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Onekobold
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
244 Posts
September 08 2014 02:17 GMT
#16581
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 08 2014 03:33 GMT
#16582
On September 08 2014 08:36 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2014 07:02 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 08 2014 05:31 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On September 08 2014 05:23 wei2coolman wrote:
Scion looked like a decent starting point, had some good nodes near by. Dual totem Keystone not that far away. Some of the 1.1 builds I were looking at, most seem to be scion.


Scion start is awful as all the starting nodes there are worse than other class starting areas. You need to gain some additional efficiency from pathing to make up for the inferior nodes.

In regards to flame totem build, it doesn't seem any worse or better than maurader tbh.

maurader start with some of the main nodes that I'm looking to hit.

https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgEA9q54aUrE-OsUcacwns1VtcEEjr8bRcbYWOUGDgPGCfZj_aPyLKdaKyoTWfOsqnKp9zLqGMMT-JOMRiu2EMzGrjwtxPYn7Xsg_oc=

scion start with the same main nodes i'm looking to hit.
https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgAA-egYPL0nkzoIZ6PyLKdaKyoTWfOsqiftxPY8Lcautz5Bh8MT9q54aUrE-OvqGPcycqlY5Qn2A8YUcWP9Bg74k4xGK7YQzP6HeyA=

the only difference just seems to be some of the starting nodes.


Why wouldn't you go through Warriors blood? I understand you're playing a safe build, but those are still efficient life nodes. You're saving two skill points to give up several life/regen nodes plus easy access to several more 6%s. If you don't end up going to Heart of the Warrior at some point then you're playing CI or have a terrible build.

I think the Witch start is preferable though. You end up wasting a lot of nodes between the marauder start and getting to the edge. With the Witch you get to the edge by picking up fire damage and life nodes and can cycle around the tree down to Ancestral Bond picking up all the good nodes along the way (whispers of doom and the life nodes). You're going to end up at the Scion wheel so there are plenty of life nodes that you don't need to go hunting up to the Marauder start area (although you could end up there anyway if you want to get really tanky).

Now that I think about it witch definitely has a nice progression for the build, but I don't think the scion vs maurader start is as big as you make it out to be.
liftlift > tsm
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 08 2014 04:35 GMT
#16583
On September 08 2014 12:33 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2014 08:36 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On September 08 2014 07:02 wei2coolman wrote:
On September 08 2014 05:31 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On September 08 2014 05:23 wei2coolman wrote:
Scion looked like a decent starting point, had some good nodes near by. Dual totem Keystone not that far away. Some of the 1.1 builds I were looking at, most seem to be scion.


Scion start is awful as all the starting nodes there are worse than other class starting areas. You need to gain some additional efficiency from pathing to make up for the inferior nodes.

In regards to flame totem build, it doesn't seem any worse or better than maurader tbh.

maurader start with some of the main nodes that I'm looking to hit.

https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgEA9q54aUrE-OsUcacwns1VtcEEjr8bRcbYWOUGDgPGCfZj_aPyLKdaKyoTWfOsqnKp9zLqGMMT-JOMRiu2EMzGrjwtxPYn7Xsg_oc=

scion start with the same main nodes i'm looking to hit.
https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgAA-egYPL0nkzoIZ6PyLKdaKyoTWfOsqiftxPY8Lcautz5Bh8MT9q54aUrE-OvqGPcycqlY5Qn2A8YUcWP9Bg74k4xGK7YQzP6HeyA=

the only difference just seems to be some of the starting nodes.


Why wouldn't you go through Warriors blood? I understand you're playing a safe build, but those are still efficient life nodes. You're saving two skill points to give up several life/regen nodes plus easy access to several more 6%s. If you don't end up going to Heart of the Warrior at some point then you're playing CI or have a terrible build.

I think the Witch start is preferable though. You end up wasting a lot of nodes between the marauder start and getting to the edge. With the Witch you get to the edge by picking up fire damage and life nodes and can cycle around the tree down to Ancestral Bond picking up all the good nodes along the way (whispers of doom and the life nodes). You're going to end up at the Scion wheel so there are plenty of life nodes that you don't need to go hunting up to the Marauder start area (although you could end up there anyway if you want to get really tanky).

Now that I think about it witch definitely has a nice progression for the build, but I don't think the scion vs maurader start is as big as you make it out to be.


You can decide if a skillpoint or two of optimization is a big deal to you or not. It is to me
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
September 08 2014 04:50 GMT
#16584
99% of Math with Excel is min-maxing.
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Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
September 08 2014 04:54 GMT
#16585
Anyone else think curse on hit is awesome. With a 4l you can proc 2 curse while AT THE SAME TIME triggering ee for your main spell. Plus at high lvl coh has increased effect. Too op to pass up
bluQ
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Germany1724 Posts
September 08 2014 07:10 GMT
#16586
On September 08 2014 13:54 Probemicro wrote:
Anyone else think curse on hit is awesome. With a 4l you can proc 2 curse while AT THE SAME TIME triggering ee for your main spell. Plus at high lvl coh has increased effect. Too op to pass up

If you can dedicate the gear slots for tri or quadcurse it always is awesome
www.twitch.tv/bluquh (PoE, Starbow, HS)
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
September 08 2014 21:07 GMT
#16587
Are masters localized in normal missions? In the docks, I have encountered Vagan and Tora several times without encountering any other masters.
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zergnewb
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States816 Posts
September 09 2014 00:39 GMT
#16588
I don't think they are. They definitely are not in docks, I've farmed docks for masters and have run into the 6 of them there.
Welcome to the Durst-Zone
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 09 2014 15:30 GMT
#16589
Anyone know what the spawn rate for zana is in level 66 to 68 maps?
liftlift > tsm
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 09 2014 15:32 GMT
#16590
On September 10 2014 00:30 wei2coolman wrote:
Anyone know what the spawn rate for zana is in level 66 to 68 maps?

Super RNG I didn't find a zana over 2 days of mapping then it started raining zana's briefly after that.

If you haven't encountered her yet I recommend just begging her daily off of friends/guildmates until you can get her to level 2, whereupon you can put her in your hideout and everything's fine.
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8716 Posts
September 09 2014 15:48 GMT
#16591
On September 10 2014 00:32 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 00:30 wei2coolman wrote:
Anyone know what the spawn rate for zana is in level 66 to 68 maps?

Super RNG I didn't find a zana over 2 days of mapping then it started raining zana's briefly after that.

If you haven't encountered her yet I recommend just begging her daily off of friends/guildmates until you can get her to level 2, whereupon you can put her in your hideout and everything's fine.


I did the same in standard. Had some luck in Beyond and found her three times on my first 5 maps. But it's really RNG, sometime I find her 5 times a day, today I ran 10+ maps and didn't encounter her once.
Today I also failed my daily. Had a 60% Fleet + 41% packsize map. Not too bad, although packsize can work against you in beyond. I cleared the whole map (had the objective relatively early) and found an Arcanist Strongbox. It had freeze on it, so I thought I would just log out. I did, but I couldn't return the quest then anymore. Fun fact: The box didn't even include monsters. Last thing I saw when I logged out as all the currency drops and I felt so stupid for not noticing that it didn't had an implicit.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 09 2014 16:02 GMT
#16592
I hate all timed master quests. It's pretty much asking for your character to desync and die.
liftlift > tsm
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-09 19:30:37
September 09 2014 19:18 GMT
#16593
On September 10 2014 01:02 wei2coolman wrote:
I hate all timed master quests. It's pretty much asking for your character to desync and die.


Knowing which quests to not do is an important skill.

On September 10 2014 00:30 wei2coolman wrote:
Anyone know what the spawn rate for zana is in level 66 to 68 maps?


I've probably run over 50 maps and only gotten Zana once
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
September 09 2014 20:51 GMT
#16594
Someone on global just vaal'ed a tabula rasa and got a +1 gem lvl, all sockets still fully linked.
Fan of the Jangbanger
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-09 20:57:54
September 09 2014 20:53 GMT
#16595
On September 10 2014 05:51 O-ops wrote:
Someone on global just vaal'ed a tabula rasa and got a +1 gem lvl, all sockets still fully linked.

Not that rare. It's definitely a gamble but not necessarily bad expected value. Most of the implicits that you can roll are worth it (barring maybe +1 vaal gems or w/e) and you only lose the 6-link if it re-rolls to rare aka complete brick which isn't that high a percentage chance.

To clarify, the 3 possible outcomes are
1) Only a new implicit: an implicit is added. See the wiki for the list of possible ones for chests.
2) Nothing: the chest becomes corrupted with no other change
3) re-roll to rare: the sockets and links are rerolled at random, as well as random rare affixes (not only does this ignore the normal socket/link # probability, I believe it also ignores the probability on affixes. Aka 1socket is equally likely as 6socket, and certain super-rare affixes like tyrannical or 6% life leech or chaos res are as likely as any other).
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
September 09 2014 20:58 GMT
#16596
i vaal orbed my Stone of Lazhwar last night and got +4% spell block.

notbad.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-09 21:00:35
September 09 2014 21:00 GMT
#16597
On September 10 2014 05:58 crms wrote:
i vaal orbed my Stone of Lazhwar last night and got +4% spell block.

notbad.jpg

I think you mean "look at my 2 chaos investment being worth dem exalts"

I should start vaaling things. maybe.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-09 21:01:23
September 09 2014 21:01 GMT
#16598
On September 10 2014 06:00 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 05:58 crms wrote:
i vaal orbed my Stone of Lazhwar last night and got +4% spell block.

notbad.jpg

I think you mean "look at my 2 chaos investment being worth dem exalts"

yeah, if I can actually sell it! beyond is so stingy lately.

Maybe I'll just use it myself and RIP away my most valuable item.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 09 2014 21:02 GMT
#16599
On September 10 2014 06:00 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2014 05:58 crms wrote:
i vaal orbed my Stone of Lazhwar last night and got +4% spell block.

notbad.jpg

I think you mean "look at my 2 chaos investment being worth dem exalts"

I should start vaaling things. maybe.


and then you brick it like me
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 09 2014 21:03 GMT
#16600
How do you brick a 4% spellblock laz?
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