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On October 17 2012 02:57 Ferrose wrote:
The wording is that Holmgren is retiring at the end of the season, not that he was fired.
Though whether or not it was his choice remains to be seen.
Everything I have heard so far (while unofficial I believe) is that the new head man will be taking over all of Holgren's stuff pretty much immediately. So while Holgren is still there, he is basically a dead man walking and has zero authority.
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Someone offered me Alfred Morris and Malcom Floyd for my Frank Gore and James Jones. I think this is a serious downgrade for me =/ But for some reason i am tempted by it. What kind of counter offer should i make?
It is 1 ppr. Start 3 wide receivers 2 rbs 1 te. No flex.
My team:
QB: Tony Romo, Joe Flacco
WR: Victor Cruz, Steve Smith, Stevie Johnson, James Jones, Brian Hartline
RB: Arian Foster, Ryan Mathews, Frank Gore, Ben Tate
TE: Tony Gonzalez, M. Bennett
His team:
QB: Aaron Rodgers
WR: Roddy White, Reggie Wayne, Hakeem Nicks, Malcom Floyd, Kenny Britt
RB: Jamaal Charles, Maurice Jones-Drew, Alfred Morris, Fred Jackson, Vick Ballard
TE: Jimmy Graham, Fred Davis
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On October 17 2012 03:29 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 01:22 GTR wrote:On October 16 2012 23:43 BloodNinja wrote:Well the first coach has been fired this season: Eagles fire Juan Castillo http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8511166/juan-castillo-fired-philadelphia-eaglesGranted its a D-coordinator, but its still the first in-season coaching shakeup. I also get the feeling this just might be the end of the line for Andy Reid as well (unless the Eagles really turn this season around and make a serious playoff run). Vick won't be coming back too if they fail to make the playoffs (again). Can't believe they gave him so much guaranteed money when his only useful tool (his ability out of the pocket) has already vanished due to his age. To be fair when they first picked up vick after prison, they got a first string-tier quarterback for less than a rookie contract. Vick may not have the same legs as before, but he's still a strong QB, better than average first string QBs. Also, fuck Norv Turner, and Charger's oline. It's hard to be a Chargers fan (and yes, i'm still butt hurt).
Who cares what they got him for initially. It's the uber-elite contract they gave him afterwards after he had 1 good season. It's practically unacceptable. Eagles are a total joke of an organization and have been for years. They are my home team but I root for them to lose every game because the faster Reid and Vick are gone the faster they can just reset the team.
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Gore for morris is no difference really so its basically james jones for malcom floyd which while greg jennings is still out I wouldnt go near jones has way too much upside.
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So do you think I should do it? Alfred Morris has an easier schedule towards the end.
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Why would you do it? It's basically a wash trade. There is no point at all to that trade for either team.
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What do you think a good trade would be for me to counter with?
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On October 16 2012 22:18 QuanticHawk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 15:27 Southlight wrote:Coincides with Gates' injury woes, by the way. Coinkydinky, or not?  eh he was nicked up in 2010 as well when rivers had his best year to date rivers has a dogshit line again this year, and mediocre talent at wideout. also I wanna say Sproles had a lot to do with it but matthews is also very good out of the backfield. it's more line and meh wideouts than anything.
Except that Matthews is also hurt all the time, so he doesn't really count for anything.
On October 17 2012 03:29 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 01:22 GTR wrote:On October 16 2012 23:43 BloodNinja wrote:Well the first coach has been fired this season: Eagles fire Juan Castillo http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8511166/juan-castillo-fired-philadelphia-eaglesGranted its a D-coordinator, but its still the first in-season coaching shakeup. I also get the feeling this just might be the end of the line for Andy Reid as well (unless the Eagles really turn this season around and make a serious playoff run). Vick won't be coming back too if they fail to make the playoffs (again). Can't believe they gave him so much guaranteed money when his only useful tool (his ability out of the pocket) has already vanished due to his age. To be fair when they first picked up vick after prison, they got a first string-tier quarterback for less than a rookie contract. Vick may not have the same legs as before, but he's still a strong QB, better than average first string QBs. Also, fuck Norv Turner, and Charger's oline. It's hard to be a Chargers fan (and yes, i'm still butt hurt).
Do you watch football? I ask because Vick has never been an above average in any way except as a runner. His whole career is based on hype from idiot fans and pundits who got caught up in the excitement that he brought to the field. Reid, in his arrogance (which he most certainly is very arrogant), thought he could do something with a far below average thrower, and an above average runner. For about 18 games it looked this way, because teams hadn't seen the type of speed that Vick brought to the game in some time. Couple that with the fact that he's got a cannon for an arm, and he had two young, fast WR's, he was able to launch the ball down field while teams were confused on how to defend his running ability. His medium distance passes were horribly inaccurate, even in that incredible season he had two years ago. The team lived off of Andy Reid's ridiculously streaky offense, which utilizes nothing but deep passes and screens. Reid's entire offensive system is broken, but he's too bullheaded to recognize it. If he weren't so smug, he'd be pounding the ball with one of the league's top half backs with a 10 point lead in the fourth quarter... but he's a fat, smug, walrus of a coach. The problems in Philly have always started there. All those years of great defenses with the offense constantly letting everyone down... Reid's fault. They should have a couple of rings, and probably would have, if they ever ran the ball. But he's so high on his horse that he thinks his offensive system is above everyone if only it were executed properly, and he fails to see his own shortcomings (sound like some former OC named Martz to anyone?). If the Eagles ever want success, Reid needs to go, and so does Vick.
On October 17 2012 03:52 rod- wrote:
ahhhhhhhhhhh what a shit game last night.. Don't know if it was us or broncos that changed the most going out of the halftime brake.
The Broncos. They've done the same thing to every team they've played this year. To even consider, for a moment, that it wasn't the Broncos begs the question above about watching football. The Chargers certainly didn't help themselves, but it was strong play from the Broncos that began the downfall of the Chargers.
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Peyton coming out of the locker room having apparently completely figuring out the Chargers defense and activating Robo-Manning didn't hurt. The guy was basically fucking perfect in the second half.
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First time I double posted. Had a nice streak going on..
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On October 17 2012 08:48 SolaR- wrote:
What do you think a good trade would be for me to counter with?
I would go with Martellus Bennet and Ben Tate for one of his tight ends and a running back (I'll just say Fred Davis and Jamaal Charles or Fred Jackson). Mostly because you have Arian Foster and unless he gets hurt, will continue to produce, and the fact that Eli Manning has practically forgotten about Bennet since week 3. But, that might just be me. I feel like it seems legitimate but could definitely be a huge steal for you at the same time.
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Man in all the monotony of the Eagles being terrible as usual as a franchise I didn't realize they were 31st in PPG this year. Castillo needed to be fired, but he isn't the only one...
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On October 17 2012 13:46 DannyJ wrote:
Man in all the monotony of the Eagles being terrible as usual as a franchise I didn't realize they were 31st in PPG this year. Castillo needed to be fired, but he isn't the only one...
The day that Reid made him the DC should have been his last. What an idiot.
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On October 17 2012 13:31 Rkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 08:48 SolaR- wrote:
What do you think a good trade would be for me to counter with? I would go with Martellus Bennet and Ben Tate for one of his tight ends and a running back (I'll just say Fred Davis and Jamaal Charles or Fred Jackson). Mostly because you have Arian Foster and unless he gets hurt, will continue to produce, and the fact that Eli Manning has practically forgotten about Bennet since week 3. But, that might just be me. I feel like it seems legitimate but could definitely be a huge steal for you at the same time.
Ben Tate is pretty much trash, I'd cut him unless someone's dumb enough to use one of their roster spots on him in a trade, but if you can trick someone into over-valuing him, go for it, I guess.
Fred Davis hasn't really been that good, I'd actually stick with Bennet over him. Yes, his scoring has dropped off majorly as of the last three games, but that's in no small part because none of the last three teams the Giants faced had a corner competent enough to cover Cruz (besides Asomugha who was recovering from injury). Cruz has been sucking up all the points the past few weeks (17.3 avg compared to 11.3 in the first few weeks), and once the Giants start hitting stronger secondaries (and/or defenses treat Cruz with the permanent safety help he deserves), Bennet will start opening up underneath again.
I would caution against trading for Jamaal Charles, he's been nothing but a gigantic fucking impossible-to-predict headache for me all season. 14.27 PPG (standard scoring) sounds good on paper, but when you consider that half the time he's averaged 5.2 PPG and the other half he's averaged 23.34 it's really hard to feel comfortable playing him. If you feel like you have a strong team and you can risk throwing a coinflip into your lineup, go for it, but I'm personally of the opinion that consistency is more important than upside potential if you're trying to build a solid foundation for your team.
Fred Jackson is also iffy... CJ Spiller has been doing a remarkable job even as a backup (he's averaged out better than Jackson for the three games they've shared carries and was outstanding when he was the solo back), and I think it's going to be a gradual process of Buffalo's staff recognizing how much of a weapon he is. You also have to consider that he spent most of last year and half of this year on the bench... dude's old, it's probably his last season, and there's a new dog in town that's outperforming him. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jackson become the change-of-pace back instead of Spiller.
edit: I should add after all that bullshit I spewed that if they'll take Bennet/Tate for Davis/Charles or Davis/Jackson you should absolutely do it and not look back, which probably sounds contradictory but w/e
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On October 17 2012 14:47 corpuscle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 13:31 Rkie wrote:On October 17 2012 08:48 SolaR- wrote:
What do you think a good trade would be for me to counter with? I would go with Martellus Bennet and Ben Tate for one of his tight ends and a running back (I'll just say Fred Davis and Jamaal Charles or Fred Jackson). Mostly because you have Arian Foster and unless he gets hurt, will continue to produce, and the fact that Eli Manning has practically forgotten about Bennet since week 3. But, that might just be me. I feel like it seems legitimate but could definitely be a huge steal for you at the same time. Ben Tate is pretty much trash, I'd cut him unless someone's dumb enough to use one of their roster spots on him in a trade, but if you can trick someone into over-valuing him, go for it, I guess. Fred Davis hasn't really been that good, I'd actually stick with Bennet over him. Yes, his scoring has dropped off majorly as of the last three games, but that's in no small part because none of the last three teams the Giants faced had a corner competent enough to cover Cruz (besides Asomugha who was recovering from injury). Cruz has been sucking up all the points the past few weeks (17.3 avg compared to 11.3 in the first few weeks), and once the Giants start hitting stronger secondaries (and/or defenses treat Cruz with the permanent safety help he deserves), Bennet will start opening up underneath again. I would caution against trading for Jamaal Charles, he's been nothing but a gigantic fucking impossible-to-predict headache for me all season. 14.27 PPG (standard scoring) sounds good on paper, but when you consider that half the time he's averaged 5.2 PPG and the other half he's averaged 23.34 it's really hard to feel comfortable playing him. If you feel like you have a strong team and you can risk throwing a coinflip into your lineup, go for it, but I'm personally of the opinion that consistency is more important than upside potential if you're trying to build a solid foundation for your team. Fred Jackson is also iffy... CJ Spiller has been doing a remarkable job even as a backup (he's averaged out better than Jackson for the three games they've shared carries and was outstanding when he was the solo back), and I think it's going to be a gradual process of Buffalo's staff recognizing how much of a weapon he is. You also have to consider that he spent most of last year and half of this year on the bench... dude's old, it's probably his last season, and there's a new dog in town that's outperforming him. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jackson become the change-of-pace back instead of Spiller. edit: I should add after all that bullshit I spewed that if they'll take Bennet/Tate for Davis/Charles or Davis/Jackson you should absolutely do it and not look back, which probably sounds contradictory but w/e
This is solid advice. Good research and everything. I'd would listen to this, if I were you, SolaR-.
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Yeah i agree with all that fantasy advice. Charles is annoying. It is that offense though and not him. Charles on a even decent team... jesus. He's like CJ2K, except not lazy and dumb as shit. Jackson is definitely an upgrade too.
Also I totally agree SL on Vick and Reid. Fuck Vick forever.
The Iggles definitely would have had at least one title if Reid wasn't such an idiot with playcalling sometimes. Which is interesting because he occasionally works magic (see: making it seem like Vick was anything beyond average). He just has no fucking clue what to do when his gameplan gets matched. He can't adapt. He also refuses to use Shady, who is nasty.
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On October 17 2012 15:15 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 14:47 corpuscle wrote:On October 17 2012 13:31 Rkie wrote:On October 17 2012 08:48 SolaR- wrote:
What do you think a good trade would be for me to counter with? I would go with Martellus Bennet and Ben Tate for one of his tight ends and a running back (I'll just say Fred Davis and Jamaal Charles or Fred Jackson). Mostly because you have Arian Foster and unless he gets hurt, will continue to produce, and the fact that Eli Manning has practically forgotten about Bennet since week 3. But, that might just be me. I feel like it seems legitimate but could definitely be a huge steal for you at the same time. Ben Tate is pretty much trash, I'd cut him unless someone's dumb enough to use one of their roster spots on him in a trade, but if you can trick someone into over-valuing him, go for it, I guess. Fred Davis hasn't really been that good, I'd actually stick with Bennet over him. Yes, his scoring has dropped off majorly as of the last three games, but that's in no small part because none of the last three teams the Giants faced had a corner competent enough to cover Cruz (besides Asomugha who was recovering from injury). Cruz has been sucking up all the points the past few weeks (17.3 avg compared to 11.3 in the first few weeks), and once the Giants start hitting stronger secondaries (and/or defenses treat Cruz with the permanent safety help he deserves), Bennet will start opening up underneath again. I would caution against trading for Jamaal Charles, he's been nothing but a gigantic fucking impossible-to-predict headache for me all season. 14.27 PPG (standard scoring) sounds good on paper, but when you consider that half the time he's averaged 5.2 PPG and the other half he's averaged 23.34 it's really hard to feel comfortable playing him. If you feel like you have a strong team and you can risk throwing a coinflip into your lineup, go for it, but I'm personally of the opinion that consistency is more important than upside potential if you're trying to build a solid foundation for your team. Fred Jackson is also iffy... CJ Spiller has been doing a remarkable job even as a backup (he's averaged out better than Jackson for the three games they've shared carries and was outstanding when he was the solo back), and I think it's going to be a gradual process of Buffalo's staff recognizing how much of a weapon he is. You also have to consider that he spent most of last year and half of this year on the bench... dude's old, it's probably his last season, and there's a new dog in town that's outperforming him. I wouldn't be surprised to see Jackson become the change-of-pace back instead of Spiller. edit: I should add after all that bullshit I spewed that if they'll take Bennet/Tate for Davis/Charles or Davis/Jackson you should absolutely do it and not look back, which probably sounds contradictory but w/e This is solid advice. Good research and everything. I'd would listen to this, if I were you, SolaR-.
Im not sure where Bennet ranks among TEs. But also keep in mind Nicks has been out is now back from injury. So while Cruz's targets may drop, I would expect a good sized chunk of those are going to go to Nicks.
As for Fred Davis, I think the his biggest issue right now is that he isnt seeing many red zone targets. On the flip side, with Garcon out (and it doesnt look like Garcon will play much this season with his gimpy foot), Davis is leading the team in targets, receptions, and yards which should continue for the season.
Edit - In all honesty I think Davis and Bennet can finish the season with roughyl the same amount of points. I jsut think Davis will get you the steady grind of points while Bennet will provide a boom/bust every week.
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James Jones, he will get more looks because finley is not upto par and jennings is injured, but speaking just for fantasy, hes very hit and miss with the points.
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The Eagles might even have a title if Reid hired a competent assistant coach to call timeouts for him. And maybe more if said assistant coach can do the clock management as well. Garrett is similarly stupid. How can a Princeton grad not be able to figure out how to run more than one play with 20+ seconds remaining and one timeout?
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On October 18 2012 00:56 andrewlt wrote:
Garrett is similarly stupid. How can a Princeton grad not be able to figure out how to run more than one play with 20+ seconds remaining and one timeout?
That's the part that bothers me the most about that play last week. I know Dez (and maybe others as well) were trying to get the ref to give Dez the forward progress and a better spot. Which resulted in the team not lining up for the next play like they should have. But as the coach you gotta take the initiative and call the timeout yourself and get your team back in order.
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