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Premier
United States503 Posts
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Ethelis
United States2400 Posts
On September 29 2012 04:35 Quenchiest wrote: Quickly nerfed? I think you're mis-remembering TBC a little bit. Heroics weren't nerfed until very late in the expansion when EVERYTHING got nerfed in preparation for WotLK. Heroics were constantly considered harder than Karazhan, and groups wouldn't even give you a second look if you weren't already in epics. TBC was an odd time for 5 man dungeons. Hell, with heroics if you were a warrior tank people would actually turn you down, citing they wanted only paladins and druids because warriors were absolutely horrendous at AoE tanking. Were they un-fun and painful though? I don't know. I honestly really enjoyed the challenge a lot of them provided. warrior tanking in TBC heroics pre-raid gear was actually pretty simple and really fun...its just that warrior tanks didnt know what cleave was ._. ...and then we got thunderclap in defense stance.. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On September 29 2012 02:12 sylverfyre wrote: Man, since when have DPS rotations gotten easier since Vanilla? I remember my mage's DPS rotation being 33333444444443444444444434444444 and that was only if I was the one who was responsible for keeping up the scorch debuff... Or when I was running out of mana and needed to drop into a more efficient rotation for arcane blast/arcane missiles. No rotation is that simple now. Everyone has some kind of limited use high Damage-per-cast abilities (whether it be SW  ain or Chaos bolt is irrelevant) procs to watch, and some kind of loose priority order which requires some amount of mental judgement rather than a fixed rotation of specific abilities. My SWP is running out but mind blast is coming up. Mind blast has higher priority, but can I wait for an extra half a GCD to cast it while I apply SWP? Is it worth clipping mind flay down to 2 ticks out of 3? Takes timing to do that. 1 tick instead of 2? Takes judgement to decide if the half second is worth it. I can't say as much for non-priest/mage right now, but even Arcane mage is less boring with mana management being a more real issue since you don't have ridiculously huge mana pools.I enjoyed my warrior single target rotation Shield Bash > rend > spam devastate > over 80 rage use heroic strike. thunderclap once in a while to refresh rend or something | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
In previous expansions we've had entire raid dungeons down by this point. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
Is it a full unlock? | ||
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Quenchiest
Canada286 Posts
On September 29 2012 06:19 xMiragex wrote: warrior tanking in TBC heroics pre-raid gear was actually pretty simple and really fun...its just that warrior tanks didnt know what cleave was ._. ...and then we got thunderclap in defense stance.. Oh sure, for most decent players warrior tanking wasn't necessarily hard. It's just that Paladins and Druids were absolute faceroll heroic tanks. People wanted them over warriors because they had AoE threat in spades by comparison. The warrior was still the single target king, but trash in raids? Step aside, Paladin coming through. Thunderclap in defensive stance was also one of those near end-of-expansion changes too. It was a nice change for those that were still running anything I suppose. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
haven't had that much of a world PVP experience in wotlk or cata, maybe it's because it's still early days but still | ||
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Quenchiest
Canada286 Posts
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
On September 29 2012 07:31 Medrea wrote: That makes sense, friend was telling me otherwise. Is it a full unlock? First one mogushan vaults are opened, and 2 weeks after that the 2 raids that are 496 open, though to get to the second raid of those 2 u have to beat the first one. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
The gating i don't know. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
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Quenchiest
Canada286 Posts
On September 29 2012 08:02 Medrea wrote: So no hard modes even? That doesnt seem right... Hard modes are the same as theyve ever been. Requires 1 clear of the raid, and then the next week you can move into hardmodes. The so called "gating" is they're not releasing all the instances at once, and you're required to clear the first one released before you can enter the next 2 released. | ||
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Narcind
Sweden2489 Posts
On September 29 2012 05:19 czylu wrote: u srs? I remember warlock tanking in pvp gear thru BC heroics(well the easy ones and this was before Black Temple). that said, there were SOME heroics tho that were STUPID hard, like Crypts(dumb ass mind control) and Mechanar. Mechanar was like the easiest heroic in TBC? Out of the three tempest keep heroics, alcatraz was probably the hardest. Most people would probably say shattered halls was the hardest, along with maybe shadow labyrinth. | ||
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OKMarius
Norway469 Posts
Shattered halls, Arcatraz and Dark Portal were the hardest in early tbc imo due to them punishing lack of gear more than the others. Shadow labs was relatively easy even with bad gear if people knew the tacts.  | ||
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Medrea
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Azuzu
United States340 Posts
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Enzymatic
Canada1301 Posts
On September 29 2012 04:35 Quenchiest wrote: ]Quickly nerfed? I think you're mis-remembering TBC a little bit. Heroics weren't nerfed until very late in the expansion when EVERYTHING got nerfed in preparation for WotLK. Heroics were constantly considered harder than Karazhan, and groups wouldn't even give you a second look if you weren't already in epics. TBC was an odd time for 5 man dungeons. Hell, with heroics if you were a warrior tank people would actually turn you down, citing they wanted only paladins and druids because warriors were absolutely horrendous at AoE tanking. Were they un-fun and painful though? I don't know. I honestly really enjoyed the challenge a lot of them provided. No offense.. But some of you seem like really bad players to be talking about how tbc heroics were so insanely difficult. They weren't hard. What made them hard was having idiots without brains in your group. (for example: Having a drooler hunter that didn't know how to trap / chain-trap. Or mages that didn't have the presence of mind (no pun intended) to sheep something again after it breaks the first one. The heroics themselves weren't overly gear dependent or difficult.. But they punished retards, unlike the content that is out now. I remember doing the larger pulls in heroic slave pens back in the day.. One idiot in your group and it was gg, you're chain wiping and not finishing the place. Content was way more fun that way. Now its just dumbed down to an outrageous extent, and is why I'm not touching this game again. Nowadays a tank can just charge in and aoe tank the shit out of stuff without having to break a sweat (because of not having to worry about dropping below 75% hp).. And then all the dps in the group has to worry about is smashing their face on 1,2,3 to do damage. | ||
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