EPTIt seems like I either farm too long, or not long enough in Ledge, struggling to find the perfect balance, this was definately one of the "too short" examples because my Brutus fight took way too long and thats where I lost a lot of ground, and had to farm Coves a little bit more than I would have liked too. (Tar zombies give good xp, but their death tar is obviously bad for racing.)
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Varanice
United States1517 Posts
It seems like I either farm too long, or not long enough in Ledge, struggling to find the perfect balance, this was definately one of the "too short" examples because my Brutus fight took way too long and thats where I lost a lot of ground, and had to farm Coves a little bit more than I would have liked too. (Tar zombies give good xp, but their death tar is obviously bad for racing.) | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
Then i found a Double Axe with +76% physical dmg and +5-9 physical. Lol that thing doubled my DPS. Was too late though. Still #18 overall and 5th Mara with lvl 28 in the end. I could've easily gone Docks, but no time.  Or wait, dead ppl don't count i think, so i was a bit better. #4 Mara. | ||
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SlixSC
666 Posts
Races like this one make me want to quit this game, I have never seen anyone get more RNG fucked than I just did in this race, not even close. Running around with garbage blue items at lvl 22, no alchs or transmutes or anything else for that matter is just infuriating. I know this is really whiny, but I wish I had more luck in races it's just off-putting. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
 No chance vs Goratha though, that guy even cleared Dread Thicket and still was 2 levels ahead :/Act 1 was pretty bad for me, i was running with a bad driftwood maul for a too long time. Early Act2 was great though, i transmuted a weapon so that it did like 30-80 dmg. My last weapon was barely enough, nothing great. | ||
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SlixSC
666 Posts
Turbo brutus is pretty much a lottery, if your lucky he doesn't desync and you get to move on, if you are not he desyncs and you die out of absolutely nowhere. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On July 08 2013 02:30 SlixSC wrote: Died at position 21 overall at Brutus. Is it just me or is turbo brutus absurdly laggy? Like you evade his hits and they still hit you across the room. I honestly don't even know how to kill him without dying to some random desync. I mean think about it, Witch relies on spells, so you have to outmaneuvre him really hard, but once he desyncs you pretty much just drop dead. Turbo brutus is pretty much a lottery, if your lucky he doesn't desync and you get to move on, if you are not he desyncs and you die out of absolutely nowhere. Gotta spam that oos macro | ||
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SlixSC
666 Posts
Even so, playing Witch he pretty much one shots you, so if you are across the room and he ground slams you basically just drop dead if you are desynced. When you look at the current race and go to lvl 9-10, you pretty much see 50% of all witches die there because he desyncs for almost everybody and the class that really gets screwed over by this is Witch because they can be potentially one-shotted most likely. Having talked to other racers who play witch this seems pretty much like a universal problem, the worst race class to begin with getting screwed over by the turbo brutus even harder. Absolutely ridiculous. I was second witch top 20 overall and roughly 50% of the witches behind me also died to one shot brutus desync. /oos macro really doesnt help when you get oneshotted and only noticed he was desynced right after he killed you. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On July 08 2013 02:53 SlixSC wrote: Even so, playing Witch he pretty much one shots you, so if you are across the room and he ground slams you basically just drop dead if you are desynced. When you look at the current race and go to lvl 9-10, you pretty much see 50% of all witches die there because he desyncs for almost everybody and the class that really gets screwed over by this is Witch because they can be potentially one-shotted most likely. Having talked to other racers who play witch this seems pretty much like a universal problem, the worst race class to begin with getting screwed over by the turbo brutus even harder. Absolutely ridiculous. I was second witch top 20 overall and roughly 50% of the witches behind me also died to one shot brutus desync. /oos macro really doesnt help when you get oneshotted and only noticed he was desynced right after he killed you. Spamming the oos macro means you set up a keybind and press it throughout the fight; dying to Turbo Brutus is hardly a witch problem either. If you look at the ranking around the level 9-10 region half the players are dead and it isn't just a certain class. | ||
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lifecanwait
96 Posts
On July 08 2013 02:53 SlixSC wrote: Even so, playing Witch he pretty much one shots you, so if you are across the room and he ground slams you basically just drop dead if you are desynced. When you look at the current race and go to lvl 9-10, you pretty much see 50% of all witches die there because he desyncs for almost everybody and the class that really gets screwed over by this is Witch because they can be potentially one-shotted most likely. Having talked to other racers who play witch this seems pretty much like a universal problem, the worst race class to begin with getting screwed over by the turbo brutus even harder. Absolutely ridiculous. I was second witch top 20 overall and roughly 50% of the witches behind me also died to one shot brutus desync. /oos macro really doesnt help when you get oneshotted and only noticed he was desynced right after he killed you. okay cool story bro. And that's why you playing witch heh? It's like trying to play soccer with a medicine ball of huge weight. It's possible, but it's not fun and you can hurt yourself. Why do we do this when there are so many differenct characters? You gotta be smart. | ||
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SlixSC
666 Posts
On July 08 2013 03:02 lifecanwait wrote: okay cool story bro. And that's why you playing witch heh? It's like trying to play soccer with a medicine ball of huge weight. It's possible, but it's not fun and you can hurt yourself. Why do we do this when there are so many differenct characters? You gotta be smart. Witches to me are by far the most fun to play, I don't play classes based on how strong they are but rather how much fun it is playing them. I mean your post just doesn't make sense. Are you saying people should only play the strongest classes regardless of how much they enjoy them? That doesn't seem like a very diverse game, which PoE claims to be. I mean I played Duelist in a 90 min party race and placed top 50 overall going solo. So skill isn't the problem, I just find marauder/Templar/duelist extremely boring. On July 08 2013 03:00 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Spamming the oos macro means you set up a keybind and press it throughout the fight; dying to Turbo Brutus is hardly a witch problem either. If you look at the ranking around the level 9-10 region half the players are dead and it isn't just a certain class. You don't understand. If you are desynced and you type /oos (or macro spam it) you get moved back to where the game thinks you are. Now if you are desynced and the game thinks you are standing right in front of Brutus, typing /oos just puts you there and you will still get one-shotted. You should really try a Turbo race, he pretty much desyncs every second and for you to spam /oos all that time, while also trying to cast spells and try to evade his attacks is next to impossible. There is so much luck involved in Turbo brutus fights it's ludicrous. And the fact that 50% of all players die to this bullshit proves my point. It's a universal problem and I would argue that it sucks most for Witches (mainly because they have the slowest attack speed on their single target and less life than other classes - makes sense don't you think?) | ||
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Pwere
Canada1557 Posts
You can usually /oos from behind the wall and try to get into the perfect spot again, but it's still a huge gamble. | ||
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SlixSC
666 Posts
On July 08 2013 03:51 Pwere wrote: Even in Onslaught, Brutus desyncs a lot, and that's only 20% speed. You pretty much have to find an horizontal lane and sidestep, fire once, sidestep, fire, etc. But sometimes you sidestep and he won't attack on your screen. Then you run behind a wall (because going back is suicide), so he starts running and the guessing game begins. You can usually /oos from behind the wall and try to get into the perfect spot again, but it's still a huge gamble. Yeah absolutely, that's what I tried to do and I had him down to 25% health, when all of a sudden I got one shot through the wall by his ground slam. I was less than half a level behind first witch and really close to top 10, so it was extremely frustrating. Especially since my gear and dps was extremely good, I think I could have placed top 20 overall with no problem at all. I had two +spell damage rares (sceptre and shield) a rare chest with max life and dual res and movement speed boots. :/ | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On July 08 2013 03:07 SlixSC wrote: Witches to me are by far the most fun to play, I don't play classes based on how strong they are but rather how much fun it is playing them. I mean your post just doesn't make sense. Are you saying people should only play the strongest classes regardless of how much they enjoy them? That doesn't seem like a very diverse game, which PoE claims to be. I mean I played Duelist in a 90 min party race and placed top 50 overall going solo. So skill isn't the problem, I just find marauder/Templar/duelist extremely boring. You don't understand. If you are desynced and you type /oos (or macro spam it) you get moved back to where the game thinks you are. Now if you are desynced and the game thinks you are standing right in front of Brutus, typing /oos just puts you there and you will still get one-shotted. You should really try a Turbo race, he pretty much desyncs every second and for you to spam /oos all that time, while also trying to cast spells and try to evade his attacks is next to impossible. There is so much luck involved in Turbo brutus fights it's ludicrous. And the fact that 50% of all players die to this bullshit proves my point. It's a universal problem and I would argue that it sucks most for Witches (mainly because they have the slowest attack speed on their single target and less life than other classes - makes sense don't you think?) I understand that the top racers consistently beat Brutus by some means; maybe they just have special servers since they're the top racers that don't desync. That isn't to say they never die to desyncs, but half the playerbase isn't dying to Brutus because of desyncs and if you believe this and continually die to it then I'd argue that you are blinded by ignorance. While not foolproof there are ways to deal with Brutus. oos macro isn't going to save you 100% of the time, but if you aren't using it on a point of the game that desyncs the hardest then I'd consider you an idiot for complaining after you die. It will help. Maybe it's a universal problem because the masses are content with crying about it instead of taking steps to increase their odds significantly. | ||
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Pwere
Canada1557 Posts
But then again, some days you can run through packs of mobs in a tight corridor and you get in just fine. I think the devs are having a lot of trouble solving this issue because it's just so random. On a bad day, no amount of /oos can save you. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people complaining about desyncs are on a bad desync day more often than not. Normal desyncs simply aren't that big a deal. In the meantime, they could have taken steps to lessen the difficulty caused by desyncs. Nerf Brutus/chargers until they're playable, or at least remove the walls from Brutus' room. Suicide mobs are also fake difficulty caused by desyncs. I think they expected to have this issue under control much faster, but now they realize that the net is pretty complex. It's no wonder D3 removed stun, slows and reduced monster blockzones to a minimum. It's the easy solution, but they couldn't afford desyncs (with their crappy customer support). | ||
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SlixSC
666 Posts
On July 08 2013 04:12 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: I understand that the top racers consistently beat Brutus by some means; maybe they just have special servers since they're the top racers that don't desync. That isn't to say they never die to desyncs, but half the playerbase isn't dying to Brutus because of desyncs and if you believe this and continually die to it then I'd argue that you are blinded by ignorance. While not foolproof there are ways to deal with Brutus. oos macro isn't going to save you 100% of the time, but if you aren't using it on a point of the game that desyncs the hardest then I'd consider you an idiot for complaining after you die. It will help. Maybe it's a universal problem because the masses are content with crying about it instead of taking steps to increase their odds significantly. I use an oos macro (bound to F2) the problem is that it doesn't help with turbo brutus if your class gets one shotted by his ground slam. You can oos all you want, if you are just slightly out of sync for a second you die and nothing in this world can save you. I don't really know why someone like kripp or nugi has alot less desync issues than your average joe. But that doesn't mean that everyone who dies to desync is an idiot or bad at the game. If you don't have first hand experience with turbo brutus (which I honestly doubt) or are one of the top 100 racers why would you even comment on that issue? I can play all classes and place 50-100 and top 20 on a good day, so thank you for implying that I'm bad, even though that's a relative term and I'm probably better than 99% of the playerbase, realistically speaking. pwere already pointed this out, but brutus already desyncs pretty hard in onslaught and that is "only" 20%, turbo races, my friend, are 60% increased movement and attack speed. Now I want you to play the next turbo race and try oos all you want, preferably with a witch and you will notice that all it takes is one desync for less than a second and you will drop dead. I definitely agree with pwere that exploding mobs and such should be taken out of the game until desync is somewhat fixed. At this point there is a certain luck factor involved and I think many people (myself included) would be doing much better in races if they had the same stability in connection like some of the top racers have. Last descent I had 6-7 desyncs. watching Bob's stream he had 2 minor desyncs, Helman didn't even desync once. You think that's fair? And it definitely isn't my connection either, I have 60mb down/20mb up and very stable (no problems in any other games, be it a shooter, sc2, etc..) but in PoE shit goes to hell, random desyncs every now and then, talking to some of my american friends they are having desync issues aswell. I honestly don't know why some top racers are less effected by this, but it definitely is not a fair competition when half of your players base is desyncing all over the place while everyone else is completely unaffected by it. | ||
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
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SlixSC
666 Posts
On July 08 2013 05:32 Monsen wrote: When watching Kripp I notice that he sometimes realizes when he's desynced (and reacts accordingly) even when I can't see a fucking difference. Maybe there's some trick to be learned there? I watch his stream pretty much everyday and his reaction is no different to my own. The only difference is that his desyncs happen about 10x less frequently and they are alot less severe. I'm not even kidding. I have many clanmates who share this experience with me, so I doub I'm just having delusions. There definitely are some players who get hit alot less frequently by ridiculous desync, why I don't know. | ||
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
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101toss
3232 Posts
just spent around 60 jews and 3 fuse to 6L my searing touch. wtf rng, and thanks chris | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
On July 08 2013 05:41 SlixSC wrote: I watch his stream pretty much everyday and his reaction is no different to my own. The only difference is that his desyncs happen about 10x less frequently and they are alot less severe. I'm not even kidding. I have many clanmates who share this experience with me, so I doub I'm just having delusions. There definitely are some players who get hit alot less frequently by ridiculous desync, why I don't know. distance from the server maby? | ||
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