On December 12 2012 19:16 xAdra wrote: Been playing Warcraft III extremely (extremely, mind you) casually since 2003, mainly for the campaign and against the AI. Started playing "competitively" with friends after discovering Crota's Warcraft 3 shoutcasts and Grubby's commentaries, eager to go to wc3arena to test my mettle against people who actually play the game on a ladder system. Also just wondering, how is undead underpowered compared to the rest? Playing against friends it seems fairly even...
Just play what race you like best. Orc have an advantage against UD, but UD have an advantage vs NE so overall it's not so bad I think.
On December 12 2012 19:16 xAdra wrote: Been playing Warcraft III extremely (extremely, mind you) casually since 2003, mainly for the campaign and against the AI. Started playing "competitively" with friends after discovering Crota's Warcraft 3 shoutcasts and Grubby's commentaries, eager to go to wc3arena to test my mettle against people who actually play the game on a ladder system. Also just wondering, how is undead underpowered compared to the rest? Playing against friends it seems fairly even...
Just play what race you like best. Orc have an advantage against UD, but UD have an advantage vs NE so overall it's not so bad I think.
No. Undead is the harder race to play of orcs and undeads. Happy and Ted have/had been good for a long time. Frequently destroyed top orcs.
The only reason is that there were few good undeads.
On December 12 2012 19:16 xAdra wrote: Been playing Warcraft III extremely (extremely, mind you) casually since 2003, mainly for the campaign and against the AI. Started playing "competitively" with friends after discovering Crota's Warcraft 3 shoutcasts and Grubby's commentaries, eager to go to wc3arena to test my mettle against people who actually play the game on a ladder system. Also just wondering, how is undead underpowered compared to the rest? Playing against friends it seems fairly even...
Just play what race you like best. Orc have an advantage against UD, but UD have an advantage vs NE so overall it's not so bad I think.
In a straight-up game it isn't so bad. Unfortunately, there are so many ways to cheese and abuse UD (as in, abuse it if you're playing against it) that it's no longer funny. People slaughtering your acos when you're mid-tech, being the only race to get their first dispel at T3 (absolutely having to tech to T3 as fast as possible in every matchup is a problem too), tower rush vulnerability etc. etc.
Trust me, I know, I was playing mainly undead and whenever I off-raced and went against UD I did evil things to them as every single race can cheese them to death in more than one way.
I remember when the paladin first build was introduced into the metagame by TH000 (if i recall correctly), lvl 2 holy light + 1 attack = dead aco. combine that with divine shield and being unprepared for the strategy... jesus christ. sad sad times
On December 12 2012 19:16 xAdra wrote: Been playing Warcraft III extremely (extremely, mind you) casually since 2003, mainly for the campaign and against the AI. Started playing "competitively" with friends after discovering Crota's Warcraft 3 shoutcasts and Grubby's commentaries, eager to go to wc3arena to test my mettle against people who actually play the game on a ladder system. Also just wondering, how is undead underpowered compared to the rest? Playing against friends it seems fairly even...
Just play what race you like best. Orc have an advantage against UD, but UD have an advantage vs NE so overall it's not so bad I think.
In a straight-up game it isn't so bad. Unfortunately, there are so many ways to cheese and abuse UD (as in, abuse it if you're playing against it) that it's no longer funny. People slaughtering your acos when you're mid-tech, being the only race to get their first dispel at T3 (absolutely having to tech to T3 as fast as possible in every matchup is a problem too), tower rush vulnerability etc. etc.
Trust me, I know, I was playing mainly undead and whenever I off-raced and went against UD I did evil things to them as every single race can cheese them to death in more than one way.
Thanks for the explanation. At my (extremely) casual level I can play pretty much any race against people who have no clue what they're doing, but I enjoy undead the most. I think after your post I'll go play some other race...but Orc is too mainstream, NightElf just seems asshole-ish with mass Cyclones and I dislike the feel of Human. Sigh.
Just play the race that appeals to you the most on the basis of fluff or story/style. For me, I have been playing Orcs since Warhammer Fantasy so it was no hard choice.
Is it just me or does B.Net have like 1 second delay? I have tried going back to warcraft a few times but the delay made it unplayable. Anyone else experience this or have a fix?
On December 13 2012 19:51 emrick wrote: Is it just me or does B.Net have like 1 second delay? I have tried going back to warcraft a few times but the delay made it unplayable. Anyone else experience this or have a fix?
Bnet is always going to have that kind of lag. If you want to play on a lag free server with no hackers then play on:
On December 13 2012 19:51 emrick wrote: Is it just me or does B.Net have like 1 second delay? I have tried going back to warcraft a few times but the delay made it unplayable. Anyone else experience this or have a fix?
Bnet is always going to have that kind of lag. If you want to play on a lag free server with no hackers then play on:
On December 13 2012 19:51 emrick wrote: Is it just me or does B.Net have like 1 second delay? I have tried going back to warcraft a few times but the delay made it unplayable. Anyone else experience this or have a fix?
Bnet is always going to have that kind of lag. If you want to play on a lag free server with no hackers then play on:
On December 12 2012 19:16 xAdra wrote: Been playing Warcraft III extremely (extremely, mind you) casually since 2003, mainly for the campaign and against the AI. Started playing "competitively" with friends after discovering Crota's Warcraft 3 shoutcasts and Grubby's commentaries, eager to go to wc3arena to test my mettle against people who actually play the game on a ladder system. Also just wondering, how is undead underpowered compared to the rest? Playing against friends it seems fairly even...
Just play what race you like best. Orc have an advantage against UD, but UD have an advantage vs NE so overall it's not so bad I think.
orc have no weak mu and they have a strong mu (vs UD), while the other races have at least one weak.
On December 19 2012 05:13 Psycho_Gemni wrote: How long has NE been doing mass DoT's vs Orc?
Late 2005 if my memory serves me right. MagicYang is said to be the real inventor (an obscure korean semi-pro), but the final version, with the 2 tavern heroes harass/staff abuse got mainstreamed by Moon.
At first the strategy was called imbalanced, but slowly, few top Orcs figured out that they should in most case focus the NE heros inside of the dotts, since they were the real damage dealer in that composition. After figuring out how to beat mass dotts and that SW got buffed against cyclone/HU repair speed got nerfed (all current 2006), Orc emerged as the overall strongest race in 2007, and remained so until the "end" of the pro-scene.
The spirit walker buff was way before dotts became imba hu scout tower repair (which was massively imba) wasnt fixed until 2008 also you didn't mention the windwalk and ensnare nerfs And Orc never really 'figured out' mass dotts, subpar elves were always a threat to beat even the top orcs
I asked this question in the Garena group , sparked a nice conversation and some epic nostalgia , I will ask it again here to get this thread moving a little bit
In your opinion , what is your top 3 favorite Warcraft 3 games ?
Including VODs and replays is optional , however it will help us people in this thread have some good time.
I'll start things off :
Note : I am a bias human player who loves watching humans win , again these are my personal favorites , I hope everyone shares their's too :D
#3 : WCG 2009 , Infi vs Fly , Game 2
Infi was fucking brilliant , I haven't seen a human vs orc executed so perfectly like this game.
#2 : Blizz Con 2009 , Grubby vs Moon
just when you think Moon is dead , holy shit ! btw I stole this one from frequency
Why I love this game ? watching sky trash this guy is hilarious ! that shit wasn't even fair XD , it just cracks me up every time I watch it , and lets face it , back then I don't remember humans were as aggressive as he was , I thought it was impossible to do so then Sky proves me wrong....hell I still remember when I downloaded the replay for the 1st time and watched it, I was thinking "dafaq is this dude doing ? does he have a death wish or something ?....oh my god !....I think I just jizzed my pants...nope that wasn't bunny's effect XD "
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. That still translates to 350ms for us Aus/NZ players.
, again these are my personal favorites , I hope everyone shares their's too :D
