology. they are not saviors of the wasteland at all"

but bethesdaman just laughed it off and said "dafuq are you talking about man, they are like paladins of justice or some shit, they're the good guys. i also heard somewhere that fallout is known for its dark humor, so let's get some obnoxiously autistic chick and blow up her face with an atomic bomb. quality humor right there, ain't that right?"

"yes bethesdaman you are da police pls remove your scrotum from my face
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
June 13 2012 20:40 GMT
#65
^lol

Bethesda man must be related to Chris Metzen.

"Game with an indepth beloved story line and lore? Fuck it all! We need some flashy cutscene clips for the promos, so we'll just build a game around those and shit all over the thing people loved!"
I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly's a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.
mastergriggy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1312 Posts
June 13 2012 20:43 GMT
#66
Um 2. End of discussion.
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Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 20:59:38
June 13 2012 20:59 GMT
#67
2

EDIT: But rly. 3 was great and shit, and I loved it at the time. I still do. But NV came out and basically did everything better.
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
June 13 2012 21:09 GMT
#68
Fallout 3 > New Vegas...I liked the style better in fallout three, felt more...post apocalypse than New Vegas did. Plus I live in the DC area and it's very accurate, so it was kinda cool to go to places I know and see them all bombed out and crumbled. :p
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beef42
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Denmark1037 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 21:27:33
June 13 2012 21:22 GMT
#69
My main issue with the Bethesda Fallouts was that their rendition of the world wasn't grimdark and depressing enough. Fallout 1 and 2 had prostitutes, organized crime, police states, slavery, racism, drug abuse, Scientology, child murder and what's worse. The world is supposed to be about a broken US full of selfish assholes stepping all over everyone else. I didn't get that feeling at all from the Bethesda games.

The Bethesda games honestly felt like their standard fantasy fare with a new post-apocalyptic skin.
Greggle
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1131 Posts
June 13 2012 21:26 GMT
#70
On June 14 2012 00:09 MentalGNT wrote:
I'd say Vegas is the best. It improves upon those aspects that I found Fallout 3 to be weakest in. The faction system is pretty good, and the follower system is much better than in Fallout 3 as well.

Also, hardcore mode is awesome. If you don't know what it is, it basically makes the game much more realistic. Ammo has weight and you need food, water and sleep to survive.


I'm surprised there was such a positive reception to hardcore mode. There's so much more food and water in the game than you could possibly ever use, there's never any danger of starvation, and iirc you could go hours of real time without sleep. Ammo weight was simply an annoyance more than anything. You could still carry more ammo than you could ever need, just not for the guns you'll never use.

Personally I didn't like either that much, but New Vegas was at least slightly better. VATS with Grim Reapers Sprint no longer destroys armies while invulnerable, so that's nice. Also there's more than the meager handful of quests in 3, and less useless perks (though maybe that's because they cut perks to only every other level). I don't know, the nicest things I can say about either game are pretty lukewarm.
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mcimba42
Profile Joined October 2011
192 Posts
June 13 2012 22:00 GMT
#71
On June 14 2012 06:22 beef42 wrote:
My main issue with the Bethesda Fallouts was that their rendition of the world wasn't grimdark and depressing enough. Fallout 1 and 2 had prostitutes, organized crime, police states, slavery, racism, drug abuse, Scientology, child murder and what's worse. The world is supposed to be about a broken US full of selfish assholes stepping all over everyone else. I didn't get that feeling at all from the Bethesda games.

The Bethesda games honestly felt like their standard fantasy fare with a new post-apocalyptic skin.

this post is severely confusing on various levels

first, there was only one fallout game developed by bethesda.

second, the original fallout games were goofy as fuck. people complain about fo2 not being serious enough all the time, and even 1 had stuff like herbert and harry. also, protitution, organized crime, slavery, racism and drug abuse are all present in both fo3 and nv. i have no idea how you didn't get that feeling from the "bethesda games"
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
June 13 2012 23:37 GMT
#72
On June 14 2012 06:09 Torenhire wrote:
Fallout 3 > New Vegas...I liked the style better in fallout three, felt more...post apocalypse than New Vegas did. Plus I live in the DC area and it's very accurate, so it was kinda cool to go to places I know and see them all bombed out and crumbled. :p


I feel like the only people who can enjoy Fallout 3's atmosphere are people who know nothing about Fallout's lore. And I mean absolutely fucking nothing.

It's been like 250 years since the bombs dropped. People on the West Coast have railroads and are already starting farms and beginning to enter a new industrial period. Why in the actual fuck does the East Coast look like it was nuked 5 days ago in Fallout 3?
mcimba42
Profile Joined October 2011
192 Posts
June 14 2012 00:06 GMT
#73
On June 14 2012 08:37 Candadar wrote:
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On June 14 2012 06:09 Torenhire wrote:
Fallout 3 > New Vegas...I liked the style better in fallout three, felt more...post apocalypse than New Vegas did. Plus I live in the DC area and it's very accurate, so it was kinda cool to go to places I know and see them all bombed out and crumbled. :p


I feel like the only people who can enjoy Fallout 3's atmosphere are people who know nothing about Fallout's lore. And I mean absolutely fucking nothing.

It's been like 250 years since the bombs dropped. People on the West Coast have railroads and are already starting farms and beginning to enter a new industrial period. Why in the actual fuck does the East Coast look like it was nuked 5 days ago in Fallout 3?

because fallout is about da nukes man

never mind the fact that fo2 had a city with gardens and lush vegetation and very few actual mutants, fallout is all about da wasteland and da mutants and da green tinted filter
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
June 14 2012 00:07 GMT
#74
and also the brotherhood of steel who are good now for some reason
mcimba42
Profile Joined October 2011
192 Posts
June 14 2012 00:09 GMT
#75
blame bethesdaman
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
June 14 2012 00:14 GMT
#76
Fallout 3 tries way too hard. It's basically like, "weee, look at me, I'm all gollygee dooda optimistic while being so FUCKING EDGY." Aside from that, it's funny how FO3 is set in the east coast to avoid any plot issues with FO1 and 2, and yet the BOS and Enclave somehow have massive armies and many fortified establishments after just a few decades. I almost forgot to mention the legions of super mutants that somehow still exist.

New Vegas did a really good job at exploring politics and human nature. The writing is also much better than Fallout 3's. Imo, writing has never been Bethesda's strong suit.
MattyClutch
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States711 Posts
June 14 2012 00:14 GMT
#77
On June 14 2012 00:19 MentalGNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 00:11 Rob28 wrote:
Fallout three feels much more "apocalypse-y" than Vegas. And Fallout is all about surviving in the aftermath of the apocalypse (it is called Fallout after all). Vegas to me feels like a really big expansion for Fallout3, rather than it's own game. Plus seeing the capitol building and washington monuments in crumbled ruin is just way more awe inspiring and heavy-hitting than still-standing casinos and a perfectly intact Hoover dam.

You should play Fallout 2 though. Yes, the graphics and 2D gameplay will be obsolete, but the characters, story, choices and environment are so immersive and interesting, on a level I've never seen in videogames before or after it came out. Plus, you can become a pornstar in a videogame, and who wouldn't want to, really?

I have Fallout 1 and 2 lying around somewhere, but I have never managed to play them really. They are so filled with bugs that I could barely manage 10 minutes of playtime before the game crashed T_T

I guess it has something to do with Windows 7.


Try installing the DOS modes in DOSBox. Generally games from that era actually work better than many many games that came after simply because there is a DOS option. At least that has been my experience. The games are still quite good even if they haven't aged incredibly well.
Nihn'kas Neehn
djWHEAT
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States925 Posts
June 14 2012 00:18 GMT
#78
The answer is "Wastelands"
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MattyClutch
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States711 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 00:22:25
June 14 2012 00:20 GMT
#79
On June 14 2012 09:18 djWHEAT wrote:
The answer is "Wastelands"



I tried to get into that game so many times. Never could. I can get into some pretty old games, but that one is too much for me. Though I am sure your reply to this (assuming you would grace me with one) would be to suck it up. Much like when I try to get people into something like Planescape Torment. 'Too old what do you mean it is too old? It rocks!'

EDIT: Also enjoy.
Nihn'kas Neehn
mcimba42
Profile Joined October 2011
192 Posts
June 14 2012 00:23 GMT
#80
On June 14 2012 09:18 djWHEAT wrote:
The answer is "Wastelands"

its wasteland
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