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Capresis
Profile Joined September 2008
United States518 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-12 18:04:30
December 12 2012 17:57 GMT
#701
On December 12 2012 19:16 xAdra wrote:
Been playing Warcraft III extremely (extremely, mind you) casually since 2003, mainly for the campaign and against the AI. Started playing "competitively" with friends after discovering Crota's Warcraft 3 shoutcasts and Grubby's commentaries, eager to go to wc3arena to test my mettle against people who actually play the game on a ladder system. Also just wondering, how is undead underpowered compared to the rest? Playing against friends it seems fairly even...

Just play what race you like best. Orc have an advantage against UD, but UD have an advantage vs NE so overall it's not so bad I think.
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
December 13 2012 03:11 GMT
#702
On December 13 2012 02:57 Psycho_Gemni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 19:16 xAdra wrote:
Been playing Warcraft III extremely (extremely, mind you) casually since 2003, mainly for the campaign and against the AI. Started playing "competitively" with friends after discovering Crota's Warcraft 3 shoutcasts and Grubby's commentaries, eager to go to wc3arena to test my mettle against people who actually play the game on a ladder system. Also just wondering, how is undead underpowered compared to the rest? Playing against friends it seems fairly even...

Just play what race you like best. Orc have an advantage against UD, but UD have an advantage vs NE so overall it's not so bad I think.

No. Undead is the harder race to play of orcs and undeads. Happy and Ted have/had been good for a long time. Frequently destroyed top orcs.

The only reason is that there were few good undeads.
☺
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17469 Posts
December 13 2012 08:36 GMT
#703
On December 13 2012 02:57 Psycho_Gemni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 19:16 xAdra wrote:
Been playing Warcraft III extremely (extremely, mind you) casually since 2003, mainly for the campaign and against the AI. Started playing "competitively" with friends after discovering Crota's Warcraft 3 shoutcasts and Grubby's commentaries, eager to go to wc3arena to test my mettle against people who actually play the game on a ladder system. Also just wondering, how is undead underpowered compared to the rest? Playing against friends it seems fairly even...

Just play what race you like best. Orc have an advantage against UD, but UD have an advantage vs NE so overall it's not so bad I think.


In a straight-up game it isn't so bad. Unfortunately, there are so many ways to cheese and abuse UD (as in, abuse it if you're playing against it) that it's no longer funny. People slaughtering your acos when you're mid-tech, being the only race to get their first dispel at T3 (absolutely having to tech to T3 as fast as possible in every matchup is a problem too), tower rush vulnerability etc. etc.

Trust me, I know, I was playing mainly undead and whenever I off-raced and went against UD I did evil things to them as every single race can cheese them to death in more than one way.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
kefkalives
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Australia1272 Posts
December 13 2012 09:11 GMT
#704
Manit0u, this, and a thousand times this .

I remember when the paladin first build was introduced into the metagame by TH000 (if i recall correctly), lvl 2 holy light + 1 attack = dead aco. combine that with divine shield and being unprepared for the strategy... jesus christ. sad sad times
prOxi.bOn ; \\ What makes most people feel happy/Leads us headlong into harm.
xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 10:16:03
December 13 2012 10:15 GMT
#705
On December 13 2012 17:36 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 02:57 Psycho_Gemni wrote:
On December 12 2012 19:16 xAdra wrote:
Been playing Warcraft III extremely (extremely, mind you) casually since 2003, mainly for the campaign and against the AI. Started playing "competitively" with friends after discovering Crota's Warcraft 3 shoutcasts and Grubby's commentaries, eager to go to wc3arena to test my mettle against people who actually play the game on a ladder system. Also just wondering, how is undead underpowered compared to the rest? Playing against friends it seems fairly even...

Just play what race you like best. Orc have an advantage against UD, but UD have an advantage vs NE so overall it's not so bad I think.


In a straight-up game it isn't so bad. Unfortunately, there are so many ways to cheese and abuse UD (as in, abuse it if you're playing against it) that it's no longer funny. People slaughtering your acos when you're mid-tech, being the only race to get their first dispel at T3 (absolutely having to tech to T3 as fast as possible in every matchup is a problem too), tower rush vulnerability etc. etc.

Trust me, I know, I was playing mainly undead and whenever I off-raced and went against UD I did evil things to them as every single race can cheese them to death in more than one way.

Thanks for the explanation. At my (extremely) casual level I can play pretty much any race against people who have no clue what they're doing, but I enjoy undead the most. I think after your post I'll go play some other race...but Orc is too mainstream, NightElf just seems asshole-ish with mass Cyclones and I dislike the feel of Human. Sigh.
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5452 Posts
December 13 2012 10:23 GMT
#706
Human feels so right! I miss playing human sometimes. Love how the archmage synergizes with everything. Brilliance aura...
gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2594 Posts
December 13 2012 10:26 GMT
#707
Just play the race that appeals to you the most on the basis of fluff or story/style.
For me, I have been playing Orcs since Warhammer Fantasy so it was no hard choice.
One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
emrick
Profile Joined December 2010
United States39 Posts
December 13 2012 10:51 GMT
#708
Is it just me or does B.Net have like 1 second delay? I have tried going back to warcraft a few times but the delay made it unplayable. Anyone else experience this or have a fix?
TheWorldToCome
Profile Joined January 2012
United States452 Posts
December 13 2012 11:14 GMT
#709
On December 13 2012 19:51 emrick wrote:
Is it just me or does B.Net have like 1 second delay? I have tried going back to warcraft a few times but the delay made it unplayable. Anyone else experience this or have a fix?


Bnet is always going to have that kind of lag. If you want to play on a lag free server with no hackers then play on:

http://tft.w3arena.net/
Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one.
emrick
Profile Joined December 2010
United States39 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-13 11:30:44
December 13 2012 11:27 GMT
#710
Is that for people in the US? also, is everyone on there really good?
Jarvs
Profile Joined December 2009
Australia639 Posts
December 13 2012 12:09 GMT
#711
On December 13 2012 20:14 TheWorldToCome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 19:51 emrick wrote:
Is it just me or does B.Net have like 1 second delay? I have tried going back to warcraft a few times but the delay made it unplayable. Anyone else experience this or have a fix?


Bnet is always going to have that kind of lag. If you want to play on a lag free server with no hackers then play on:

http://tft.w3arena.net/


The issue with that is it's located in Germany . That still translates to 350ms for us Aus/NZ players.
TheWorldToCome
Profile Joined January 2012
United States452 Posts
December 13 2012 12:20 GMT
#712
On December 13 2012 21:09 Jarvs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2012 20:14 TheWorldToCome wrote:
On December 13 2012 19:51 emrick wrote:
Is it just me or does B.Net have like 1 second delay? I have tried going back to warcraft a few times but the delay made it unplayable. Anyone else experience this or have a fix?


Bnet is always going to have that kind of lag. If you want to play on a lag free server with no hackers then play on:

http://tft.w3arena.net/


The issue with that is it's located in Germany . That still translates to 350ms for us Aus/NZ players.



I get no delay from West coast of US.
Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one.
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2116 Posts
December 18 2012 12:45 GMT
#713
HEY EVERYONE, HOW WE DOIN :D
John 15:13
MyNameIsAlex
Profile Joined March 2011
Greece827 Posts
December 18 2012 13:17 GMT
#714
On December 13 2012 02:57 Psycho_Gemni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 19:16 xAdra wrote:
Been playing Warcraft III extremely (extremely, mind you) casually since 2003, mainly for the campaign and against the AI. Started playing "competitively" with friends after discovering Crota's Warcraft 3 shoutcasts and Grubby's commentaries, eager to go to wc3arena to test my mettle against people who actually play the game on a ladder system. Also just wondering, how is undead underpowered compared to the rest? Playing against friends it seems fairly even...

Just play what race you like best. Orc have an advantage against UD, but UD have an advantage vs NE so overall it's not so bad I think.

orc have no weak mu and they have a strong mu (vs UD), while the other races have at least one weak.
acie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States247 Posts
December 18 2012 19:15 GMT
#715
orc is weak vs ne for sure and maybe hu
Capresis
Profile Joined September 2008
United States518 Posts
December 18 2012 20:13 GMT
#716
How long has NE been doing mass DoT's vs Orc?
SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 20:25:00
December 18 2012 20:23 GMT
#717
On December 19 2012 05:13 Psycho_Gemni wrote:
How long has NE been doing mass DoT's vs Orc?


Late 2005 if my memory serves me right.
MagicYang is said to be the real inventor (an obscure korean semi-pro), but the final version, with the 2 tavern heroes harass/staff abuse got mainstreamed by Moon.

At first the strategy was called imbalanced, but slowly, few top Orcs figured out that they should in most case focus the NE heros inside of the dotts, since they were the real damage dealer in that composition.
After figuring out how to beat mass dotts and that SW got buffed against cyclone/HU repair speed got nerfed (all current 2006), Orc emerged as the overall strongest race in 2007, and remained so until the "end" of the pro-scene.
Our envy always last longer than the happiness of those we envy
acie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States247 Posts
December 18 2012 21:34 GMT
#718
The spirit walker buff was way before dotts became imba
hu scout tower repair (which was massively imba) wasnt fixed until 2008
also you didn't mention the windwalk and ensnare nerfs
And Orc never really 'figured out' mass dotts, subpar elves were always a threat to beat even the top orcs
KvltMan
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden1609 Posts
December 23 2012 15:56 GMT
#719
Oh shit, gonna try TFT for the first time in 5 years today, this thread got me really hyped. :D
Get crunk
Tchado
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Jordan1831 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-23 19:29:29
December 23 2012 19:26 GMT
#720
I asked this question in the Garena group , sparked a nice conversation and some epic nostalgia , I will ask it again here to get this thread moving a little bit

In your opinion , what is your top 3 favorite Warcraft 3 games ?

Including VODs and replays is optional , however it will help us people in this thread have some good time.

I'll start things off :

Note : I am a bias human player who loves watching humans win , again these are my personal favorites , I hope everyone shares their's too :D

#3 : WCG 2009 , Infi vs Fly , Game 2

Infi was fucking brilliant , I haven't seen a human vs orc executed so perfectly like this game.



#2 : Blizz Con 2009 , Grubby vs Moon

just when you think Moon is dead , holy shit ! btw I stole this one from frequency

http://www.gosugamers.net/warcraft/replays/39036

#1 : WCG 2005 , Sky vs ShortRound

Why I love this game ? watching sky trash this guy is hilarious ! that shit wasn't even fair XD , it just cracks me up every time I watch it , and lets face it , back then I don't remember humans were as aggressive as he was , I thought it was impossible to do so then Sky proves me wrong....hell I still remember when I downloaded the replay for the 1st time and watched it, I was thinking "dafaq is this dude doing ? does he have a death wish or something ?....oh my god !....I think I just jizzed my pants...nope that wasn't bunny's effect XD "



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