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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
March 16 2012 02:17 GMT
#5021
One thing that has confounded me about the Dwight situation:

If he wanted to stay in Orlando, couldn't he just refuse to sign an extension with another team if he was traded?
Freeeeeeedom
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
March 16 2012 02:20 GMT
#5022
On March 16 2012 11:12 Southlight wrote:
I know we're only playing a terrible Hornets team, but we look a lot more active on defense today :<


.. so there's actually movement this time?
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 02:21:45
March 16 2012 02:21 GMT
#5023
He refused several teams (Houston, Lakers, etc.). That's why the options in the end were really limited to like the Nets and Mavs. Even the Bulls pulled out of consideration because he wouldn't promise signing with them.

As people have said, he was never committed to leaving OR staying, he was genuinely torn, and went the wrong way about it. I'd say most people also genuinely figure the agent fucked up his PR because he wouldn't get paid until Dwight gets a new contract, and the only way to do that is to force a trade (get paid by signing a new contract/extension immediately) or getting him to opt out (get a new contract then). Instead now the guy's been working for Dwight for however many years and has gotten yet another pay delay.

On March 16 2012 11:20 VENDIZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 11:12 Southlight wrote:
I know we're only playing a terrible Hornets team, but we look a lot more active on defense today :<


.. so there's actually movement this time?


Yeah we were swarming the post. It was pretty tear-jerking to see :'(
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
March 16 2012 02:37 GMT
#5024
Wow, it's such a shame that the Lakers weren't able to get Beasley. So disappointed, I was getting all excited too! They did a good job getting Sessions, but I don't think Hill was worth giving up the 1st round draft pick..

On another team, Portland got one hell of a deal for Gerald Wallace. That 1st round pick is gold! That is if the Nets continue the season as they have.
Jaedong <3 | BW - The first game I ever loved
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
March 16 2012 02:42 GMT
#5025
On March 16 2012 11:21 Southlight wrote:
He refused several teams (Houston, Lakers, etc.). That's why the options in the end were really limited to like the Nets and Mavs. Even the Bulls pulled out of consideration because he wouldn't promise signing with them.

As people have said, he was never committed to leaving OR staying, he was genuinely torn, and went the wrong way about it. I'd say most people also genuinely figure the agent fucked up his PR because he wouldn't get paid until Dwight gets a new contract, and the only way to do that is to force a trade (get paid by signing a new contract/extension immediately) or getting him to opt out (get a new contract then). Instead now the guy's been working for Dwight for however many years and has gotten yet another pay delay.

Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 11:20 VENDIZ wrote:
On March 16 2012 11:12 Southlight wrote:
I know we're only playing a terrible Hornets team, but we look a lot more active on defense today :<


.. so there's actually movement this time?


Yeah we were swarming the post. It was pretty tear-jerking to see :'(


Don't get too attached to the sight of defense, though! It might come back to haunt you
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
March 16 2012 02:45 GMT
#5026
Not too attached, though to be honest if they can get rid of Blatche I think our team is really just left with hard-workers. We're down to just one from the Gilbert Arena gunslinger days.

Though I miss Gil. He sucked at defense but his work ethic was awesome. I just wish it rubbed off on the stooges (Young, McGee, Blatche).
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
March 16 2012 05:15 GMT
#5027
Wow, Clippers losing to a Nash & Hill-less Suns team.. that's.... not impressive..
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
March 16 2012 06:08 GMT
#5028
On March 16 2012 10:12 RowdierBob wrote:
GS's roster is looking pretty good for next year:

Curry/Robinson
Thompson/Rush
R Jeff/Wright
Lee/
Bogut/Biedrens

And if they're bad enough for the rest of the year, they could get their top 7 protected pick back from Utah.


Rush is slated to be a FA this offseason I think? I doubt he gets extended if that's the case. Also the Dubs are banking a lot on two "superstars" made of glass (although Bogut's injuries are pretty freaky). Still though with potentially 4 draft picks (and one lotto pick if they play their cards right) the Dubs got options to replace Rush (or not).

They need to sit Curry, play Biedrens/JT more, hell just say "fuck it" and play all their rookies and go full on balls-to-the-walls tank mode like right now though b/c keeping that draft pick away from Utah should be priority #1... knowing the Dubs though they'll finish 9th seed in the West though =/
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
March 16 2012 13:34 GMT
#5029
On March 16 2012 07:54 Vindicare605 wrote:
Ok now I just got an update.

In a seperate deal, the Lakers trade Fisher and a first round 2012 pick for Jordan Hill from the Rockets. :/

Bye Fish! I'll miss you. 5 Rings for the Purple and Gold, and leadership on and off the court throughout. Won't forget all you've done for us fans!


I think that this is much bigger than people think. This guy is basically the leader in the dressing room and who keeps Kobe in check. You don't get rid of players like Fish at the trade deadline...he's the 6'2" Robert Horry.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
March 16 2012 14:02 GMT
#5030
I don't know about that. Ever since the first championship of the Shaq era, the Lakers have made a lot of opposing point guards rich. Fisher's value has been clutch shots and he hasn't been shooting it that well the past few seasons.

I don't like the Clippers' acquisition of Nick Young, either. That guy is in love with the off the dribble pull up long 2, which is a terrible shot.
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
March 16 2012 16:47 GMT
#5031
I'm thinking more and more that the Fisher trade was motivated in no small part by the fact that he would basically have been left out of the rotation after the Sessions trade. Once Sessions came in, there was no longer any way that Fisher was going to get any more than spot minutes since Blake is arguably a better backup PG. So instead of having to sit Fisher and let him waste away on the bench, which would have been hard on both Fisher and the team, they traded him to a team where he'll likely be released and got what they could for him.

I assume they were willing to let go of the pick because they see something in Hill and think he'd be better than whoever they would have drafted in that position, or at least that he'd be ready to contribute in both this season and the next as opposed to a few years down the road. This is a team that wants to win now, and they don't have time to take on rookies who will get almost no playing time and can't contribute to a championship right away.
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rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
March 16 2012 16:51 GMT
#5032
I thought Blake is the starter and Sessions is the back up, who's better?
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 17:43:20
March 16 2012 17:40 GMT
#5033
Sessions is better. He's not a good shooter and his defense is decent at best right now, but he's got good quickness, ballhandling and passing and probably could've been a starting PG in the NBA already. He had a lot of good games for the Bucks and then got traded and stuck behind Flynn and then Kyrie Irving. I mean he's averaging 10/5 in 24 mpg, which is pretty good for a backup. I only know about him because he dropped 44 on the Pistons a few years ago.
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VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
March 16 2012 17:47 GMT
#5034
On March 17 2012 02:40 Jibba wrote:
Sessions is better. He's not a good shooter and his defense is decent at best right now, but he's got good quickness, ballhandling and passing and probably could've been a starting PG in the NBA already. He had a lot of good games for the Bucks and then got traded and stuck behind Flynn and then Kyrie Irving. I mean he's averaging 10/5 in 24 mpg, which is pretty good for a backup. I only know about him because he dropped 44 on the Pistons a few years ago.


Yeah, Sessions is the better choice, during Irving's injury Sessions posted a 14,8ppg 8,1apg statline in a winning period for the Cavs, he doesn't force shots because he knows it's not his strength, and he's good at feeding people which will be nice for the Lakers
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
March 16 2012 18:02 GMT
#5035
On March 16 2012 14:15 VENDIZ wrote:
Wow, Clippers losing to a Nash & Hill-less Suns team.. that's.... not impressive..


I expect nothing less from Del Negro.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
March 16 2012 18:47 GMT
#5036
On March 17 2012 03:02 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2012 14:15 VENDIZ wrote:
Wow, Clippers losing to a Nash & Hill-less Suns team.. that's.... not impressive..


I expect nothing less from Del Negro.


After a while coach-bashing reach a point of diminishing returns, it's the same coach that led them to beat the Heat and so forth, if you lose to a Suns team without Nash & Hill I'd probably look at the players and ask what the fuck happened..
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 19:40:53
March 16 2012 19:31 GMT
#5037
On March 17 2012 03:47 VENDIZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 03:02 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On March 16 2012 14:15 VENDIZ wrote:
Wow, Clippers losing to a Nash & Hill-less Suns team.. that's.... not impressive..


I expect nothing less from Del Negro.


After a while coach-bashing reach a point of diminishing returns, it's the same coach that led them to beat the Heat and so forth, if you lose to a Suns team without Nash & Hill I'd probably look at the players and ask what the fuck happened..


So when the Clippers beat the Heat the coach gets the credit, but when they lose to the Suns it's the players' fault? Right...

Anyway I'm just joshing. I didn't see the game so I couldn't tell you who was at fault.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
VENDIZ
Profile Joined October 2010
1575 Posts
March 16 2012 19:35 GMT
#5038
On March 17 2012 04:31 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 03:47 VENDIZ wrote:
On March 17 2012 03:02 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On March 16 2012 14:15 VENDIZ wrote:
Wow, Clippers losing to a Nash & Hill-less Suns team.. that's.... not impressive..


I expect nothing less from Del Negro.


After a while coach-bashing reach a point of diminishing returns, it's the same coach that led them to beat the Heat and so forth, if you lose to a Suns team without Nash & Hill I'd probably look at the players and ask what the fuck happened..


So when the Clippers beat the Heat the coach gets the credit, but when they lose to the Suns it's the players' fault? Right...


How on earth did you get that out of what I wrote? Both players and coaches are due credit for wins and the blame for losses.. if it was soley Del Negro's fault they lost to THAT Suns team then how the fuck could they've beaten Miami?

.. people are way too trigger-happy when it comes to shitting on coaches.
SaGe fighting!!~~~~~~
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 20:00:45
March 16 2012 19:41 GMT
#5039
On March 17 2012 04:35 VENDIZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 04:31 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On March 17 2012 03:47 VENDIZ wrote:
On March 17 2012 03:02 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On March 16 2012 14:15 VENDIZ wrote:
Wow, Clippers losing to a Nash & Hill-less Suns team.. that's.... not impressive..


I expect nothing less from Del Negro.


After a while coach-bashing reach a point of diminishing returns, it's the same coach that led them to beat the Heat and so forth, if you lose to a Suns team without Nash & Hill I'd probably look at the players and ask what the fuck happened..


So when the Clippers beat the Heat the coach gets the credit, but when they lose to the Suns it's the players' fault? Right...


How on earth did you get that out of what I wrote? Both players and coaches are due credit for wins and the blame for losses.. if it was soley Del Negro's fault they lost to THAT Suns team then how the fuck could they've beaten Miami?

.. people are way too trigger-happy when it comes to shitting on coaches.


See edit above.

The coach-bashing only gets old because everyone has accepted it as fact. Did Del Negro lose them that game single-handedly? No. Is the Clippers' talent compensating for his terribleness? I don't see how you could argue otherwise.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
March 16 2012 19:52 GMT
#5040
that is what you said vendiz....you said the coach got them past miami, and the players lost vs the suns.


vdn is a bad coach though, they hire gim for player development for a reason.
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