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VENDIZ
1575 Posts
On December 12 2011 02:14 Xeris wrote: Hakeem ... No superstar wtf Hoyston is blessed You should start quoting, because that didn't make all too much sense by itself... .. and I agree, saying the Rockets never had a superstar is retarded.. Hakeem "The Dream", Clyde Drexler, Elvin Hayes, Rick Barry, Yao Ming, Charles Barkley, Moses Malone... the list goes on. | ||
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billy5000
United States865 Posts
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ChezGod
United States590 Posts
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TheMusiC
United States1054 Posts
On December 12 2011 02:38 VENDIZ wrote: You should start quoting, because that didn't make all too much sense by itself... .. and I agree, saying the Rockets never had a superstar is retarded.. Hakeem "The Dream", Clyde Drexler, Elvin Hayes, Rick Barry, Yao Ming, Charles Barkley, Moses Malone... the list goes on. pretty sure xeris was drunk when he wrote those posts | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 12 2011 04:31 billy5000 wrote: holy..perkins lost 32lb over the offseason Im not even sure if thats a good thing. | ||
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HerbalTylenol
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VENDIZ
1575 Posts
- the Knicks have re-signed Jared Jeffries, their two draft picks, aswell as Mike Bibby - David West is going to Indiana, a really nice addition for the Pacers - Portland Trail Blazers signed Kurt Thomas (unfortunate for me, as I loved Big Sexeh in Chicago)  - Odom is being dealt to the Mavs (however, there is no word on how close they are to a deal) | ||
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Rikke
Germany302 Posts
- Odom is being dealt to the Mavs (however, there is no word on how close they are to a deal) Deal is done since Friday! | ||
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VENDIZ
1575 Posts
What? You sure it's finalized? In a stunning development late Saturday night, the three-team talks between the Lakers, Rockets and Hornets that would have sent Chris Paul to Los Angeles collapsed, with the Lakers moving toward trading Lamar Odom instead to the Dallas Mavericks. Odom would be placed into the new traded player exception the Mavericks received earlier Saturday when they completed a three-team trade with New York and Washington that sent Tyson Chandler to the Knicks and Ronny Turiaf to the Wizards. Taken from NBA.com | ||
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
chicago looking veyr strong! but man, houston can't get anyone, looks like memphis will match everything | ||
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zeehar
Korea (South)3804 Posts
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On December 12 2011 09:14 zeehar wrote: pacers get david west on a short-term deal! oh yeah XD great pick up for the pacers definitely. still don't understand the odom offload by the lakers...if they don't get dwight then all for nothing. memphis said they'll match the offer sheet from houston for marc, jordan has signed with GSW, only nene left for the rockets...urghhhhhh | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13536 Posts
The deal is ok, but he's 31 and coming off major knee surgery. Don't know where it really leaves the Pacers. | ||
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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
So the rest of the CBA is going to be a bunch of superteams. I hope it's Lebron/Wade/Bosh, Carmelo/Amare/Paul (inferior except Paul), Deron/Howard. Bulls would have to trade for a top ten player, it's really too soon to tell with the Clippers. They have Blake and a bunch of promising talent/players, which is pretty much the bulls. I thought Blake played like an allstar candidate at the beginning of last season, but he hasn't showed signs of being a hall of famer/mvp candidate. So I'm going to wait until he raises his game before calling the clippers the team of the future. | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
In both cases, the parties trading with the Hornets were/are offering them significantly better offers than anyone else in the league, and the Hornets would be doing the best for themselves with what they had. That's what all teams who have star players who have made it clear that they want out had to deal with since forever, and it's a natural result of how the CBA works. Stern coming in and nixing trades is creating an artificial tool/factor in the equation that would not normally be there, and giving the Hornets an advantage that no other team has. Complete bullshit. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Instead of being so upset at Stern look at how bad that deal was for New Orleans. Dell Demps would have set the franchise back 2 years with no promising picks and talent to show for it. Now they are dealing with the Clippers again because they have loads of young talent AND a 2012 top-5 lottery pick which is more valuable than what Houston and LA were giving them. | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
As a result, (1) the Lakers were forced to give Odom away for nothing since he demanded a trade (entirely because of the Paul trade that was supposed to, and should have, gone through); (2) there's a chance the Lakers will be forced to play Pau who will certainly be negatively affected by the fact that he was effectively traded away; and (3) the Rockets are also forced to trade away KevMart and Scola, who now know the Rockets see them as replaceable or unnecessary. This is all irreparable harm that can't be taken back that was caused by a move way beyond and outside his duties/responsibilities. The players can't let the league and Stern get away with their attempts to control who goes where. I hope to wake up with news of a lawsuit or a trade of CP3 and D12 from | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
On December 12 2011 15:15 Ace wrote: You're overreacting. This only seems like a big deal because word of the Chris Paul trade got out before it happened. Any owner that wants to rebuild would have shot down that Houston-LA trade for Chris Paul. Dell Demps is a terrible GM if he even thought that trade was legit.No Owner, repeat - NO OWNER is taking back veterans on expensive but short contracts with additional salary just to be a first round casualty. Also remember the other Onwers are paying for the Hornets - if they take on salary then yes, Mark Cuban and Dan Gilbert have a say in how things are run because it's money coming out of their pockets. Instead of being so upset at Stern look at how bad that deal was for New Orleans. Dell Demps would have set the franchise back 2 years with no promising picks and talent to show for it. Now they are dealing with the Clippers again because they have loads of young talent AND a 2012 top-5 lottery pick which is more valuable than what Houston and LA were giving them. I think it's quite an assumption to make that no other owner or GM would have taken the deal that the Hornets were getting from the Lakers/Rockets, especially since one did. At the time when everyone thought the trade was going through, there were very few people saying that the trade was bad for the Hornets. In fact, almost everyone was saying that it was an impressive haul for the Hornets. I'm not saying this to prove that the deal was a good one or that it should have been taken, just to show that it was not an unreasonable one that warranted Stern's veto. Neither you or I, or anyone else other than the parties directly involved in the trade, should have had any say in whether that deal went through or not unless there was some indication of impropriety or abuse (i.e. Demps looking out for anyone's interest except for the Hornets') under the terms of the CBA and the arrangement the league had with regards to the ownership and operation of the Hornets. Many worse deals have been made over the past few years (and beyond) that were allowed to go through, and there was nothing about this one that made it stand out except for the fact that Stern was playing a dual role of commissioner and team owner. That situation should never have been allowed to occur, because there's an absolute conflict of interest there. There's no way that the final decision maker for a team involved in a trade should be, at the same time, a representative of the rest of the owners in the league. Such a situation would be untenable in any other setting, and should not be allowed to happen in the NBA either. The only safeguard or check on that potential conflict of interest was the appointment of Demps as the GM of the Hornets, and him being given completely autonomy to make GM decisions without interference by Stern or the other team owners. Keep in mind that Demps was APPOINTED by the NBA specifically for the purpose of preventing this situation from happening, and then they deliberately and openly overruled him despite there being no indication that he was looking out for anyone's interest except for the Hornets' or of any collusion between him and the Lakers or the Rockets. The league acknowledged the clear conflict of interest, put in a means to counter/prevent it, and then simply removed it at their own convenience without taking any other steps to counter/prevent that conflict of interest. Think about the implications of that action, and then think more on the precedent being set by it. As for the "better" offers (in quotes because it's still just an opinion that they're better, and no one can know for certain whatthe Hornets would have done with what they would have got from the Lakers/Rockets) they are receiving now, the Hornets were not getting those offers at the time of the Lakers/Rockets deal, and thus they should not be considered when assessing Stern's nixing it. Those offers are only coming now because of artificial and improper leverage created by Stern's blatant and abusive move, motivated by that same conflict of interest. The Hornets would not have these offers on the table under the terms of the CBA, i.e. the rules by which every team has to operate under. To further illustrate the conflict of interest, consider the following scenario: You are in a fantasy basketball league where a manager suddenly has to back out due to unavailability. The league then discusses what to do with the team (A), decides that the best thing for the league is for it to continue to compete, and that a new neutral manager (X) will be brought in to manage it. Later on, you propose what you believe is a fair trade to X involving Team B, you and X discuss the trade at length and even make several modifications to it so that both of you are happy with what each of you are getting, X fields offers from other teams who are unwilling to offer anything he likes more than your offer, and both of you accept and submit the trade for league approval. The trade is then vetoed by the collective voting of the rest of the league, including 3 or 4 managers who are your strongest opponents and who you know view you as one of the bigger threats in the league, despite the fact that everyone agreed that X would have full authority to make trades and there is no sign of any collusion or impropriety on your part or X's in negotiating the trade. Would you find such a series of events to be fair or proper? Wouldn't it be even more unfair if you knew that all the other managers considered you to be one of the favorites to win that season and that they had a clear interest in handicapping you and your team if they could? | ||
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