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On October 25 2012 07:43 iGrok wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 06:28 thuracine wrote:On October 24 2012 22:23 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On October 24 2012 15:08 thuracine wrote:On October 24 2012 13:53 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On October 24 2012 12:57 thuracine wrote:On October 24 2012 11:58 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
And you keep getting input. Why do you ask for input, then get all defensive and say "I just wanted input from others." That's what you're getting.
Your question "What if every 4 years the NFL would mix up divisions?"
Changing divisions necessarily changes the scheduling of the NFL (i.e. you wouldn't play rivalry teams twice per season any longer). That's the point of divisions, and division winners. They play each other twice to determine the best team by trying to negate home field advantage (that's why they each get one home game out of the two possible games). What is it that you don't understand about this? Realigning divisions necessarily changes the way the NFL is scheduled. In other words, WHAT I SAID BEFORE: It would destroy the established rivalries in the NFL.
You've been given precisely what you asked for several times by several people, except we went farther, and tried to be nice, but you don't seem to be grasping that. The idea was stupid. . DUMB. FUCKING. IDEA. Unless your real question is to ask "How could we rig the NFL so the lowly Lions don't look so lowly any longer?" You must have stepped on a lego. The only input you have given is that its a bad idea and would destroy rivalries. Instead of jumping all over me and saying how bad of a idea it is why not ignore my posts and save yourself the stress and time. I wasn't interested in if it was a good or bad idea, more of "I am tired of seeing the same teams in the playoffs every year and how those teams would do in another division". You know playing the "What If" game and you took it like I was trying to reconstruct how the nfl schedules the teams. Maybe your next post will be " I hate those Patriots, Jets and Giants should switch divisions so Brady has to deal with them twice a year". But most likely going to be another post about my terrible idea or maybe just no response at all. Here's an idea: If you don't actually want input on your "what if" idea, don't ask for it. I addressed your scenario exactly as it was asked to be addressed, and did so in a rather polite manner the first time. I'm not the one that's not reading things here, or lacking comprehension of what was posted. On the contrary, I am addressing precisely the question that was asked. Realignment of divisions in any way is a generally bad idea. That is my input on this, and you keep trying to defend your idea, saying you aren't talking about the way the NFL schedules, while ignoring everything else that I'm posting. I.E. That changing divisions necessarily changes scheduling, so it's a valid point of discussion. Furthermore, if your problem is that you're tired of seeing the same teams in the playoffs (who knows why you're upset about that, as it has literally nothing to do with divisional alignment, and more to do with incompetency in power positions for teams [see Jerry Jones]), changing scheduling is EXACTLY what you're suggesting. "How would teams fair in another division" is basically the same thing as saying "I wish they had to play different teams more often," which is a change to scheduling, which destroys the long-standing rivalries the NFL has built. Instead of getting defensive about a bad idea, how about you think before posting, or just don't post at all? I vote for the latter, because so far, all of your posts are terrible. Honestly, I keep repeating myself like it's going to sink in at some point, but you're either unwilling to read what I'm actually saying (dismissing it as if I have not addressed your ludicrous idea), or you just don't actually understand the implications of your scenario. I don't know, or particularly care, which one it is. It's like you just want to say what you want to say, and not have anyone respond critically to your idea. Or maybe you're just fighting for the last word, for some sort of moral victory. If that's the case, have it. We get it YOU think realignment of divisions is a bad idea. The NFL didn't think so when they did it in 02 and came up with the new scheduling system(which I know you love) and still protect your precious rivalries. Who's to say they don't do it again when new teams join the league or broke teams disband. We get it YOU think realignment of divisions is a bad idea. So how do you feel about the Giants switching places with the Jets? not how there travel plans might change but how the two divisions would change. This proves exactly how stupid you are. The NFL changed the divisions for actual reasons in that scenario. They changed them based on the new, round number of teams (since they had 32, they could have eight divisions of four teams), and based on region. It made sense. It wasn't a change that was made all willy-nilly, spur of the moment, as you're suggesting. You've yet to provide a single reason that it would be a good idea to change divisions. All you keep saying is that you want input, and now you're getting mad because your idea sucks, and I'm no longer being nice about it. Swapping the two teams would be stupid. What point would it serve? None. Absolutely none. The only thing it would do is, potentially, keep the Patriots from being division winners as often as they are, because the Giants seemingly outplay them every time they play. But what good is that, except to irritate one of the NFL's most fervent fan bases? How about this, you give a single (1) reason that they should rotate divisions. So far, you've given zero (0), so how about you try for one. Then you can come back all snippy at people who don't like your fucking idiotic posts. No one has been supportive of your idea, but you keep responding directly to me, so you're seeing more of my posts. Give a reason, or YOU stop posting about it. On October 24 2012 16:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I have no idea what you're trying to say. He's not actually saying anything. Just a bunch of posts saying "WHAT IF! LOZL!" WHAT IF THE WHOLE WORLD ERUPTED IN A BALL OF FIRE AND THERE WERE NO PRO FOOTBALL PLAYERS LEFT AND THE NFL HAD TO USE SCRUBS OFF THE STREET?! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTT IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFFFFFFFFFFFF. (Never mind the obvious point that the ENTIRE WORLD IS ON FIRE and there are probably no people left... irrelevant details!) The point is, what he's talking about is not possible (shifting divisions and maintaining the same level of rivalry), he's just unable to figure that out. [Edited to make it a little bit nicer, I get the impression that thuricaine is young, thus the lack of logical reasoning. Hopefully, instead of posting dumb shit all the time, he'll start to actually read some posts here and learn something about football.] You must be a peach to be around. Everyone of your post have said the same thing, bad idea don't mess with rivalries. Instead of being a dick and saying the same shit over and over why not be constructive maybe improve on the idea. Use your imagination, this was never about scheduling or rivalries it was actually quite simple. So before you over analyze everything I will make it simple. EA has come up with a formula that will allow you in next years madden to "create your own divisions" scheduling done for you. How would you setup your divisions in the video game. Dude. Give 2 reasons why it should happen. He has said it would break up rivalries, so you need two reasons to have a better argument. Lets hear them. EDIT: Your original post wasn't about Madden, it was about the NFL: Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 18:10 thuracine wrote:
After the game I was discussing divisions with a friend and how some are harder or easier than others.We started getting in to the "what if", what if every 4 years the nfl would mix up the divisions. Wont go in to want teams we put in different divisions just want to put it out there and see what other people come up with and where they would put teams. So talk about the NFL Divisions, not Madden Fantasy Divisions
Dude
I never said the nfl should change the way they do things
The OP was about FANTASY DIVISIONS and how you would set them up reason why i brought madden into it. The 4 year thing was just one of the idea's bouncing around in the conversation and was the first thing that popped into my head writing the OP. People need to get over this idea of rivalries every game is a rivalry, I would rather see the Patriots vs Giants every couples years than any of there divisional games.
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The rivalries are a byproduct of playing each other so often. Teams that meet in the playoffs frequently develop intense rivalries as well (re: Colts/Pats of 2000s).
I think the most compelling argument against reshuffling divisions is the geography. The teams are divided by location to make travel time less of an issue. While some may argue that travel time isn't an issue when you play once a week, the nature of football gives each team only 4 full days of practice (tuesday-friday, assuming you didn't play monday). Arbitrarily moving teams around would really upset that balance. There's a reason the talking heads talk about teams that 'travel well' or the downside of flying across the country to play, as a league head/player/coach/spectator you really don't want that happening often and decreasing the level of play as a result.
After that, the rivalries stick out for me. I think you'd be exceptionally hard pressed to find many football fans that would choose a division realignment over seeing Packers/Bears, Ravens/Steelers, Eagles/Giants etc twice a year. In addition rivalry games are great for TV and generate huge revenue, which is a pretty big deal.
Ultimately, I realize you don't want people jumping down your throats for suggesting realigning divisions like in Madden, but it's a pretty dumb and not practical idea. Keep it in Madden.
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On October 25 2012 06:28 thuracine wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 22:23 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On October 24 2012 15:08 thuracine wrote:On October 24 2012 13:53 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On October 24 2012 12:57 thuracine wrote:On October 24 2012 11:58 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
And you keep getting input. Why do you ask for input, then get all defensive and say "I just wanted input from others." That's what you're getting.
Your question "What if every 4 years the NFL would mix up divisions?"
Changing divisions necessarily changes the scheduling of the NFL (i.e. you wouldn't play rivalry teams twice per season any longer). That's the point of divisions, and division winners. They play each other twice to determine the best team by trying to negate home field advantage (that's why they each get one home game out of the two possible games). What is it that you don't understand about this? Realigning divisions necessarily changes the way the NFL is scheduled. In other words, WHAT I SAID BEFORE: It would destroy the established rivalries in the NFL.
You've been given precisely what you asked for several times by several people, except we went farther, and tried to be nice, but you don't seem to be grasping that. The idea was stupid. . DUMB. FUCKING. IDEA. Unless your real question is to ask "How could we rig the NFL so the lowly Lions don't look so lowly any longer?" You must have stepped on a lego. The only input you have given is that its a bad idea and would destroy rivalries. Instead of jumping all over me and saying how bad of a idea it is why not ignore my posts and save yourself the stress and time. I wasn't interested in if it was a good or bad idea, more of "I am tired of seeing the same teams in the playoffs every year and how those teams would do in another division". You know playing the "What If" game and you took it like I was trying to reconstruct how the nfl schedules the teams. Maybe your next post will be " I hate those Patriots, Jets and Giants should switch divisions so Brady has to deal with them twice a year". But most likely going to be another post about my terrible idea or maybe just no response at all. Here's an idea: If you don't actually want input on your "what if" idea, don't ask for it. I addressed your scenario exactly as it was asked to be addressed, and did so in a rather polite manner the first time. I'm not the one that's not reading things here, or lacking comprehension of what was posted. On the contrary, I am addressing precisely the question that was asked. Realignment of divisions in any way is a generally bad idea. That is my input on this, and you keep trying to defend your idea, saying you aren't talking about the way the NFL schedules, while ignoring everything else that I'm posting. I.E. That changing divisions necessarily changes scheduling, so it's a valid point of discussion. Furthermore, if your problem is that you're tired of seeing the same teams in the playoffs (who knows why you're upset about that, as it has literally nothing to do with divisional alignment, and more to do with incompetency in power positions for teams [see Jerry Jones]), changing scheduling is EXACTLY what you're suggesting. "How would teams fair in another division" is basically the same thing as saying "I wish they had to play different teams more often," which is a change to scheduling, which destroys the long-standing rivalries the NFL has built. Instead of getting defensive about a bad idea, how about you think before posting, or just don't post at all? I vote for the latter, because so far, all of your posts are terrible. Honestly, I keep repeating myself like it's going to sink in at some point, but you're either unwilling to read what I'm actually saying (dismissing it as if I have not addressed your ludicrous idea), or you just don't actually understand the implications of your scenario. I don't know, or particularly care, which one it is. It's like you just want to say what you want to say, and not have anyone respond critically to your idea. Or maybe you're just fighting for the last word, for some sort of moral victory. If that's the case, have it. We get it YOU think realignment of divisions is a bad idea. The NFL didn't think so when they did it in 02 and came up with the new scheduling system(which I know you love) and still protect your precious rivalries. Who's to say they don't do it again when new teams join the league or broke teams disband. We get it YOU think realignment of divisions is a bad idea. So how do you feel about the Giants switching places with the Jets? not how there travel plans might change but how the two divisions would change. This proves exactly how stupid you are. The NFL changed the divisions for actual reasons in that scenario. They changed them based on the new, round number of teams (since they had 32, they could have eight divisions of four teams), and based on region. It made sense. It wasn't a change that was made all willy-nilly, spur of the moment, as you're suggesting. You've yet to provide a single reason that it would be a good idea to change divisions. All you keep saying is that you want input, and now you're getting mad because your idea sucks, and I'm no longer being nice about it. Swapping the two teams would be stupid. What point would it serve? None. Absolutely none. The only thing it would do is, potentially, keep the Patriots from being division winners as often as they are, because the Giants seemingly outplay them every time they play. But what good is that, except to irritate one of the NFL's most fervent fan bases? How about this, you give a single (1) reason that they should rotate divisions. So far, you've given zero (0), so how about you try for one. Then you can come back all snippy at people who don't like your fucking idiotic posts. No one has been supportive of your idea, but you keep responding directly to me, so you're seeing more of my posts. Give a reason, or YOU stop posting about it. On October 24 2012 16:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I have no idea what you're trying to say. He's not actually saying anything. Just a bunch of posts saying "WHAT IF! LOZL!" WHAT IF THE WHOLE WORLD ERUPTED IN A BALL OF FIRE AND THERE WERE NO PRO FOOTBALL PLAYERS LEFT AND THE NFL HAD TO USE SCRUBS OFF THE STREET?! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTT IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFFFFFFFFFFFF. (Never mind the obvious point that the ENTIRE WORLD IS ON FIRE and there are probably no people left... irrelevant details!) The point is, what he's talking about is not possible (shifting divisions and maintaining the same level of rivalry), he's just unable to figure that out. [Edited to make it a little bit nicer, I get the impression that thuricaine is young, thus the lack of logical reasoning. Hopefully, instead of posting dumb shit all the time, he'll start to actually read some posts here and learn something about football.] You must be a peach to be around. Everyone of your post have said the same thing, bad idea don't mess with rivalries. Instead of being a dick and saying the same shit over and over why not be constructive maybe improve on the idea. Use your imagination, this was never about scheduling or rivalries it was actually quite simple. So before you over analyze everything I will make it simple. EA has come up with a formula that will allow you in next years madden to "create your own divisions" scheduling done for you. How would you setup your divisions in the video game.
Yeah, I'm actually pretty fucking awesome to be around: most people love me.
How about instead of asking other people to be creative with ideas on how we'd rearrange divisions (which no one wants to do), you come up with something other than "what if?"
Your concept necessarily changes both scheduling and rivalries. Since you can't understand what this means, here is the definition of necessarily: As a necessary result; inevitably. So your proposition forces a change of scheduling, which forces a change in the amount of games the current, long-standing rivals get to play against each other.
The answer to your question about how I would rearrange the divisions (which is not your original question): I wouldn't.
To reiterate, here is your original question (with corrected grammar): "What if every four years the NFL mixed up divisions?"
Do you see how that question above is not, "if you had the option to change divisions around, how would you arrange them?"
Words have meanings; if you meant to ask what we would do if we had the ability to arrange divisions ourselves, you should have asked that. You should not have asked what the impact (which is what if means) of the NFL shifting divisions around would be; that is what your initial question asked, and that is why I kept repeating the same answer, because until this post, you never changed your question. And again, to answer the new question: I probably wouldn't change anything.
The OP was about FANTASY DIVISIONS and how you would set them up reason why i brought madden into it. The 4 year thing was just one of the idea's bouncing around in the conversation and was the first thing that popped into my head writing the OP. People need to get over this idea of rivalries every game is a rivalry, I would rather see the Patriots vs Giants every couples years than any of there divisional games.
You definitely could have made that more clear, if you hadn't typed it as a what if scenario for the NFL. I hope you learned something today.
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On October 25 2012 08:06 DannyJ wrote:
Oh god who cares about that division idea!
The real question is if I should drop 100 smackers on the Giants beating the cowboys by 1.5 points...
Yes. Put 200 on it.
And give me half when you win.
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Cowboys will beat the Giants by 10. You heard it here first.
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On October 25 2012 16:42 Souma wrote:
Cowboys will beat the Giants by 10. You heard it here first.
Well because seeing it would be impossible, so yes i heard it here first.
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On October 25 2012 17:15 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 16:42 Souma wrote:
Cowboys will beat the Giants by 10. You heard it here first. Well because seeing it would be impossible, so yes i heard it here first.
I shall have the last laugh!
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On October 25 2012 02:06 QuanticHawk wrote:
Holy balls I'm about to pull off a coup here.
Gonna get Harvin for F. Jackson and M Williams looool
I have the option of taking Vincent Jackson instead. Any opinion on this? I wanna smash the fuck out accept right now but I wanna decide... I think VJ might get more TDs but he is more feast or famine. Harvin is closer to a RB in terms of just being so damn consistent.
e: Went ahead with the trade. So Sunday, I will start:
QB: Matt Ryan
WR: White, Harvin, Brown
RB: Lynch, Matthews, CJ2K
TE: VD
K: Gould
D: Pitt
Bench: Rivers, Leshoure, Wright, Graham... and the guy who I traded with dropped Andre Roberts, who I'll probably snag.
I will definitely have the best team in the league after this and most of my bye's are over with now. 6TD all around.
Not bad at all considering this is how I started off:
1. (9) Ryan Mathews RB
2. (16) Marshawn Lynch RB
3. (33) Fred Jackson RB
4. (40) Vernon Davis TE
5. (57) Antonio Brown WR
6. (64) Philip Rivers QB
7. (81) Robert Meachem WR
8. (88) Stevan Ridley RB
9. (105) Matt Ryan QB
10. (112) Darrius Heyward-Bey WR
11. (129) Mikel LeShoure RB
12. (136) Kendall Wright WR
13. (153) Mike Williams WR
14. (160) Cincinnati DEF
15. (177) Dan Carpenter K
Graham as in Jimmy Graham? If yes, how the hell did you manage to get him when you already have VD? What kind of retards are you playing with? That trade pretty much tells me what kind they are, but this is ridiculous.
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On October 25 2012 12:25 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 06:28 thuracine wrote:On October 24 2012 22:23 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On October 24 2012 15:08 thuracine wrote:On October 24 2012 13:53 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On October 24 2012 12:57 thuracine wrote:On October 24 2012 11:58 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
And you keep getting input. Why do you ask for input, then get all defensive and say "I just wanted input from others." That's what you're getting.
Your question "What if every 4 years the NFL would mix up divisions?"
Changing divisions necessarily changes the scheduling of the NFL (i.e. you wouldn't play rivalry teams twice per season any longer). That's the point of divisions, and division winners. They play each other twice to determine the best team by trying to negate home field advantage (that's why they each get one home game out of the two possible games). What is it that you don't understand about this? Realigning divisions necessarily changes the way the NFL is scheduled. In other words, WHAT I SAID BEFORE: It would destroy the established rivalries in the NFL.
You've been given precisely what you asked for several times by several people, except we went farther, and tried to be nice, but you don't seem to be grasping that. The idea was stupid. . DUMB. FUCKING. IDEA. Unless your real question is to ask "How could we rig the NFL so the lowly Lions don't look so lowly any longer?" You must have stepped on a lego. The only input you have given is that its a bad idea and would destroy rivalries. Instead of jumping all over me and saying how bad of a idea it is why not ignore my posts and save yourself the stress and time. I wasn't interested in if it was a good or bad idea, more of "I am tired of seeing the same teams in the playoffs every year and how those teams would do in another division". You know playing the "What If" game and you took it like I was trying to reconstruct how the nfl schedules the teams. Maybe your next post will be " I hate those Patriots, Jets and Giants should switch divisions so Brady has to deal with them twice a year". But most likely going to be another post about my terrible idea or maybe just no response at all. Here's an idea: If you don't actually want input on your "what if" idea, don't ask for it. I addressed your scenario exactly as it was asked to be addressed, and did so in a rather polite manner the first time. I'm not the one that's not reading things here, or lacking comprehension of what was posted. On the contrary, I am addressing precisely the question that was asked. Realignment of divisions in any way is a generally bad idea. That is my input on this, and you keep trying to defend your idea, saying you aren't talking about the way the NFL schedules, while ignoring everything else that I'm posting. I.E. That changing divisions necessarily changes scheduling, so it's a valid point of discussion. Furthermore, if your problem is that you're tired of seeing the same teams in the playoffs (who knows why you're upset about that, as it has literally nothing to do with divisional alignment, and more to do with incompetency in power positions for teams [see Jerry Jones]), changing scheduling is EXACTLY what you're suggesting. "How would teams fair in another division" is basically the same thing as saying "I wish they had to play different teams more often," which is a change to scheduling, which destroys the long-standing rivalries the NFL has built. Instead of getting defensive about a bad idea, how about you think before posting, or just don't post at all? I vote for the latter, because so far, all of your posts are terrible. Honestly, I keep repeating myself like it's going to sink in at some point, but you're either unwilling to read what I'm actually saying (dismissing it as if I have not addressed your ludicrous idea), or you just don't actually understand the implications of your scenario. I don't know, or particularly care, which one it is. It's like you just want to say what you want to say, and not have anyone respond critically to your idea. Or maybe you're just fighting for the last word, for some sort of moral victory. If that's the case, have it. We get it YOU think realignment of divisions is a bad idea. The NFL didn't think so when they did it in 02 and came up with the new scheduling system(which I know you love) and still protect your precious rivalries. Who's to say they don't do it again when new teams join the league or broke teams disband. We get it YOU think realignment of divisions is a bad idea. So how do you feel about the Giants switching places with the Jets? not how there travel plans might change but how the two divisions would change. This proves exactly how stupid you are. The NFL changed the divisions for actual reasons in that scenario. They changed them based on the new, round number of teams (since they had 32, they could have eight divisions of four teams), and based on region. It made sense. It wasn't a change that was made all willy-nilly, spur of the moment, as you're suggesting. You've yet to provide a single reason that it would be a good idea to change divisions. All you keep saying is that you want input, and now you're getting mad because your idea sucks, and I'm no longer being nice about it. Swapping the two teams would be stupid. What point would it serve? None. Absolutely none. The only thing it would do is, potentially, keep the Patriots from being division winners as often as they are, because the Giants seemingly outplay them every time they play. But what good is that, except to irritate one of the NFL's most fervent fan bases? How about this, you give a single (1) reason that they should rotate divisions. So far, you've given zero (0), so how about you try for one. Then you can come back all snippy at people who don't like your fucking idiotic posts. No one has been supportive of your idea, but you keep responding directly to me, so you're seeing more of my posts. Give a reason, or YOU stop posting about it. On October 24 2012 16:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I have no idea what you're trying to say. He's not actually saying anything. Just a bunch of posts saying "WHAT IF! LOZL!" WHAT IF THE WHOLE WORLD ERUPTED IN A BALL OF FIRE AND THERE WERE NO PRO FOOTBALL PLAYERS LEFT AND THE NFL HAD TO USE SCRUBS OFF THE STREET?! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTT IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFFFFFFFFFFFF. (Never mind the obvious point that the ENTIRE WORLD IS ON FIRE and there are probably no people left... irrelevant details!) The point is, what he's talking about is not possible (shifting divisions and maintaining the same level of rivalry), he's just unable to figure that out. [Edited to make it a little bit nicer, I get the impression that thuricaine is young, thus the lack of logical reasoning. Hopefully, instead of posting dumb shit all the time, he'll start to actually read some posts here and learn something about football.] You must be a peach to be around. Everyone of your post have said the same thing, bad idea don't mess with rivalries. Instead of being a dick and saying the same shit over and over why not be constructive maybe improve on the idea. Use your imagination, this was never about scheduling or rivalries it was actually quite simple. So before you over analyze everything I will make it simple. EA has come up with a formula that will allow you in next years madden to "create your own divisions" scheduling done for you. How would you setup your divisions in the video game. Yeah, I'm actually pretty fucking awesome to be around: most people love me. How about instead of asking other people to be creative with ideas on how we'd rearrange divisions (which no one wants to do), you come up with something other than "what if?" Your concept necessarily changes both scheduling and rivalries. Since you can't understand what this means, here is the definition of necessarily: As a necessary result; inevitably. So your proposition forces a change of scheduling, which forces a change in the amount of games the current, long-standing rivals get to play against each other. The answer to your question about how I would rearrange the divisions (which is not your original question): I wouldn't. To reiterate, here is your original question (with corrected grammar): "What if every four years the NFL mixed up divisions?" Do you see how that question above is not, "if you had the option to change divisions around, how would you arrange them?" Show nested quote +Words have meanings; if you meant to ask what we would do if we had the ability to arrange divisions ourselves, you should have asked that. You should not have asked what the impact (which is what if means) of the NFL shifting divisions around would be; that is what your initial question asked, and that is why I kept repeating the same answer, because until this post, you never changed your question. And again, to answer the new question: I probably wouldn't change anything.
The OP was about FANTASY DIVISIONS and how you would set them up reason why i brought madden into it. The 4 year thing was just one of the idea's bouncing around in the conversation and was the first thing that popped into my head writing the OP. People need to get over this idea of rivalries every game is a rivalry, I would rather see the Patriots vs Giants every couples years than any of there divisional games. You definitely could have made that more clear, if you hadn't typed it as a what if scenario for the NFL. I hope you learned something today.
I don't know if you went back and read my OP but i clearly asked how some one else would set up divisions. You missed that and only saw "OMG every 4 years realignment" and wanted to talk the logistics(scheduling and rivalries) and that when the trolling started. I learn something everyday, after 11000 posts you should have learned when you are getting trolled. You called me young and stupid so that makes you what old and mature? How much time have you invested in those 11000 posts? How many other forums do you have 10k plus posts? Where they worth it? Tell me the truth people can't stand to be around you can they? You should change your sig quote because you have no idea what it means.
Real question why are you so adamant about rivalries? If tomorrow you found out your favorite rivalry will never play again are you going to stop watching and buying tickets to games?
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Heh whoops, should have put Shayne in front of Graham there...
The league is usually solid. I just made sure to pick on the new guy (ridley for white) and the perennial loser for that most recent trade
yahoo projects me to lose one game the rest of the season haha. Now if only I could unfuck the clusterfuck that is my TL team...
thuracine why dont you go make a stupid thread for your awful idea/concept/brain diarrhea and stop cluttering up the NFL thread
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Finally, national proof that the Vikings actually suck and got lucky those first few games...
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Just great. Guess which player the guy i'm up against in FF has to start off the week. D_ _ G MA_ T_ _N.
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On October 26 2012 11:30 Cornstyle wrote:
Finally, national proof that the Vikings actually suck and got lucky those first few games...
You can't get 5 wins in your first 7 games with just luck in the NFL. Don't be so dismissive.
The only reason Minnesota lost is because they knew I put money on them. In a way, I control almost every outcome of all NFL games. The curse is that I can't profit from this power; I must actually lose money to influence scores.
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On October 25 2012 21:57 thuracine wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 12:25 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On October 25 2012 06:28 thuracine wrote:On October 24 2012 22:23 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On October 24 2012 15:08 thuracine wrote:On October 24 2012 13:53 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:On October 24 2012 12:57 thuracine wrote:On October 24 2012 11:58 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:
And you keep getting input. Why do you ask for input, then get all defensive and say "I just wanted input from others." That's what you're getting.
Your question "What if every 4 years the NFL would mix up divisions?"
Changing divisions necessarily changes the scheduling of the NFL (i.e. you wouldn't play rivalry teams twice per season any longer). That's the point of divisions, and division winners. They play each other twice to determine the best team by trying to negate home field advantage (that's why they each get one home game out of the two possible games). What is it that you don't understand about this? Realigning divisions necessarily changes the way the NFL is scheduled. In other words, WHAT I SAID BEFORE: It would destroy the established rivalries in the NFL.
You've been given precisely what you asked for several times by several people, except we went farther, and tried to be nice, but you don't seem to be grasping that. The idea was stupid. . DUMB. FUCKING. IDEA. Unless your real question is to ask "How could we rig the NFL so the lowly Lions don't look so lowly any longer?" You must have stepped on a lego. The only input you have given is that its a bad idea and would destroy rivalries. Instead of jumping all over me and saying how bad of a idea it is why not ignore my posts and save yourself the stress and time. I wasn't interested in if it was a good or bad idea, more of "I am tired of seeing the same teams in the playoffs every year and how those teams would do in another division". You know playing the "What If" game and you took it like I was trying to reconstruct how the nfl schedules the teams. Maybe your next post will be " I hate those Patriots, Jets and Giants should switch divisions so Brady has to deal with them twice a year". But most likely going to be another post about my terrible idea or maybe just no response at all. Here's an idea: If you don't actually want input on your "what if" idea, don't ask for it. I addressed your scenario exactly as it was asked to be addressed, and did so in a rather polite manner the first time. I'm not the one that's not reading things here, or lacking comprehension of what was posted. On the contrary, I am addressing precisely the question that was asked. Realignment of divisions in any way is a generally bad idea. That is my input on this, and you keep trying to defend your idea, saying you aren't talking about the way the NFL schedules, while ignoring everything else that I'm posting. I.E. That changing divisions necessarily changes scheduling, so it's a valid point of discussion. Furthermore, if your problem is that you're tired of seeing the same teams in the playoffs (who knows why you're upset about that, as it has literally nothing to do with divisional alignment, and more to do with incompetency in power positions for teams [see Jerry Jones]), changing scheduling is EXACTLY what you're suggesting. "How would teams fair in another division" is basically the same thing as saying "I wish they had to play different teams more often," which is a change to scheduling, which destroys the long-standing rivalries the NFL has built. Instead of getting defensive about a bad idea, how about you think before posting, or just don't post at all? I vote for the latter, because so far, all of your posts are terrible. Honestly, I keep repeating myself like it's going to sink in at some point, but you're either unwilling to read what I'm actually saying (dismissing it as if I have not addressed your ludicrous idea), or you just don't actually understand the implications of your scenario. I don't know, or particularly care, which one it is. It's like you just want to say what you want to say, and not have anyone respond critically to your idea. Or maybe you're just fighting for the last word, for some sort of moral victory. If that's the case, have it. We get it YOU think realignment of divisions is a bad idea. The NFL didn't think so when they did it in 02 and came up with the new scheduling system(which I know you love) and still protect your precious rivalries. Who's to say they don't do it again when new teams join the league or broke teams disband. We get it YOU think realignment of divisions is a bad idea. So how do you feel about the Giants switching places with the Jets? not how there travel plans might change but how the two divisions would change. This proves exactly how stupid you are. The NFL changed the divisions for actual reasons in that scenario. They changed them based on the new, round number of teams (since they had 32, they could have eight divisions of four teams), and based on region. It made sense. It wasn't a change that was made all willy-nilly, spur of the moment, as you're suggesting. You've yet to provide a single reason that it would be a good idea to change divisions. All you keep saying is that you want input, and now you're getting mad because your idea sucks, and I'm no longer being nice about it. Swapping the two teams would be stupid. What point would it serve? None. Absolutely none. The only thing it would do is, potentially, keep the Patriots from being division winners as often as they are, because the Giants seemingly outplay them every time they play. But what good is that, except to irritate one of the NFL's most fervent fan bases? How about this, you give a single (1) reason that they should rotate divisions. So far, you've given zero (0), so how about you try for one. Then you can come back all snippy at people who don't like your fucking idiotic posts. No one has been supportive of your idea, but you keep responding directly to me, so you're seeing more of my posts. Give a reason, or YOU stop posting about it. On October 24 2012 16:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I have no idea what you're trying to say. He's not actually saying anything. Just a bunch of posts saying "WHAT IF! LOZL!" WHAT IF THE WHOLE WORLD ERUPTED IN A BALL OF FIRE AND THERE WERE NO PRO FOOTBALL PLAYERS LEFT AND THE NFL HAD TO USE SCRUBS OFF THE STREET?! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTT IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFFFFFFFFFFFF. (Never mind the obvious point that the ENTIRE WORLD IS ON FIRE and there are probably no people left... irrelevant details!) The point is, what he's talking about is not possible (shifting divisions and maintaining the same level of rivalry), he's just unable to figure that out. [Edited to make it a little bit nicer, I get the impression that thuricaine is young, thus the lack of logical reasoning. Hopefully, instead of posting dumb shit all the time, he'll start to actually read some posts here and learn something about football.] You must be a peach to be around. Everyone of your post have said the same thing, bad idea don't mess with rivalries. Instead of being a dick and saying the same shit over and over why not be constructive maybe improve on the idea. Use your imagination, this was never about scheduling or rivalries it was actually quite simple. So before you over analyze everything I will make it simple. EA has come up with a formula that will allow you in next years madden to "create your own divisions" scheduling done for you. How would you setup your divisions in the video game. Yeah, I'm actually pretty fucking awesome to be around: most people love me. How about instead of asking other people to be creative with ideas on how we'd rearrange divisions (which no one wants to do), you come up with something other than "what if?" Your concept necessarily changes both scheduling and rivalries. Since you can't understand what this means, here is the definition of necessarily: As a necessary result; inevitably. So your proposition forces a change of scheduling, which forces a change in the amount of games the current, long-standing rivals get to play against each other. The answer to your question about how I would rearrange the divisions (which is not your original question): I wouldn't. To reiterate, here is your original question (with corrected grammar): "What if every four years the NFL mixed up divisions?" Do you see how that question above is not, "if you had the option to change divisions around, how would you arrange them?" Words have meanings; if you meant to ask what we would do if we had the ability to arrange divisions ourselves, you should have asked that. You should not have asked what the impact (which is what if means) of the NFL shifting divisions around would be; that is what your initial question asked, and that is why I kept repeating the same answer, because until this post, you never changed your question. And again, to answer the new question: I probably wouldn't change anything.
The OP was about FANTASY DIVISIONS and how you would set them up reason why i brought madden into it. The 4 year thing was just one of the idea's bouncing around in the conversation and was the first thing that popped into my head writing the OP. People need to get over this idea of rivalries every game is a rivalry, I would rather see the Patriots vs Giants every couples years than any of there divisional games. You definitely could have made that more clear, if you hadn't typed it as a what if scenario for the NFL. I hope you learned something today. I don't know if you went back and read my OP but i clearly asked how some one else would set up divisions. You missed that and only saw "OMG every 4 years realignment" and wanted to talk the logistics(scheduling and rivalries) and that when the trolling started. I learn something everyday, after 11000 posts you should have learned when you are getting trolled. You called me young and stupid so that makes you what old and mature? How much time have you invested in those 11000 posts? How many other forums do you have 10k plus posts? Where they worth it? Tell me the truth people can't stand to be around you can they? You should change your sig quote because you have no idea what it means. Real question why are you so adamant about rivalries? If tomorrow you found out your favorite rivalry will never play again are you going to stop watching and buying tickets to games?
I've answered your question several times, no matter how you want to look at it. I wouldn't change anything: it's a really stupid idea. The NFL would also recognize that it's a stupid idea, and not do it. If they suggested it, there would be massive backlash from their customer base, and they would snap out of the idea. Your entire question is predicated on the NFL making an idiotic decision, which they would not do, which is the part I chose to respond to. Everyone, literally every single person has agreed that it's a stupid concept, and no one wants to answer because of that.
To answer your other questions: zero forums. I've been coming here off and on since 2003, and post an average of 3.27 posts per day. Looks like I spend loads of time here, huh? You know that there's a button on this forum that would have told you that, so your insults would look less retarded. I don't believe I ever called you stupid; I called your idea stupid. They aren't the same thing, but I'm glad to see that you agree that you're stupid. You aren't trolling. If this is trolling, this is the worst trolling I've ever seen. I'm not even mad. I think I've invested probably 30-45 minutes responding to you, most of which I was paid to do (Because I have a job, and post while I work). I'm unsure what "[w]here they worth it?" means. If you meant "were they worth it?" Then probably most of them are, yes. The NFL discussion is where probably the majority came from, and there are about five people on the forum that have had solid opinions over the years. Most of them are people who are new to the sport, or, like you, don't know anything about football and post stupid ideas that no one likes. People very seriously love me. I wonder why you're so interested in my personal life, but I'm glad to know that you think I'm an interesting person, and would like to get to know me. It's good that such a young, foolish person is mature enough to admit that he's learned something, and to want to get to know his tutor better.
Rivalries are what makes the game fun to watch. Liking my team is great, but disliking other teams is even better. I may not stop watching entirely, but I would watch significantly less. If you had any friends, you would probably know that rivalry games draw massive interest, which often brings groups of friends together. My friends and I often get together for Bears/Packers parties twice a year (as in, it happens most years, but sometimes real life gets in the way). The Bears fans and Packers fans come together and talk shit the entire game about why the other team is gay and sucks. It's unfortunate that you only have one, mildly retarded friend who comes up with stupid ideas with you. I suppose it's the loneliness of you and your friend that drive you to come up with wild scenarios to entertain yourselves. It's nice that you spend your time with the mentally handicapped though; I wish I had more time for volunteer work, because it's really great to know that you've positively effected other people's lives. That's why I'm so grateful for this discussion: it's really fantastic to help a young person out. It's unfortunate that the internet is a poor medium for assisting social skills, as I would love to see you have more than your single friend some day.
On October 25 2012 23:36 QuanticHawk wrote:
Heh whoops, should have put Shayne in front of Graham there...
The league is usually solid. I just made sure to pick on the new guy (ridley for white) and the perennial loser for that most recent trade
yahoo projects me to lose one game the rest of the season haha. Now if only I could unfuck the clusterfuck that is my TL team...
thuracine why dont you go make a stupid thread for your awful idea/concept/brain diarrhea and stop cluttering up the NFL thread
Rolling two kickers? Really? That's a pretty nasty team that you've put together. I showed a coworker your roster and his response was "how the fuck did he manage that?" Haha.
On October 26 2012 11:30 Cornstyle wrote:
Finally, national proof that the Vikings actually suck and got lucky those first few games...
Yeah, they're really not all that good, are they? I was never sold on the team. The defense is good, but everything was based on the D dominating, and Ponder not making mistakes. But the D isn't really dominant, they didn't add any real talent in the off season, it seems. There's just not enough offensive talent on this team. I'm not sure what Ponder is, or what he'll ever really turn into, but he needs more talent to throw the ball to. As nice as Percy Harvin is, he's not a game breaking WR. Stacking nine in the box, and forcing Ponder to beat the defense makes it easy for two reasons, imo. 1) It chokes up the running game a lot. 2) Many of their passes are short passes, and behind the LOS passes to Harvin, so there's no reason to respect any down field threats. I'm a bit surprised that they don't try to involve Jerome Simpson down the field more often. I don't know if Ponder is to blame for lack of production in the passing game, or poor play calling. Based on what I saw last season, and the little I've seen this year, Fraizer's schemes are not very good on offense. Something is going to have to change quickly though, because if they keep sticking with the 49'ers plan, it's not going to work well for them. I haven't ever believed Fraizer was really the man for the job. Imo, his interim role wasn't impressive, and last year was certainly unimpressive. I don't think they'll win many more games this season, maybe two or three at the most. (As I type this, Ponder threw a pathetic interception to end the game... maybe poor throws are the real reason they don't go down field more.)
On October 26 2012 12:42 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 11:30 Cornstyle wrote:
Finally, national proof that the Vikings actually suck and got lucky those first few games... You can't get 5 wins in your first 7 games with just luck in the NFL. Don't be so dismissive. The only reason Minnesota lost is because they knew I put money on them. In a way, I control almost every outcome of all NFL games. The curse is that I can't profit from this power; I must actually lose money to influence scores.
The Cardinals did a pretty nice job of winning a lot of games based on luck. Cupcake opponents (Jacksonville/Tennessee), above their head play from the D and a bad game from the Niners, a team that beats themselves so no one else needs to (Detroit), and a lack of offense (Cardinals) = 5 wins. I think they'll be hard pressed to make it to eight wins this season.
Your curse sounds an awful lot like Mike Greenberg's curse.
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Yeah. I like Graham and didn't wanna lose him while he's on bye and I had no one else I wanted on fa/waivers so i just took him
I got 44 pts for Martin in my one league bc I forgot that he played for me last week and I didn't set my roster. He would have never started over Mccoy/Lynch ahhahahahahahahhaahahah
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-5 points on the Vikings defense this week. They scored 17 points last week and -1 the week before. I think this defense specializes on feasting on shitty offensive teams. I probably should've took the espn projections' advice and started the Chargers defense instead.
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Yeah why on earth wouldn't you start Chargers against Cleveland with TRichards dinged up??? TB isn't anything special, but they certainly have enough on offense to do damage.
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On October 26 2012 12:31 Damiani wrote:
Just great. Guess which player the guy i'm up against in FF has to start off the week. D_ _ G MA_ T_ _N.
Same story.. and I played Minn D 
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Who the hell overrates Romo?? His own fanbase hates him. If anything, he is underrated.
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