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mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
January 13 2013 22:35 GMT
#2141
How are people comparing DS combat to Skyrim's?.. They are like universes apart.
ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-13 23:22:32
January 13 2013 23:17 GMT
#2142
I made some PvP videos awhile back, faith/dex and a int/dex. Recently was trying to make some more PvP videos with my new pure tri-mage but hard to find decent opponents.




+ Show Spoiler +

First upload of each build






ehhhh I'm gonna have to start playing again, really want to show off the tri-mage

edit: man i fucking love the music
OjKa OjKa OjKa!
Rainofpain
Profile Joined December 2010
United States125 Posts
January 14 2013 01:19 GMT
#2143
First fight in the Faith Bow/Rapier #2, you used WotG then walked away. Why did you walk away? You had the fight auto won if you had WoG`d twice more.
It`s hard to read bad players because they`re bad - Idra
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
January 14 2013 02:22 GMT
#2144
On January 14 2013 04:23 sc4k wrote:
i put it at str end dex vit at all 20. What should I upgrade next? I've got my black knight sword + 3 and im wearing stone armour helm and some random red skirt with havel's ring. I have pyromancy at +12.


I'd say you should upgrade the black knight sword to +5 since it's such a good weapon, then a bit more vit if you feel you need it, then end to 40 to wear good armor(upgrade it!), then finish vit. Finally flame and str(whichever damage you want first).

Upgrading equipment is far, far, far more important than levels. A few more levels in vit/end will help though so you can wear heavier armor.

On January 14 2013 02:18 Nos- wrote:
I think I got myself into Anor Londo a bit too early, I'm around 45 SL and the boss is a huge pain in the ass. I also aimed for Greatsword of Artorias as my weapon of choice without realizing the huge stat requirements for using it (and having to kill Sif lol). Not sure what I should do now, I'm grinding on the Silver Knights to level up my stats a bit more, but I'm thinking of maybe getting Quelaag's Furysword to help my damage output at the moment and get Greatsword of Artorias later, cause I'm still using the lightning spear from Sen's Fortress and that's not doing a whole lot for me.


Your level is ok(though grinding a bit won't hurt), what you need is to upgrade your equipment(though lightning spear will suck against Ornstein). The boss of Anor Londo is a pain no matter what you do, just because there's two of them to fight. The furysword might help a bit, but it's a weapon that takes some getting used to. Or you could use dung pies to toxic them and then just dodge until they die The Greatsword of Artorias is really not that good of a weapon though. I would not recommend it for almost any character. There's plenty of other greatswords to use, Artorias' only gets good if you are maxing levels on that character, max is 700+, though you could max str/dex/int/faith to use it sooner, but it's not great below lvl 300, and almost no one actually plays that far.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
January 14 2013 02:31 GMT
#2145
On January 14 2013 10:19 Rainofpain wrote:
First fight in the Faith Bow/Rapier #2, you used WotG then walked away. Why did you walk away? You had the fight auto won if you had WoG`d twice more.

Unwritten rule in honorable PvP. No WoG spam.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
January 14 2013 03:54 GMT
#2146
On January 14 2013 11:22 Fyrewolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 04:23 sc4k wrote:
i put it at str end dex vit at all 20. What should I upgrade next? I've got my black knight sword + 3 and im wearing stone armour helm and some random red skirt with havel's ring. I have pyromancy at +12.


I'd say you should upgrade the black knight sword to +5 since it's such a good weapon, then a bit more vit if you feel you need it, then end to 40 to wear good armor(upgrade it!), then finish vit. Finally flame and str(whichever damage you want first).

Upgrading equipment is far, far, far more important than levels. A few more levels in vit/end will help though so you can wear heavier armor.

Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 02:18 Nos- wrote:
I think I got myself into Anor Londo a bit too early, I'm around 45 SL and the boss is a huge pain in the ass. I also aimed for Greatsword of Artorias as my weapon of choice without realizing the huge stat requirements for using it (and having to kill Sif lol). Not sure what I should do now, I'm grinding on the Silver Knights to level up my stats a bit more, but I'm thinking of maybe getting Quelaag's Furysword to help my damage output at the moment and get Greatsword of Artorias later, cause I'm still using the lightning spear from Sen's Fortress and that's not doing a whole lot for me.


Your level is ok(though grinding a bit won't hurt), what you need is to upgrade your equipment(though lightning spear will suck against Ornstein). The boss of Anor Londo is a pain no matter what you do, just because there's two of them to fight. The furysword might help a bit, but it's a weapon that takes some getting used to. Or you could use dung pies to toxic them and then just dodge until they die The Greatsword of Artorias is really not that good of a weapon though. I would not recommend it for almost any character. There's plenty of other greatswords to use, Artorias' only gets good if you are maxing levels on that character, max is 700+, though you could max str/dex/int/faith to use it sooner, but it's not great below lvl 300, and almost no one actually plays that far.

God damn it I just spent like 4 hours running out of Anor Londo, dying at Sif like 15 times before getting his soul, going back to Anor Londo and making the Greatsword of Artorias. Why must life be hard
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Rainofpain
Profile Joined December 2010
United States125 Posts
January 14 2013 04:07 GMT
#2147
On January 14 2013 11:31 Duka08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 10:19 Rainofpain wrote:
First fight in the Faith Bow/Rapier #2, you used WotG then walked away. Why did you walk away? You had the fight auto won if you had WoG`d twice more.

Unwritten rule in honorable PvP. No WoG spam.


They have nerfed the DWGR and elemental weapons, if they wanted WotG nerfed they would have. You dont get points for being "Honorable" you get them for winning.
It`s hard to read bad players because they`re bad - Idra
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
January 14 2013 04:21 GMT
#2148
On January 14 2013 13:07 Rainofpain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 11:31 Duka08 wrote:
On January 14 2013 10:19 Rainofpain wrote:
First fight in the Faith Bow/Rapier #2, you used WotG then walked away. Why did you walk away? You had the fight auto won if you had WoG`d twice more.

Unwritten rule in honorable PvP. No WoG spam.


They have nerfed the DWGR and elemental weapons, if they wanted WotG nerfed they would have. You dont get points for being "Honorable" you get them for winning.


Uhhh. In case you didn't notice. Most people in this game do "honorable" pvp. Which has unwritten rules. Nobody cares about points or this or that. They want fair duels.
Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
January 14 2013 04:26 GMT
#2149
On January 14 2013 13:07 Rainofpain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 11:31 Duka08 wrote:
On January 14 2013 10:19 Rainofpain wrote:
First fight in the Faith Bow/Rapier #2, you used WotG then walked away. Why did you walk away? You had the fight auto won if you had WoG`d twice more.

Unwritten rule in honorable PvP. No WoG spam.


They have nerfed the DWGR and elemental weapons, if they wanted WotG nerfed they would have. You dont get points for being "Honorable" you get them for winning.
You don't get points for anything. PvP is just for the fun of it. If you have fun spamming WotG, do it, but some people don't.
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
January 14 2013 08:53 GMT
#2150
On January 14 2013 12:54 Nos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 11:22 Fyrewolf wrote:
On January 14 2013 04:23 sc4k wrote:
i put it at str end dex vit at all 20. What should I upgrade next? I've got my black knight sword + 3 and im wearing stone armour helm and some random red skirt with havel's ring. I have pyromancy at +12.


I'd say you should upgrade the black knight sword to +5 since it's such a good weapon, then a bit more vit if you feel you need it, then end to 40 to wear good armor(upgrade it!), then finish vit. Finally flame and str(whichever damage you want first).

Upgrading equipment is far, far, far more important than levels. A few more levels in vit/end will help though so you can wear heavier armor.

On January 14 2013 02:18 Nos- wrote:
I think I got myself into Anor Londo a bit too early, I'm around 45 SL and the boss is a huge pain in the ass. I also aimed for Greatsword of Artorias as my weapon of choice without realizing the huge stat requirements for using it (and having to kill Sif lol). Not sure what I should do now, I'm grinding on the Silver Knights to level up my stats a bit more, but I'm thinking of maybe getting Quelaag's Furysword to help my damage output at the moment and get Greatsword of Artorias later, cause I'm still using the lightning spear from Sen's Fortress and that's not doing a whole lot for me.


Your level is ok(though grinding a bit won't hurt), what you need is to upgrade your equipment(though lightning spear will suck against Ornstein). The boss of Anor Londo is a pain no matter what you do, just because there's two of them to fight. The furysword might help a bit, but it's a weapon that takes some getting used to. Or you could use dung pies to toxic them and then just dodge until they die The Greatsword of Artorias is really not that good of a weapon though. I would not recommend it for almost any character. There's plenty of other greatswords to use, Artorias' only gets good if you are maxing levels on that character, max is 700+, though you could max str/dex/int/faith to use it sooner, but it's not great below lvl 300, and almost no one actually plays that far.

God damn it I just spent like 4 hours running out of Anor Londo, dying at Sif like 15 times before getting his soul, going back to Anor Londo and making the Greatsword of Artorias. Why must life be hard


Once you get good at the combat weapons are more about preference of moveset than anything else. You can still use that sword if you really like it, almost every weapon is viable. It's just mediocre and doesn't really have anything on any other greatsword/ultra greatsword aside from it's meh special heavy attack until you level really really high, and then it's potentially the strongest weapon(though the damage is still split and therefore much less effective). I'd personally go for any other greatsword (regular, ultra, or curved) over it though, lots of them have cooler attributes, special moves, versatility, and damage. The other artorias sword made with his soul even lets you do his spin slashes and somersaults xD.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
Rainofpain
Profile Joined December 2010
United States125 Posts
January 14 2013 13:13 GMT
#2151
Spamming WotG is fair, if they didn`t want it to happen they would have nerfed it like they did with the other things I previously mentioned.
It`s hard to read bad players because they`re bad - Idra
FlamingForce
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands701 Posts
January 14 2013 13:31 GMT
#2152
WoG spammers are among the easiest opponents to beat.
Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
January 14 2013 13:48 GMT
#2153
On January 14 2013 22:13 Rainofpain wrote:
Spamming WotG is fair, if they didn`t want it to happen they would have nerfed it like they did with the other things I previously mentioned.

I wasn't saying it's unfair. You just asked why he didn't do it. And we told you. As the poster above said, as long as you're prepared for it, someone spamming WoG should be a non-issue.
heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
January 14 2013 14:13 GMT
#2154
It's like spamming low kick in a Tekken fight with your buddies. You just don't do it.
If you value your soul, never look into the eye of a horse. Your soul will forever be lost in the void of the horse.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
January 14 2013 17:23 GMT
#2155
On January 14 2013 22:13 Rainofpain wrote:
Spamming WotG is fair, if they didn`t want it to happen they would have nerfed it like they did with the other things I previously mentioned.



this is really bad logic. you know that things are determined to be 'broken' at various points, right? Something can be discovered as broken and they will patch it in the future. It's not like DWGR or Elemental Weapons weren't broken for MONTHS. I just don't get this logic, to you nothing in the game could be discovered as broken because it hasn't been nerfed yet, while other things have...herpyderp.

I'm not even saying WotG is necessarily broken, but your argument is blergh.
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Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
January 14 2013 18:30 GMT
#2156
remember, upgrades are more important than levels except to use the items you want, and to get endurance/vit. otherwise, the game itself, is beatable at level 1, i've done it, tons of people have done it before me. so don't rely heavily on your sl as a reason for not being able to beat certain areas, it's about learning the boss patterns, not giving up, and just keep trying and being patient at times.
I now have autographs of both BoxeR and NaDa. I can die happy. Lim Yo Hwan and Lee Yun Yeol FIGHTING forever!
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
January 14 2013 18:37 GMT
#2157
On January 15 2013 02:23 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 22:13 Rainofpain wrote:
Spamming WotG is fair, if they didn`t want it to happen they would have nerfed it like they did with the other things I previously mentioned.



this is really bad logic. you know that things are determined to be 'broken' at various points, right? Something can be discovered as broken and they will patch it in the future. It's not like DWGR or Elemental Weapons weren't broken for MONTHS. I just don't get this logic, to you nothing in the game could be discovered as broken because it hasn't been nerfed yet, while other things have...herpyderp.

I'm not even saying WotG is necessarily broken, but your argument is blergh.


Technically elemental weapons weren't actually broken before pc version tweaks, which is what most of the changes were, just tweaks. While I do agree in most games that you use what is available to win, dark souls is great because it lets you use what you prefer since almost everything is viable, and the unwritten rules are more about courtesy than limiting the game. For instance, someone that waits for you bow to them and instead of bowing back just runs around and backstabs you is just a douchebag rather than an actual strategist. Between the boxer that graciously shakes you hand/bumps fists before the fight and the jackass who while shaking with one hand, punches you in the face and kicks you in the balls, more people will actually enjoy playing with and as the former. Griefing always gets frowned upon in every game.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
FlamingForce
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands701 Posts
January 14 2013 18:38 GMT
#2158
On January 15 2013 03:37 Fyrewolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2013 02:23 crms wrote:
On January 14 2013 22:13 Rainofpain wrote:
Spamming WotG is fair, if they didn`t want it to happen they would have nerfed it like they did with the other things I previously mentioned.



this is really bad logic. you know that things are determined to be 'broken' at various points, right? Something can be discovered as broken and they will patch it in the future. It's not like DWGR or Elemental Weapons weren't broken for MONTHS. I just don't get this logic, to you nothing in the game could be discovered as broken because it hasn't been nerfed yet, while other things have...herpyderp.

I'm not even saying WotG is necessarily broken, but your argument is blergh.


Technically elemental weapons weren't actually broken before pc version tweaks, which is what most of the changes were, just tweaks. While I do agree in most games that you use what is available to win, dark souls is great because it lets you use what you prefer since almost everything is viable, and the unwritten rules are more about courtesy than limiting the game. For instance, someone that waits for you bow to them and instead of bowing back just runs around and backstabs you is just a douchebag rather than an actual strategist. Between the boxer that graciously shakes you hand/bumps fists before the fight and the jackass who while shaking with one hand, punches you in the face and kicks you in the balls, more people will actually enjoy playing with and as the former. Griefing always gets frowned upon in every game.


Some things are a hell of a lot more viable then others though.
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
January 15 2013 03:05 GMT
#2159
so i killed the mimic that was supposed to drop a cool spear. stepped into hole while trying to loot (killed mimic mid of room, loot is flying in the corner over nothingness). guess thats gone now too eh?

life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
January 15 2013 03:31 GMT
#2160
On January 15 2013 12:05 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
so i killed the mimic that was supposed to drop a cool spear. stepped into hole while trying to loot (killed mimic mid of room, loot is flying in the corner over nothingness). guess thats gone now too eh?



The lightning spear? Meh you can outupgrade it very quickly. Really not a lot lost.
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