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December 03 2012 17:24 GMT
#1441
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
December 03 2012 20:05 GMT
#1442
On December 04 2012 02:06 Maxyim wrote:
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On December 04 2012 01:50 deth2munkies wrote:
On December 03 2012 23:15 chilledjuice wrote:
Pandemona, could you link?
@ sunglasseson, same boat as you; quit after s3 in tbc, looking to get back into game for teh pvpz.



Why on earth would you want to play this game for PvP? They break it for extended periods after every expansion, it won't be till at least next season when there's a semblance of balance.

If you like arena PvP, go play Forge or Bloodline Champions or something, no reason to bother with WoW for that.


Because it is accessible and fun. No reason to not bother with it while it is there. I despise WoW just as much as the next raving gaming elitist, but it is not fair to say that it is completely without its merits.


I'm not a raving gaming elitist, I think WoW is one of the best games of all time, easily, but it was never because of its PvP. For both most players and the developers, PvP was an afterthought that was only kept alive due to a small group of core PvPers that beat the shit out everyone else by exploiting whatever was broken at the time.
Maxyim
Profile Joined March 2012
430 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 03:51:32
December 04 2012 03:44 GMT
#1443
On December 04 2012 02:21 Crownlol wrote:
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On November 04 2012 02:27 Takkara wrote:
On October 24 2012 11:34 Silentness wrote:
On October 24 2012 10:54 Slaughter wrote:
On October 21 2012 03:45 Sophia wrote:
I don't miss old WoW. Rogues were OP as shit... before they normalized weapon speed damage. BARMAN Shanker anyone? Stunlock the shit out of people... cheap shot-> kidney shot -> blind -> restealth... repeat until you die. Back before there were pvp trinkets.


I played Hunter (Rank13) and both Warrior (Rank11) and Rouge (Rank11) in Vanilla and have to disagree. Warrior > Rogue > Caster.
Vanilla WoW was just not balanced for 1v1. WoW was never ultra-competetive, PvP can never be 100% fair. But WoW was so much fun back in the days. From Sorrow Hill to Tarren's Mill into Month of AV/WSG Farming. I even remember doing open PvP with my MS-Warri and my Holy-Pally infront of AQ. We "two-manned" complete 10-man AQ-Grps, Warrior with support (Blessing of Freedom/Dispell) was just unstoppable!
I only played Random in the Vanilla-Bgs and I have no idea how many WSGs I won by myself with my hunter. If there was a somewhat good Drood or Pally in the WSG, we won already. In Vanilla you could show your Skill and Experience. If I would play now again, I would just get roflstomped by People with Heirlooms at Lowlevel and by Casuals who farmed 1000 BGs for their Epic-PvP-Gear with 32432423 Resilience.

Vanilla and TBC was just the most fun I had ever in a Videogame and its so sad what the MMO Genre has become now.


Warriors when they had Windfury weapon from the totem lol the bitching from Alliance "we no get windfury totem".


Or the horde complaining that they have to throw down totems and that they don't get 5 minute blessings.

Oh yeah and I miss the barman shanker days, the beta rogue where sap lasted an eternity LOL, and Zulian trinket that gave like +60 energy or some shit. So OP


The Zulian trinket didn't exist in beta. ZG was added much much later.

EDIT: Unless you just meant that both individually were OP, which is more or less true.



He means Renataki's which wasn't even that broken. Mut rogues were completely unplayable without that trinket. The Zandalarian Hero Charm + that other on-use mage trinket were much worse.


FYI, there was no Mut in vanilla... Shall I presume you mean Seal Fate backstab? I personally did all my PvP with combat daggers / some points in Subt.

Although, I will have to say, that my favorite rogue of all time was my BC combat/subt shadowstep hemo. Who was the guy who popularized that, Reckful? I remember it spread like wildfire after he (or someone else) beat an unbeatable gnome warrior on PTR dueling (think it was Serennia).

By the way, whatever happened to Happymingi?

EDIT - WTF, World of Ming is DEAD???
oranjejuice
Profile Joined April 2012
4 Posts
December 04 2012 05:27 GMT
#1444
On December 04 2012 05:05 deth2munkies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 02:06 Maxyim wrote:
On December 04 2012 01:50 deth2munkies wrote:
On December 03 2012 23:15 chilledjuice wrote:
Pandemona, could you link?
@ sunglasseson, same boat as you; quit after s3 in tbc, looking to get back into game for teh pvpz.



Why on earth would you want to play this game for PvP? They break it for extended periods after every expansion, it won't be till at least next season when there's a semblance of balance.

If you like arena PvP, go play Forge or Bloodline Champions or something, no reason to bother with WoW for that.


Because it is accessible and fun. No reason to not bother with it while it is there. I despise WoW just as much as the next raving gaming elitist, but it is not fair to say that it is completely without its merits.


I'm not a raving gaming elitist, I think WoW is one of the best games of all time, easily, but it was never because of its PvP. For both most players and the developers, PvP was an afterthought that was only kept alive due to a small group of core PvPers that beat the shit out everyone else by exploiting whatever was broken at the time.


To be perfectly honest, I only played WoW during vanilla and TBC; then i stopped cuz IRL stuff (WoW has a nasty habbit of providing an alternative to real life, and real life was starting to get really good with college and such.) I always had a lot of fun in WoW pvp; never heard of Forge or Bloodline Champions, when it came to try hard compeititve stuff I stuck to teh starcrafts. I definetly agree with you that PvP is fundamentally broken in WoW, but that didnt stop it from being a lot of fun/eZ to understand quickly and jump back into. Not trying to bash yall, but trying to play the "you noob do this" card is kind of counterproductive :/
I like turtles.
Silentenigma
Profile Joined July 2009
Turkey2037 Posts
December 04 2012 06:11 GMT
#1445
I think pvp is fun in this expansion.They extended the conquest cap so you can grind your gear faster even without high rating.You can upgrade your honor conquest gear too.Also PVE gear is not strong on PVP anymore and that makes game more even.
There are lots of new fun skills you can use in arenas.Every class can CC chain now.Also if you like burst damage I am sure you will be satisfied with PVP.Some dps classes have swifty macros that kill anyone in 1 2 globals.Also healers burst heal a lot and almost never go OOM.
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
December 04 2012 13:58 GMT
#1446
On December 04 2012 14:27 oranjejuice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 05:05 deth2munkies wrote:
On December 04 2012 02:06 Maxyim wrote:
On December 04 2012 01:50 deth2munkies wrote:
On December 03 2012 23:15 chilledjuice wrote:
Pandemona, could you link?
@ sunglasseson, same boat as you; quit after s3 in tbc, looking to get back into game for teh pvpz.



Why on earth would you want to play this game for PvP? They break it for extended periods after every expansion, it won't be till at least next season when there's a semblance of balance.

If you like arena PvP, go play Forge or Bloodline Champions or something, no reason to bother with WoW for that.


Because it is accessible and fun. No reason to not bother with it while it is there. I despise WoW just as much as the next raving gaming elitist, but it is not fair to say that it is completely without its merits.


I'm not a raving gaming elitist, I think WoW is one of the best games of all time, easily, but it was never because of its PvP. For both most players and the developers, PvP was an afterthought that was only kept alive due to a small group of core PvPers that beat the shit out everyone else by exploiting whatever was broken at the time.


To be perfectly honest, I only played WoW during vanilla and TBC; then i stopped cuz IRL stuff (WoW has a nasty habbit of providing an alternative to real life, and real life was starting to get really good with college and such.) I always had a lot of fun in WoW pvp; never heard of Forge or Bloodline Champions, when it came to try hard compeititve stuff I stuck to teh starcrafts. I definetly agree with you that PvP is fundamentally broken in WoW, but that didnt stop it from being a lot of fun/eZ to understand quickly and jump back into. Not trying to bash yall, but trying to play the "you noob do this" card is kind of counterproductive :/


Ah, OK that's fine. I was lumping you in with the hardcore PvP crowd, if you just wanna have fun, far be it from me to tell you what is and isn't fun.
Maxyim
Profile Joined March 2012
430 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 15:48:20
December 04 2012 15:47 GMT
#1447
So if I wanted to dick around on my rogue a bit for the expansion, should I even bother / do rogues still suck? (ZOMG STEALTH CLASS NERF NERF!) I played SWTOR earlier this year and my imperial agent was actually tons more fun than Cata rogue...
DCRed
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland435 Posts
December 04 2012 15:54 GMT
#1448
Rogues are pretty terrible and the current patch didn't really improve them that much. Unless you're really solid and have team mates to back you up I probably wouldn't recommend. If you want a stealth class who doesn't suck play feral.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24671 Posts
December 04 2012 15:55 GMT
#1449
Or you can be a hunter and just not move. Stationary cloak ftw

BTW I have been playing this game for over 6 months and I still can't follow most of whatever the hell you guys talk about in this thread LOL
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Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
December 04 2012 17:36 GMT
#1450
On December 05 2012 00:47 Maxyim wrote:
So if I wanted to dick around on my rogue a bit for the expansion, should I even bother / do rogues still suck? (ZOMG STEALTH CLASS NERF NERF!) I played SWTOR earlier this year and my imperial agent was actually tons more fun than Cata rogue...


Rogues are terrible. Not just "meh", but absolutely horrific. Damage is the worst in the game bar none, damage intake is far higher than any other class (even casters), and every other class has some mechanic for self-healing except Rogues; Recuperate doesn't even count as it's an absolutely horrific ability. The reason my Rogue is still my main is because the utility playstyle is quite fun, but the only way you're going to do anything as a Rogue is if you are very well-geared.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Maxyim
Profile Joined March 2012
430 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-04 21:19:32
December 04 2012 21:18 GMT
#1451
On December 05 2012 02:36 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 00:47 Maxyim wrote:
So if I wanted to dick around on my rogue a bit for the expansion, should I even bother / do rogues still suck? (ZOMG STEALTH CLASS NERF NERF!) I played SWTOR earlier this year and my imperial agent was actually tons more fun than Cata rogue...


Rogues are terrible. Not just "meh", but absolutely horrific. Damage is the worst in the game bar none, damage intake is far higher than any other class (even casters), and every other class has some mechanic for self-healing except Rogues; Recuperate doesn't even count as it's an absolutely horrific ability. The reason my Rogue is still my main is because the utility playstyle is quite fun, but the only way you're going to do anything as a Rogue is if you are very well-geared.


Ahaha, sounds familiar! I may still try it for a challenge. I have no interest in other classes (rogue is my OLD, OLD main and I don't do alts in games), but thanks.

On December 05 2012 00:55 micronesia wrote:
Or you can be a hunter and just not move. Stationary cloak ftw

BTW I have been playing this game for over 6 months and I still can't follow most of whatever the hell you guys talk about in this thread LOL


Not surprising, considering that some people have been playing for 9 years across hundreds of patches and four expansions. ;-)
Hikari
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
1914 Posts
December 10 2012 11:10 GMT
#1452
anyone still play this?
Working on pet achievements. Anyone got the horde argent tourny pets to trade for alliance ones?
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
December 10 2012 20:30 GMT
#1453
On December 05 2012 02:36 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2012 00:47 Maxyim wrote:
So if I wanted to dick around on my rogue a bit for the expansion, should I even bother / do rogues still suck? (ZOMG STEALTH CLASS NERF NERF!) I played SWTOR earlier this year and my imperial agent was actually tons more fun than Cata rogue...


Rogues are terrible. Not just "meh", but absolutely horrific. Damage is the worst in the game bar none, damage intake is far higher than any other class (even casters), and every other class has some mechanic for self-healing except Rogues; Recuperate doesn't even count as it's an absolutely horrific ability. The reason my Rogue is still my main is because the utility playstyle is quite fun, but the only way you're going to do anything as a Rogue is if you are very well-geared.



Pretty wrong, rogues are fine. We only need a defense buff. I do an insane amount of damage as a rogue. Top dmg in BG's, 3v3 arenas and so on. Thing is, they made rogues harder to play if people don't know how to play them, they won't get the dmg they needed done. I can 1v1 any class other than monks because I have not figured them out yet.
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IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
December 10 2012 20:47 GMT
#1454
On December 10 2012 20:10 Hikari wrote:
anyone still play this?
Working on pet achievements. Anyone got the horde argent tourny pets to trade for alliance ones?


Pet content is the best content out at the moment :D. Otherwise MoP would be suffering the same problems as Cataclysm - having not much else to do other than raiding.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/blackrock/Avelynn/pet#status=is-collected

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akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
December 11 2012 01:22 GMT
#1455
I just got a free copy of the game on my Diablo 3 account (lost my wow account a long time ago and it was boring so I didnt bother getting it back) and I'm wondering if the expansion has any interesting challenge. Stopped playing some time during Cata and I want to know if it is worth to get the expansions or should I just keep my money.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
December 11 2012 02:19 GMT
#1456
On December 11 2012 10:22 akatama wrote:
I just got a free copy of the game on my Diablo 3 account (lost my wow account a long time ago and it was boring so I didnt bother getting it back) and I'm wondering if the expansion has any interesting challenge. Stopped playing some time during Cata and I want to know if it is worth to get the expansions or should I just keep my money.


Keep your money. Nothing they did in MoP challenge-wise is any different than Cata. If anything, they've re-used more mechanics than in Cata...if for no other reason than they're really running out of feasible mechanics to use...
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-11 02:48:30
December 11 2012 02:48 GMT
#1457
On December 11 2012 10:22 akatama wrote:
I just got a free copy of the game on my Diablo 3 account (lost my wow account a long time ago and it was boring so I didnt bother getting it back) and I'm wondering if the expansion has any interesting challenge. Stopped playing some time during Cata and I want to know if it is worth to get the expansions or should I just keep my money.


Depends. What are you looking for exactly?

Raiding. PvP. Solo content, small group content?
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akatama
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Romania982 Posts
December 11 2012 03:05 GMT
#1458
Mostly been a lone wolf, only joined guilds for raiding and the occasional chat. Loved to pug but there are just too many bad people out there.
Dyllyn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Singapore670 Posts
December 11 2012 04:00 GMT
#1459
Any EU players here? I haven't played since the last tier of content in Cata, but I'm in the mood to come back and start raid tanking again. Anyone 1. Have a cool EU guild that raids a 2-3 times a week and 2. is interested in using scroll of res on me so I can join that guild?
scv rush ftw
Swish 41
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany154 Posts
December 11 2012 09:02 GMT
#1460
The game is dead in EU since a long time. Only some casuals in NA and Asia still play WoW.
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