[wow] Mists of pandaria - Page 53

On September 28 2012 23:55 Teence wrote:


I just stumbled across this article and I have to admit that I find it very surprising how low sales for MoP have been:

http://www.gamezone.com/products/world-of-warcraft-mists-of-pandaria/news/world-of-warcraft-mists-of-pandaria-sales-disappointing-says-analyst





Admittedly, it's only been a few days since it launched, but the figures for Cataclysm appear to be accurate, in that it sold 3.3 million copies up to its release date (SOURCE: http://daeity.blogspot.ca/2010/12/cataclysm-sales-were-actually-bad.html, an interesting read in and of itself). Furthermore, it's only taking into account retail sales, but the article also states that:



In context, I think ~700,000 retail copies sold is an excellent figure when Blizzard tries so hard to push the digital download, but the expectation that combined sales figures still won't approach those of Cataclysm is troubling.

I'm not sure how well this bodes for the game, but I wish I could say I was surprised. There is so little challenging, meaningful content for the average player outside of heroic raids. I'll be interested to see how sales measure up over the next few weeks, at which point I will imagine most devoted players will have bought the expansion.

On September 29 2012 00:12 blug wrote:


Wtf, Pandas... They announced it something like a year ago and still baffles my mind whenever I hear it. I think they may of 'kiddified' the game to much.

Wtf, Pandas... They announced it something like a year ago and still baffles my mind whenever I hear it. I think they may of 'kiddified' the game to much.

On September 28 2012 23:18 Zarahtra wrote:

Do people deserve to see content if they play casually? Sure. Do they deserve to see content without putting any effort in? Now that is the big question, and what "any effort"(or maybe rather enough effort) is.

About how it effects your game, you do realize that WoW is actually an online game(and even a MMO at that). Everything people do on same realm(and you could even argue on different realms) effects the way people play the game. Most of what a single person can do is just like a drop in the ocean, but the way Blizzard designs the game with all the welfare epics, casual friendly content, 10 man instances being exactly like 25 mans, this all effects everyone on the realm, even if they don't do the casual stuff.

About exactly how it does effect the game is: If you played in vanilla and weren't part of the top guilds on your server, I'm sure you remember seeing those badasses with their awesome gear, putting out their awesome dps. Now what do the hardcore people have? A reskinned version of a casual weapon that no one needs to put any effort into getting. Furtheremore it doesn't even do bad dps(and for most, the dps rotations have also been made easier). There is simply very little prestige left in playing the game, which is a certain aspect of why people raid(I mean RPGs are about advancing/gearing your character, but if nobody cares, what for?). So why do I raid? Because of the people, first kills don't really matter to me anymore, because why should they? I've killed the boss anyway, now I just killed it while jumping on one leg.

So your e-peen is not as big because little jimmy got a watered down version of that weapon you tried to get so hard for weeks in heroic mode oh boo hoo <.< seriously, who cares about raiding being a cool kids only club any more? and why should it be? If people raid to show off their 1337 raiding gear then they are doing it for the wrong reasons, raid for the challenge of which theres plenty of in heroic mode (except for most DS fights).
Go raid in a 25m heroic guild and tell me there isnt a challenge AND "prestige" in clearing ALL the content in a month or two while the rest of the server needs till the last week before the new patch comes out, that fact alone makes it worth raiding. Clearing the content way before blizz nerfs it to oblivion because "Not enough people are downing bosses". You cant bitch about raiding not being challenging if you dont try it at its best, and now there are challenge modes for those who cant or dont want to join a 25m raiding guild to see challenging content and get it with just a group of 5.

On September 29 2012 00:37 TanKLoveR wrote:


So your e-peen is not as big because little jimmy got a watered down version of that weapon you tried to get so hard for weeks in heroic mode oh boo hoo <.< seriously, who cares about raiding being a cool kids only club any more? and why should it be? If people raid to show off their 1337 raiding gear then they are doing it for the wrong reasons, raid for the challenge of which theres plenty of in heroic mode (except for most DS fights).
Go raid in a 25m heroic guild and tell me there isnt a challenge AND "prestige" in clearing ALL the content in a month or two while the rest of the server needs till the last week before the new patch comes out, that fact alone makes it worth raiding. Clearing the content way before blizz nerfs it to oblivion because "Not enough people are downing bosses". You cant bitch about raiding not being challenging if you dont try it at its best, and now there are challenge modes for those who cant or dont want to join a 25m raiding guild to see challenging content and get it with just a group of 5.

Also to the Hitcap guy, that was just an example but back when i used to dps (ICC) hit rating was king and you didnt care about other stats until you were capped, and during early Cata when heroics were somewhat difficult i had a lot of dps who couldnt land CC's because well... you take a guess. Maybe things changed since then but i heal for the most part so i dont have to worry about crap like that.

On September 29 2012 01:28 blug wrote:


I played WoW casually back in BC and I used to look up to the people who had cleared the higher content. I don't do that anymore. Call it lame, but if you weren't there then you simply wouldn't understand. It's not a nostalgia thing, it's just a thing I enjoyed and most other people from BC enjoyed that aspect as well. I cleared up to the end of Tempest Keep (3 raids away from end game basically) and I honestly have to say I was satisfied. I wanted to finish every single raid, but it's a good thing that I didn't because I always had a sense that I had something to do.

You might say "Just do Hard Mode Raids" but honestly, once you have done it on normal you just get bored really easily seeing the same stuff all the time even in heroics. I won't lie, the first time I see the content it's sort of fun, but it becomes stale after the first week. There is absolutely no longevity to the games anymore. You are forced to do normal raids as well, otherwise your raid members rage at you for not having top notch gear.

People also say "Explore all the content Blizzard offers or do Achievements" but honestly... I think it's fair to say that a large portion of the player base don't really care about doing either of those things. I'm not saying that people don't but a large portion don't really care about it. People want to get geared up to do content, they don't want to waste there time looking at the flowers of Pandaria (However, I do appreciate the attention to detail Blizzard does offer). I do all of that stuff while questing or if I'm up for a bit of adventure.

People don't have to see all the content. I don't really see why people even think that they have to, just because you pay for the game. You pay for the online experience and to be pushed to your limit, however Blizzard have set the bar for the limit to something ridiculously low.

On September 29 2012 00:09 Disengaged wrote:
MoP has so much content though.

For the first time since I've been playing, which was since the vanilla beta, I actually feel overwhelmed with the amount of things there are to do. Its a pretty nice feeling.

On September 29 2012 00:09 Disengaged wrote:
MoP has so much content though.

For the first time since I've been playing, which was since the vanilla beta, I actually feel overwhelmed with the amount of things there are to do. Its a pretty nice feeling.

On September 29 2012 04:11 deepfield1 wrote:
Heroics required CC at the very start of TBC because they were not properly tuned. They quickly got nerfed.

At this time heroics were also super un-fun and painful.

On September 29 2012 03:54 nimbim wrote:
I've read a ton of posts in this thread complaining about the game being too easy and end-game content being too easily available to "everyone".

I think you guys need to calm down. For ~1,5years of subscription time in my guild we've never achieved anything in raids. I am one of those you apparently don't want to have any fun at all. Our raid group had every kind of bad players you can imagine, from 1/5th of normal dps with zero movement to utter retards who wear shaman mail as hunters - I've played with those people and I had fun, because we always had a great time on our teamspeak server. Every single kill we had was 5 people carrying 5 noobs on their back, everyone would probably have quit the guild or WoW if it weren't for the social aspect.

WoW is played by so many people because you can get all sorts of entertainment; from the super casual leveling my character in 2years and still not maxed to the hardcore raider (which seems to be every complainer in this thread). If there aren't x million noobs you could pwn in WoW, do you really think you would still be competing in raids or would have done so for more than a week? Have your fun optimizing your character to the maximum possible for the current raid tier, but please stop suggesting noobs should be excluded from end-game content.

Sorry to single you out Hikari, your post just jumps me in the face: If you have Hikaris problem, you have a ton of time and no measure at all for what it's like to have a job or any other serious obligation. (Which isn't bad, you just lack a measure for that.)

On September 29 2012 04:35 Quenchiest wrote:


Quickly nerfed? I think you're mis-remembering TBC a little bit. Heroics weren't nerfed until very late in the expansion when EVERYTHING got nerfed in preparation for WotLK. Heroics were constantly considered harder than Karazhan, and groups wouldn't even give you a second look if you weren't already in epics. TBC was an odd time for 5 man dungeons.

Hell, with heroics if you were a warrior tank people would actually turn you down, citing they wanted only paladins and druids because warriors were absolutely horrendous at AoE tanking.

Were they un-fun and painful though? I don't know. I honestly really enjoyed the challenge a lot of them provided.

On September 28 2012 23:10 TanKLoveR wrote:

How does the fact that some noobs clear DS on LFR affect your life in any way? I hate LFR and I dont plan on doing it(I didn't play most of cata) unless some guild wants me to, but I'll stick to a good 25m guild that does Hard modes and Challenge modes, seems like a good way of staying out of the "casual" content (which is everything else, yes). I'm constantly surprised by the amount of people that play this game and how seriously bad some of them are, but hey if they want to clear content in a very easy mode then i say let them, I'm sure they feel the same way I do after clearing a hard mode believe it or not thanks to that.

On September 29 2012 05:30 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:

i don't see anybody in my quote saying anything about LFR, don't put words in my mouth

i'm talking about 35% nerfs to end tier raids and very shitty pugs clearing all hard mode end-game content (i helped several shitty pugs get savior for 100k each)

i like LFR because it gives people an intro to real fights - so let's not pretend i said something i didn't, k?