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On October 14 2015 02:42 Souma wrote:
When you're doing something you love, 144K is way more than enough.
Well, like Sync said, they work like crazy for it. IMO the love of the game certainly takes a back seat at some point in a player's life, after 60 hours of practicing and having to play a tournament on the weekend while still jet lagged. But the point is more about how if you're not part of those big teams, if there are no stickers for you, you're almost certainly not going to make it. And if you do, you'll make miserable money, work a lot for it, and if you didn't take that time to think about another career, you'll come out of it with nothing.
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Definitely rougher on players who aren't successful, but when you are successful, even though you are putting in a ton of time and effort, it's all very worth it and satisfying, so I wouldn't exactly call it "rough."
I work seven days a week for a lot less but I'm extremely content. Sometimes you just gotta realize that you don't actually need that much money to live comfortably... And six figures a year? Jeezes, like, that's actually a lot. I think it says more about people's perceptions of salaries in this day and age than the actual salaries themselves when people think only making 144K a year is rough, regardless of the circumstance.
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On October 14 2015 02:55 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 02:42 Souma wrote:
When you're doing something you love, 144K is way more than enough. Well, like Sync said, they work like crazy for it. IMO the love of the game certainly takes a back seat at some point in a player's life, after 60 hours of practicing and having to play a tournament on the weekend while still jet lagged. But the point is more about how if you're not part of those big teams, if there are no stickers for you, you're almost certainly not going to make it. And if you do, you'll make miserable money, work a lot for it, and if you didn't take that time to think about another career, you'll come out of it with nothing.
Pretty much this. Once you go full time pro i'm not sure how much love for the game is there anymore. At that point you're burning yourself out every day by playing this game so much because its all about results and making money. Also there's the fact that this game is incredibly inconsistent and frustrating, and in general, not liked by most people that play it competitively. I still definitely understand why a lot of top players do it for a while after they finish school, but imo its not a career and not a great long term decision unless you're on a top5 team.
On October 14 2015 03:11 Souma wrote:
Definitely rougher on players who aren't successful, but when you are successful, even though you are putting in a ton of time and effort, it's all very worth it and satisfying, so I wouldn't exactly call it "rough."
I work seven days a week for a lot less but I'm extremely content. Sometimes you just gotta realize that you don't actually need that much money to live comfortably... And six figures a year? Jeezes, like, that's actually a lot. I think it says more about people's perceptions of salaries in this day and age than the actual salaries themselves when people think only making 144K a year is rough, regardless of the circumstance.
yeah but thats what only a few players are probably making. I'm sure most pro players on t1 teams probably make less than 6 figures. Its not a lot considering you can be making 100k within 3-5 years into a "real" career.
The saddest thing is that streamers make the most money out of everyone. Like summit who easily earns over 700k a year at the moment and plays less than all these top players. Maybe esports will become like pro sports and eventually players will make insane salaries but right now its the equivalent of the WNBA where your average salary is around 50-70k lol.
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I think most of the top pros are still playing because they enjoy it. Maybe not in NA but it's not like playing in NA is comparable to EU in terms of culture, opportunity and money. Obviously if they aren't successful like I've mentioned it's going to be a lot rougher, both mentally and financially. But the issue I have is you guys saying making $100K+ is not a lot when it certainly is.
Also there aren't a lot of people that make $100K 3-5 years into their career, let alone ever. There's a reason why a 30-year-old earning $130K a year is firmly in the top 1% of their age group.
Also esports is growing exponentially. The number of jobs available for ex-progamers isn't comparable to what it was a couple years ago. While the vast majority of people in the industry won't be making as much as in normal private sector jobs, at least they still have avenues to channel their passion and make a living wage. Just wait a couple more years and the situation will be even better. When you think about it, those in esports are in a nice position because they're investing their efforts into a growing industry which will have plenty of opportunities in the future. But as with any occupation, if you aren't successful, you aren't gonna be making much money regardless. The median wage in America is $26,695.
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On October 14 2015 03:28 Souma wrote:
I think most of the top pros are still playing because they enjoy it. Maybe not in NA but it's not like playing in NA is comparable to EU in terms of culture, opportunity and money. Obviously if they aren't successful like I've mentioned it's going to be a lot rougher, both mentally and financially. But the issue I have is you guys saying making $100K+ is not a lot when it certainly is.
Also there aren't a lot of people that make $100K 3-5 years into their career, let alone ever. There's a reason why a 30-year-old earning $130K a year is firmly in the top 1% of their age group.
Also esports is growing exponentially. The number of jobs available for ex-progamers isn't comparable to what it was a couple years ago. While the vast majority of people in the industry won't be making as much as in normal private sector jobs, at least they still have avenues to channel their passion and make a living wage. Just wait a couple more years and the situation will be even better. When you think about it, those in esports are in a nice position because they're investing their efforts into a growing industry which will have plenty of opportunities in the future. But as with any occupation, if you aren't successful, you aren't gonna be making much money regardless. The median wage in America is $26,695.
Well I live in nyc so 100k isn't impressive here as it will barely get you by if you live in manhattan. Starting wages over here for graduates is usually around 50-60k. Obviously 100K is a lot of money if you live in the majority of the US, and especially in most places in Europe. But over here its not uncommon to be making 100k in your late 20s/early 30s because of how high the cost of living is. My post was probably overexaggerated a bit and I guess only referring to people living in places like nyc or LA, etc. You're right for the most part in your post though.
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If I were you I'd move away. Immediately. 
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On October 14 2015 03:34 Souma wrote:If I were you I'd move away. Immediately.
lol I plan to eventually, but probably to cali which isn't gonna change much in terms of living conditions but at least the weathers a lot nicer.
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San Francisco is probably as bad or even worse than NYC, but most of LA is cheaper. Rest of Cali is a lot cheaper than NYC.
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Really depends on the game you are a progamer for really, I would say that Dota is very profitable compared to others. But CSGO isn't doing that bad really, could be much better and it also deserves more but we can't compare it to say Stacraft which has gone down so much. GSL winner only takes away 36k home instead of 65k iirc nowadays. And then the team usually takes a bit. Dunno about their salary but SC guys have it rough aswell.
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SSBM seems even tougher considering they also have a lot of people playing the game competitively. CSGO has got to be a top 5 game for profitability to be a pro.
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Smash/FGC is the struggle life but they also probably enjoy themselves more than people in other games. At least Smashers do.
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
afaik most good but not top sponsored melee players just play out of love for the game
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Even as big as the whole Badminton scene should be, only a handful make enough money by salary, they need to win stuff or actually be sponsored by companies. So many of these physical sports are like that, it's hard to make a living unless you are a Boxer, Mayweather style.
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s1imple was like, Happy please... Niko then wanted to reply
http://oddshot.tv/shot/esl-csgo-20151013185142470
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Netherlands45349 Posts
esports(like other sports up to a cerain degree) is extremely top heavy and since CSGO is so relatively small its hard to get by.
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France9034 Posts
Niko pls. There can be only one Juan Deag.
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Germany3128 Posts
According to the Sidebar TL has 4 games ( 5 maps) tonight starting at 2am CEST. With Cevo 2nd match usually starting at 4.15am this shouldn't work out at all without overlapping maps. Am I missing something?
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On October 14 2015 22:21 TheNewEra wrote:
According to the Sidebar TL has 4 games ( 5 maps) tonight starting at 2am CEST. With Cevo 2nd match usually starting at 4.15am this shouldn't work out at all without overlapping maps. Am I missing something?
TL's cevo match starts at 5am EU time. They theoretically have 1 hr to play each map. Starts with ESEA at 2am, jump to FACEIT at 3am, back to ESEA at 4am, and finsih off with CEVO matches at 5am. (All should be EU time).
Life of a progamer T.T
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Legija is out
in b4 Fox gets removed citing ''communication issues'' and they add a Swede/Nord.
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