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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8542 Posts
July 31 2014 07:48 GMT
#15841
On July 31 2014 09:20 Nocticate wrote:
why are we not having collective orgasms about new expansion hype

http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/985043


HyppUUU! GGG never fails to amaze me. o.O New crafting, hide outs, item mods (and from what it sounds they want to bring in some magic items as viable BiS gear, like it was in D2). Hell yeah. But...why do we have to wait until the 15th of august to learn the properties of the HC league?

I'm also looking forward to re-theorycraft my 32562935+-2 passive trees, lol.

On July 31 2014 15:34 superstartran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2014 04:56 Miragee wrote:
On July 31 2014 03:23 superstartran wrote:
On July 30 2014 14:53 Miragee wrote:
On July 30 2014 13:09 superstartran wrote:
On July 29 2014 18:07 Miragee wrote:
You missunderstand the term "control the market". It's not about people ripping of others in order to make profit (aka flipping items etc.). That's not controlling a market. Controlling the market is, when someone buys every single Exalt (or whatever item of a single kind) that is offered and monopolising them. Then he uses the opportunity to feed-sell those back at a much higher price while buying all cheap offers to keep the monopol. An AH doesn't make that easier. It's simply only possible with an AH.



This already happens with BiS uniques like Shavs and Windripper. Chinese farmers do this but instead of selling them for Exalts they sell them for money.


But not to an extent that is near 100%. While a monopol on an item can be maintained to nearly 100% with an AH, without AH it doesn't even come close to that number.

For the rest: I fully understand blitzkriegs point of view. The AH brings advantages for the single player. And if someone values his own comfort over the well of everyone then the AH is obviously the better option. I don't like this way of thinking but I accept it. This discussion is at a point where it leads no further. Most points are argued and understood now and the decision whether one prefers an AH or not comes down to the single person. Both sides are understandable and depend on personal priorities for the aim of the trade system.




Most BiS mirror items and uniques are actually controlled by Chinese farmers, the vast majority of them are. How else do you think they can afford to sell Windrippers by the hundreds or Shavs by the hundreds in Ambush league?



I'm sorry to ask this but do you have proof? I actually see those rare items still going for ingame currency via trade chat/forums. And I also don't believe that one single item shop monopolises all of them but it is split over multiple shops, so there is still competition. I don't know how the course for Exalts vs $ was in Ambush because I usually don't check that. But right now its 1ex = 1,56 $ in standard which seems fair enough in comparison with the end of ambush especially with strong boxes. Non-linkedShavs go for ~100ex, so you are already in the hundreds with that. I think offering Shavs directly instead of exalts brings you a bit more because the buyer doesn't have to invest time looking for a Shav's in chat.

Seems hardly a monopol to me. You can't control the market to 100 % and not even close to that without a centralised trading system like a global AH. With you can come pretty close to 100 %. D3 and GW2 are good recent examples for this.



Rofl.

It's not difficult. Sure some people have legitimate uniques, but it's hilarious to think the botters don't control the vast majority of the elite level markets. Mirror items are pretty much all from botters; they are the only ones who had the currency to expend to create BiS items in the temporary 4 month leagues. The problem isn't whether or not an AH would be bad for the game. The only reason why the AH would be bad is because there's such a heavy focus on economy in the game, when there shouldn't. GGG and Chris Wilson are taking steps to move away from this, as evidenced to the self-sufficient crafting that is being introduced. You won't be able to make perfect items, but it allows you to progress much easier.


Way to go, I'll leave it here.
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
July 31 2014 08:51 GMT
#15842
Cannot wait for the new league. I have so much hype and have learned so much this 1MHC league that I now finally might be able to get to Merci relatively fast in the HC league. (Unless they pull a new Invasion alpha version league).

Also, it seounds like they're buffing ele melee builds with the new self buff ele dmg casts. I am guessing they will reserve less mana than ele auras at the cost of not benefitting your allies.
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-31 09:16:09
July 31 2014 09:05 GMT
#15843
Alright this shit sounds cool.

Also:
We've also overhauled many of Path of Exile's Curses and added some new ones such as Poacher's Mark.

"Cursed Monsters will have increased Item Rarity and Item Quantity." (jkjk)

e: Gotta love reddit.

+ Show Spoiler +
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"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8542 Posts
July 31 2014 09:23 GMT
#15844
On July 31 2014 18:05 r.Evo wrote:
Alright this shit sounds cool.

Also:
Show nested quote +
We've also overhauled many of Path of Exile's Curses and added some new ones such as Poacher's Mark.

"Cursed Monsters will have increased Item Rarity and Item Quantity." (jkjk)

e: Gotta love reddit.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


What the fuck is that? o.O
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
July 31 2014 09:52 GMT
#15845
The screenshot? Someone going over the new tree and trying to figure out what it is.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
July 31 2014 10:05 GMT
#15846
Hideouts, like a secret base
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
July 31 2014 10:09 GMT
#15847
Looks really exciting so far, but the new league mods are gonna be a really big factor to how much time i spent in poe this time around
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8542 Posts
July 31 2014 10:23 GMT
#15848
On July 31 2014 18:52 r.Evo wrote:
The screenshot? Someone going over the new tree and trying to figure out what it is.


Yeah, but how was it leaked?

Btw. I really like how GGG already picked up the 3 month length for challenge leagues Chris mentioned at the podcast and also picked up the suggestions about microtransactions for challenges.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
July 31 2014 10:37 GMT
#15849
On July 31 2014 19:23 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2014 18:52 r.Evo wrote:
The screenshot? Someone going over the new tree and trying to figure out what it is.


Yeah, but how was it leaked?

Btw. I really like how GGG already picked up the 3 month length for challenge leagues Chris mentioned at the podcast and also picked up the suggestions about microtransactions for challenges.

It's right there in the announcement thread you blind thing. =P
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3440 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-31 10:38:19
July 31 2014 10:37 GMT
#15850
On July 31 2014 19:23 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2014 18:52 r.Evo wrote:
The screenshot? Someone going over the new tree and trying to figure out what it is.


Yeah, but how was it leaked?

Btw. I really like how GGG already picked up the 3 month length for challenge leagues Chris mentioned at the podcast and also picked up the suggestions about microtransactions for challenges.

It's right there in the announcement post in case you missed it

Edit: damn u Evo ;_;
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
July 31 2014 11:14 GMT
#15851
Damn Im pretty excited for the new leagues and expansion! Had been looking to get back into PoE, and this seems awesome :D
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8542 Posts
July 31 2014 11:22 GMT
#15852
On July 31 2014 19:37 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2014 19:23 Miragee wrote:
On July 31 2014 18:52 r.Evo wrote:
The screenshot? Someone going over the new tree and trying to figure out what it is.


Yeah, but how was it leaked?

Btw. I really like how GGG already picked up the 3 month length for challenge leagues Chris mentioned at the podcast and also picked up the suggestions about microtransactions for challenges.

It's right there in the announcement thread you blind thing. =P


ouch xD

Dunno if it makes sense to speculate over that now though. I personally need to put my hands on it myself.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
July 31 2014 15:36 GMT
#15853
Looks like a LOT less Life nodes. GGG also said in return you get more life from leveling.

Before, ES was the to go if you wanted to get as many dmg nodes as possible. This might change a bit now, but let's see.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 31 2014 15:40 GMT
#15854
On August 01 2014 00:36 HolydaKing wrote:
Looks like a LOT less Life nodes. GGG also said in return you get more life from leveling.

Before, ES was the to go if you wanted to get as many dmg nodes as possible. This might change a bit now, but let's see.

Ah yes ANOTHER life/ES rebalance... :/

I wonder if armor/evasion are being looked at too? (Seems unlikely considering they said they were mostly changing the top right part of the tree but you never know)
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rebuffering
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2436 Posts
July 31 2014 15:50 GMT
#15855
On August 01 2014 00:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 00:36 HolydaKing wrote:
Looks like a LOT less Life nodes. GGG also said in return you get more life from leveling.

Before, ES was the to go if you wanted to get as many dmg nodes as possible. This might change a bit now, but let's see.

Ah yes ANOTHER life/ES rebalance... :/

I wonder if armor/evasion are being looked at too? (Seems unlikely considering they said they were mostly changing the top right part of the tree but you never know)


Well if there's going to be less life, i wonder if there will be more of an emphasis on mitigation instead.
http://www.twitch.tv/rebufferingg
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 31 2014 15:55 GMT
#15856
On August 01 2014 00:50 rebuffering wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 00:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 01 2014 00:36 HolydaKing wrote:
Looks like a LOT less Life nodes. GGG also said in return you get more life from leveling.

Before, ES was the to go if you wanted to get as many dmg nodes as possible. This might change a bit now, but let's see.

Ah yes ANOTHER life/ES rebalance... :/

I wonder if armor/evasion are being looked at too? (Seems unlikely considering they said they were mostly changing the top right part of the tree but you never know)


Well if there's going to be less life, i wonder if there will be more of an emphasis on mitigation instead.

I mean they've tried that one before...
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
July 31 2014 17:07 GMT
#15857
On August 01 2014 00:50 rebuffering wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 00:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 01 2014 00:36 HolydaKing wrote:
Looks like a LOT less Life nodes. GGG also said in return you get more life from leveling.

Before, ES was the to go if you wanted to get as many dmg nodes as possible. This might change a bit now, but let's see.

Ah yes ANOTHER life/ES rebalance... :/

I wonder if armor/evasion are being looked at too? (Seems unlikely considering they said they were mostly changing the top right part of the tree but you never know)


Well if there's going to be less life, i wonder if there will be more of an emphasis on mitigation instead.


I'd rather see them rework life leech/life regen mechanics.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 31 2014 17:09 GMT
#15858
On August 01 2014 02:07 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2014 00:50 rebuffering wrote:
On August 01 2014 00:40 Sn0_Man wrote:
On August 01 2014 00:36 HolydaKing wrote:
Looks like a LOT less Life nodes. GGG also said in return you get more life from leveling.

Before, ES was the to go if you wanted to get as many dmg nodes as possible. This might change a bit now, but let's see.

Ah yes ANOTHER life/ES rebalance... :/

I wonder if armor/evasion are being looked at too? (Seems unlikely considering they said they were mostly changing the top right part of the tree but you never know)

Well if there's going to be less life, i wonder if there will be more of an emphasis on mitigation instead.

I'd rather see them rework life leech/life regen mechanics.

I'm interested to hear what direction you feel the game should go with respect to leech/regen? Not that I think that they are perfect now or anything just that I don't particularly have a detailed and informed opinion on how to improve it.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1556 Posts
July 31 2014 17:24 GMT
#15859
This discussion has been going on since closed beta, at least. The more practical players said that the mechanic was fine as it seemed to work the way it was, but the more theoretical minds thought that having a heavy leech/regen based combat was ultimately flawed for the type of game PoE was for a few reasons:
- It makes desyncs very deadly instead of an annoyance, as fights are based on losing/leeching your entire lifebar several times per fight.
- It trivializes any content slightly below your power level as you simply can't die.
- It linked your killing power with your survivability in a very limiting way.
- It made maxHP way too valuable because of the double dip it gave your survivability through having both a higher max and a higher leech/regen through the same stat, and even damage mitigation through ailments resistance.

AFAIK, these predictions all came to pass, but GGG seems to be using a middle way of not breaking the game while gradually moving to the theoretically "correct" approach. FWIW, it seems Blizzard also came to this conclusion as they removed lifesteal% from the expansion.

With that said, I haven't played PoE in several months and I have no clue what's the current trend on the forums, but I'd be surprised if GGG reversed course on this.

On another note, crafting looks awesome. And I really miss races, but it's such a huge commitment if you want to perform decently :'(
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
July 31 2014 17:50 GMT
#15860
out of curiosity, did anyone hit max level in the most recent 4 month HC league?
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