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rebuffering
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2436 Posts
July 17 2014 12:04 GMT
#15721
On July 17 2014 16:43 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 08:23 rebuffering wrote:
Hey guys, do you think a Crit Trapper, with MoM keystone is possible? Tree

Mainly Fire Trap/prolif, maybe Bear Trap/culling for single target. Thoughts? I think it would sorda cheap too, most of the damage comes from nodes, so i dont need insane gear. At least thats my thinking, lemme know any thoughts!


Yes, yes and yes.

Played one at the start of Invasion. Don't use ConC-Effect/Prolif while leveling. You don't have enough crit chance then. It also kinda sucks if you aren't in a group because if you don't crit nothing happens at all.

Here is the tree I used: http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYA3nfVT_v1tDjlGYw2VUuksSaVbXvljp1jXfJw1XBSwFHjhA5IiGvuFRGWnao2Pbd1naN_xmKs53T8qxzcwcUnqdadYeLe9l76kyfxdohCWm3o1o_6frDcV_Idgh4kPCLqmyZJO9vnW7selNsLp1ybtaOKMgE2ezIYcFGsP0lRwzoF-bIZtKOm57MD2FTKSlYtFfDPem-8RisZhqx_-WM6WGHrUzFOm6xH3uUa2wR-elPuDocZI_ZW-u_w_MVaSGeg3Q2HdluvSn1OKhjbKaV08a1KhTJSr80m51Qk_dUA

I know the passage through the Evasion Wheel seems much better but it isn't. I have spend at least 10-15 hours on that tree, min maxing it. There is an alternative way that goes through the mid that is a bit better if you don't reach level 86+. If you reach level 90, this one is more efficient.


Man thanks alot for this, and also thanks to the others who took the time to comment. I backed off on the idea currently, as im lvl 52 with my EK build, but my next toon will be this, so something to look forward too if i die, lol hope not obviously. Thanks again guys, stay safe out there.

Curious what build your currently doing right now Miragee, if you dont mind me asking. Been mostly doing spellcasters lately, since ive always been a melee guy, its been alot of fun changing it up.
http://www.twitch.tv/rebufferingg
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
July 17 2014 13:19 GMT
#15722
On July 17 2014 17:37 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 16:59 Varanice wrote:
What do you think is required to make a trapper work?


Well, there isn't that ONE thing that makes a trapper work. There are some important things to notice

Life for HC (my build has 248% and I wouldn't go any less). Enough Crit Chance (Fire Trap has 4% base...), 30% should be good. Tons of Mana (Traps are ridiculously expensive, Lavianga's also helps a lot, especially when running MoM).

To be fair I think crit builds that build on such a low base chance (similar to Bow crit builds before the local mod on Harbinger Bows was introduced) are a generally awkward idea, especially when you give up scaling via ignite duration (bottom left, #1 node for fire dmg builds). Sure, it's a bit more effective but it also needs a LOT more gear to do its job properly.

"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 17:24:53
July 17 2014 17:23 GMT
#15723
On July 17 2014 22:19 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 17:37 Miragee wrote:
On July 17 2014 16:59 Varanice wrote:
What do you think is required to make a trapper work?


Well, there isn't that ONE thing that makes a trapper work. There are some important things to notice

Life for HC (my build has 248% and I wouldn't go any less). Enough Crit Chance (Fire Trap has 4% base...), 30% should be good. Tons of Mana (Traps are ridiculously expensive, Lavianga's also helps a lot, especially when running MoM).

To be fair I think crit builds that build on such a low base chance (similar to Bow crit builds before the local mod on Harbinger Bows was introduced) are a generally awkward idea, especially when you give up scaling via ignite duration (bottom left, #1 node for fire dmg builds). Sure, it's a bit more effective but it also needs a LOT more gear to do its job properly.



I think it's actually 5%, Lightning is 4%.

You don't really need the increased ignite duration IMO, everything dies in about half a second.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8661 Posts
July 17 2014 20:18 GMT
#15724
On July 17 2014 21:04 rebuffering wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 16:43 Miragee wrote:
On July 17 2014 08:23 rebuffering wrote:
Hey guys, do you think a Crit Trapper, with MoM keystone is possible? Tree

Mainly Fire Trap/prolif, maybe Bear Trap/culling for single target. Thoughts? I think it would sorda cheap too, most of the damage comes from nodes, so i dont need insane gear. At least thats my thinking, lemme know any thoughts!


Yes, yes and yes.

Played one at the start of Invasion. Don't use ConC-Effect/Prolif while leveling. You don't have enough crit chance then. It also kinda sucks if you aren't in a group because if you don't crit nothing happens at all.

Here is the tree I used: http://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgYA3nfVT_v1tDjlGYw2VUuksSaVbXvljp1jXfJw1XBSwFHjhA5IiGvuFRGWnao2Pbd1naN_xmKs53T8qxzcwcUnqdadYeLe9l76kyfxdohCWm3o1o_6frDcV_Idgh4kPCLqmyZJO9vnW7selNsLp1ybtaOKMgE2ezIYcFGsP0lRwzoF-bIZtKOm57MD2FTKSlYtFfDPem-8RisZhqx_-WM6WGHrUzFOm6xH3uUa2wR-elPuDocZI_ZW-u_w_MVaSGeg3Q2HdluvSn1OKhjbKaV08a1KhTJSr80m51Qk_dUA

I know the passage through the Evasion Wheel seems much better but it isn't. I have spend at least 10-15 hours on that tree, min maxing it. There is an alternative way that goes through the mid that is a bit better if you don't reach level 86+. If you reach level 90, this one is more efficient.


Man thanks alot for this, and also thanks to the others who took the time to comment. I backed off on the idea currently, as im lvl 52 with my EK build, but my next toon will be this, so something to look forward too if i die, lol hope not obviously. Thanks again guys, stay safe out there.

Curious what build your currently doing right now Miragee, if you dont mind me asking. Been mostly doing spellcasters lately, since ive always been a melee guy, its been alot of fun changing it up.


I don't play the one month atm. I was in exams when it started and also wanted to reach the 600 points (I somehow managed the miracle to do both, lol). Now my friends are already in maps and I don't really have the motivation to power to map-level on my own. I think I take a bit time off until the next four month leagues (also, Chris said on the latest podcast that they are thinking about 3 month leagues and doing 6 month expansion cycles with 2x 3month leagues, but they aren't sure about this yet). Dunno what I will be playing then but it will probably be a caster because I never really played one seriously.


On July 18 2014 02:23 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 22:19 r.Evo wrote:
On July 17 2014 17:37 Miragee wrote:
On July 17 2014 16:59 Varanice wrote:
What do you think is required to make a trapper work?


Well, there isn't that ONE thing that makes a trapper work. There are some important things to notice

Life for HC (my build has 248% and I wouldn't go any less). Enough Crit Chance (Fire Trap has 4% base...), 30% should be good. Tons of Mana (Traps are ridiculously expensive, Lavianga's also helps a lot, especially when running MoM).

To be fair I think crit builds that build on such a low base chance (similar to Bow crit builds before the local mod on Harbinger Bows was introduced) are a generally awkward idea, especially when you give up scaling via ignite duration (bottom left, #1 node for fire dmg builds). Sure, it's a bit more effective but it also needs a LOT more gear to do its job properly.



I think it's actually 5%, Lightning is 4%.

You don't really need the increased ignite duration IMO, everything dies in about half a second.


You are correct. Fire Trap is 5% base crit, sorry for that. : / And I agree, you don't need Ignite Duration increase. I remember that I could already one shot rares (including the burning ofc.) in my 3 man party when my dmg was still very low compared to the endgame build.
FalconHoof
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada183 Posts
July 18 2014 01:51 GMT
#15725
Rip'd again. This time to horrendous desync. Had just gotten to Merc, was capped resists, 3k HP. Zoned into lower submerged after killing the dweller. I didnt even whirling blades or lightning warp or anything, was just horrible luck. Almost 2 full screens out of sync. Sigh, taking a short hiatus.
Masturbation this good deserves it's own foreplay.
rebuffering
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2436 Posts
July 18 2014 04:12 GMT
#15726
On July 18 2014 10:51 MaRCsoN wrote:
Rip'd again. This time to horrendous desync. Had just gotten to Merc, was capped resists, 3k HP. Zoned into lower submerged after killing the dweller. I didnt even whirling blades or lightning warp or anything, was just horrible luck. Almost 2 full screens out of sync. Sigh, taking a short hiatus.


You leave me alone, yet again my son....Will we ever get to map together again? Clear your mind, and come back stronger.
http://www.twitch.tv/rebufferingg
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
July 18 2014 04:14 GMT
#15727
Who could have guessed that Ambush is harder than Invasion. Those boxes are the perfect bait ^_^
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
rebuffering
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2436 Posts
July 18 2014 04:36 GMT
#15728
On July 18 2014 13:14 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Who could have guessed that Ambush is harder than Invasion. Those boxes are the perfect bait ^_^


Frankly ive been using lightning warp on everybox i come by, and never had a problem, unless it was some insane exile since my resists are subpar right now. I feel overall im having way more fun with strongboxes than dealing with invaders, i dont need to reset instances, and your not forced to do a strongbox you think is dangerous either, so its a matter of choice.

Managed to get lvl 52 in 1 day yesterday, so im pretty happy to be back in merc, gunna play it really safe here on out lol. Id rather not die a 3rd time!
http://www.twitch.tv/rebufferingg
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
July 18 2014 04:58 GMT
#15729
On July 18 2014 13:36 rebuffering wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 13:14 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Who could have guessed that Ambush is harder than Invasion. Those boxes are the perfect bait ^_^


Frankly ive been using lightning warp on everybox i come by, and never had a problem, unless it was some insane exile since my resists are subpar right now. I feel overall im having way more fun with strongboxes than dealing with invaders, i dont need to reset instances, and your not forced to do a strongbox you think is dangerous either, so its a matter of choice.

Managed to get lvl 52 in 1 day yesterday, so im pretty happy to be back in merc, gunna play it really safe here on out lol. Id rather not die a 3rd time!


Speak for yourself. It's so juicy you just have to open it.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
rebuffering
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2436 Posts
July 18 2014 06:29 GMT
#15730
On July 18 2014 13:58 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 13:36 rebuffering wrote:
On July 18 2014 13:14 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Who could have guessed that Ambush is harder than Invasion. Those boxes are the perfect bait ^_^


Frankly ive been using lightning warp on everybox i come by, and never had a problem, unless it was some insane exile since my resists are subpar right now. I feel overall im having way more fun with strongboxes than dealing with invaders, i dont need to reset instances, and your not forced to do a strongbox you think is dangerous either, so its a matter of choice.

Managed to get lvl 52 in 1 day yesterday, so im pretty happy to be back in merc, gunna play it really safe here on out lol. Id rather not die a 3rd time!


Speak for yourself. It's so juicy you just have to open it.


Lol this is true, i have yet to skip a strongbox, must do them all!
http://www.twitch.tv/rebufferingg
Smuft
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
Canada318 Posts
July 18 2014 07:30 GMT
#15731
when does the next league start? approx
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8661 Posts
July 18 2014 07:34 GMT
#15732
On July 18 2014 16:30 Smuft wrote:
when does the next league start? approx


Beginning/Mid of august I believe.
rebuffering
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2436 Posts
July 18 2014 14:50 GMT
#15733
LOL!! http://www.twitch.tv/manocean/c/4689778 craziest pk ive ever seen lol, Double Kill!
http://www.twitch.tv/rebufferingg
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
July 18 2014 15:02 GMT
#15734
Honestly, Ambush with strongboxes was the best mod they have invented to date. Especially Cartographer's boxes are almost mandatory if you want to play high lvl maps (are mandatory if you play solo and dont have crazy luck).

I feel like there is no way the next 4 month will be as good.
Cynry
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
810 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-18 15:38:02
July 18 2014 15:37 GMT
#15735
On July 19 2014 00:02 HolydaKing wrote:
Honestly, Ambush with strongboxes was the best mod they have invented to date. Especially Cartographer's boxes are almost mandatory if you want to play high lvl maps (are mandatory if you play solo and dont have crazy luck).

I feel like there is no way the next 4 month will be as good.

Well, strongboxes are going to the standard game now, so shouldn't that mean that they are in the next leagues ? A tone down version, but still...
rebuffering
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2436 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-18 18:02:22
July 18 2014 17:36 GMT
#15736
Just watched my buddy die, we were doin some merc docks, and decided to open a box. I felt very bad for him lol as you can tell by my voice/tone (im the one freaking out lol). Here's the clip, the flameblast Exile is fucking nuts. Hamston Dies.
http://www.twitch.tv/rebufferingg
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8661 Posts
July 18 2014 20:05 GMT
#15737
On July 18 2014 23:50 rebuffering wrote:
LOL!! http://www.twitch.tv/manocean/c/4689778 craziest pk ive ever seen lol, Double Kill!


lol, I don't really understand what happened. Too much clutter. Where came the poison cloud from?
rebuffering
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2436 Posts
July 18 2014 20:11 GMT
#15738
On July 19 2014 05:05 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2014 23:50 rebuffering wrote:
LOL!! http://www.twitch.tv/manocean/c/4689778 craziest pk ive ever seen lol, Double Kill!


lol, I don't really understand what happened. Too much clutter. Where came the poison cloud from?


Raiz had dominated some zombies, they expired and released the cloud. Im pretty sure thats what happened anyways.
http://www.twitch.tv/rebufferingg
Varanice
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1517 Posts
July 18 2014 22:36 GMT
#15739
On July 19 2014 02:36 rebuffering wrote:
Just watched my buddy die, we were doin some merc docks, and decided to open a box. I felt very bad for him lol as you can tell by my voice/tone (im the one freaking out lol). Here's the clip, the flameblast Exile is fucking nuts. Hamston Dies.

Ask anyone that races, the flameblast exile is insane, if you're inside of it you just log immediately.
www.twitch.tv/varanice
LagLovah
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada552 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-19 00:02:08
July 19 2014 00:01 GMT
#15740
On July 18 2014 13:14 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Who could have guessed that Ambush is harder than Invasion. Those boxes are the perfect bait ^_^


Boxes are not more dangerous than invaders :| There are only 1 or 2 mods that are scary, and if you use smokemine you are pretty safe.

Only time I have ever had issues is if I am being stupid, and walk up to corpses on a detonate box or something. Having the right flask effects is key.

Some invaders with certain builds are complete roadblocks, if you get the wrong one in like, first room in a map, thats it, your leaving that map, you just can't do it.

Finally found my first cartographers today, +5 levels mirrored %quant, thought, oh that should be good, only end up with 6 maps oh well, at least they were 73s from a 69 map


and ya, that flameblast exile, is still massively overtuned, even a 3 stack from it can nearly 1 shot you, your friend look like he took a full 10stack
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